Bring Isiah Thomas to work with Dame and CJ?

[Mediocre Man]

Hiring Isiah Thomas is the worst thing a basketball team can do

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Yeah, let's bring this guy in and let him ruin our team, too. He's had such overwhelming success everywere else he's been, right?

BNM

No one saying he should take over a leadership role. Way to take this way OT. Maybe teach our fucking backcourt how to play below average defense instead of league worst

 

[Boob-No-More]

No one saying he should take over a leadership role. Way to take this way OT. Maybe teach our fucking backcourt how to play below average defense instead of league worst

Overreact much?

If you took the time to read the actual quotes, you would have seen three examples where he failed miserably as a coach; two in the NBA and one at the college level. He can't teach anyone shit. That's why he's no longer coaching.

Yet, you think he's the answer to teaching our guards how to play better defense? OK, if you say so.

BNM

 

[Mediocre Man]

Overreact much?

If you took the time to read the actual quotes, you would have seen three examples where he failed miserably as a coach; two in the NBA and one at the college level. He can't teach anyone shit. That's why he's no longer coaching.

Yet, you think he's the answer to teaching our guards how to play better defense? OK, if you say so.

BNM

The answer? No. May help? Sure.

 

[Boob-No-More]

The answer? No. May help? Sure.

Highly unlikely. He's simply not a good coach/teacher. He failed, and failed miserably, everywhere he's tried to coach. And, that was the point of my original post in this thread.

There has to be better options.

BNM

 

[Mediocre Man]

Overreact much?

If you took the time to read the actual quotes, you would have seen three examples where he failed miserably as a coach; two in the NBA and one at the college level. He can't teach anyone shit. That's why he's no longer coaching.

Yet, you think he's the answer to teaching our guards how to play better defense? OK, if you say so.

BNM

You mentioned the Pacers virtual same team, but they lost all star Dale Davis and Rik Smitts, among others. So absolutely not the same

 

[Mediocre Man]

Highly unlikely. He's simply not a good coach/teacher. He failed, and failed miserably, everywhere he's tried to coach. And, that was the point of my original post in this thread.

There has to be better options.

BNM

Sure, but it wouldn't hurt

 

[Boob-No-More]

Sure, but it wouldn't hurt

I disagree. Working with a bad teacher can cause students to lose interest in learning. Why waste your time and energy working with someone who is a proven failure when there are better alternatives available?

BNM

 

[Mediocre Man]

I disagree. Working with a bad teacher can cause students to lose interest in learning. Why waste your time and energy working with someone who is a proven failure when there are better alternatives available?

BNM

No evidence he is a bad teacher. Bad recruiter? Sure. Bad talent evaluator? Sure. Bad head coach? Ok. Not all great teachers ofvthe game make good head coaches. In Indiana, his teams got better each year, after Bird tore it apart

 

[Boob-No-More]

No evidence he is a bad teacher. Bad recruiter? Sure. Bad talent evaluator? Sure. Bad head coach? Ok. Not all great teachers ofvthe game make good head coaches. In Indiana, his teams got better each year, after Bird tore it apart

Actually, he was a very good recruiter at FIU. That was the one thing he did well. His name recognition opened doors and was the main reason they hired him. He landed some top blue chip prospects, and then coached them to losing records.

BNM

 

[Mediocre Man]

Actually, he was a very good recruiter at FIU. That was the one thing he did well. His name recognition opened doors and was the main reason they hired him. He landed some top blue chip prospects, and then coached them to losing records.

BNM

Even if true, thats scheme, not teaching. As a coach, there is obviously teaching involoved, but assistants do most of the one on one teaching. Which is what we are talking about.

You don't want a good defensive HOF pg to give our shitty defensive back court any pointers for a few hours, and I can't see the harm. If he sucks as much as you "know" he will, they go from bottom 5 defender to what, bottom 4?

 

[julius]

Hopefully CJ and Damian look at their stats (and a 2nd straight all star snub for Damian) and take this summer to work on their defense, because it is actually just learning tricks and not some magic athletic skillset that they don't have.

While the rules in the NBA has changed a bit (hand checking, etc) giving the advantage to the offensive player, that isn't why CJ and Damian are both sub par defenders (nor why the team as a whole is).

I would gladly give up some of Damians offense for improved defense.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Even if true, thats scheme, not teaching. As a coach, there is obviously teaching involoved, but assistants do most of the one on one teaching. Which is what we are talking about.

You don't want a good defensive HOF pg to give our shitty defensive back court any pointers for a few hours, and I can't see the harm. If he sucks as much as you "know" he will, they go from bottom 5 defender to what, bottom 4?

I never said I didn't want a good defensive HOF PG to work with our guys. Just not this one. Why waste your time with Zeke when there are better options available?

BNM

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm reminded in this conversation of all the "bring in Hakeem/McHale to teach LaMarcus and our bigs how to score!" talk. In principle I'm ok with it, and there's a time when those guys (at least Hakeem) has done it, but I think you have to make sure said coach WANTS to be a skills-teaching assistant.

Similar to GP's quote above--he's not teaching anyone where to put their hands or how to improve footwork--I'd wonder how it would work.

But I'm not averse, I guess.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I never said I didn't want a good defensive HOF PG to work with our guys. Just not this one. Why waste your time with Zeke when there are better options available?

BNM

I think you take all the help you can get

 

[Natebishop3]

Defense in the NBA to me has always seemed to be about two things:

1. Effort/energy/motor

Sure, things like anticipation and stance and hand positioning is all important, but if you don't put in effort and energy, your defense will be weak. It takes a lot of energy to be a good defender, which is why someone like Dame is probably lazy on the other end. He exerts a lot of energy on offense so I think he slacks on defense to compensate.

2. The refs

Someone like Chris Paul can get away with highway fucking robbery because he's seen as a "good" defender. Seriously, I watched him in the playoffs and the reason why he's such a "good" defender is because he mugs people. He slaps and holds and bodies. For anyone else that would be a foul.