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crandc said:
I can't help thinking if it was some clean cut straight white dude we would not hear blame the victim.
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That person would have gotten zero media coverage and nobody would give a shit if he was locked in the gulag. He'd still be there. She only got the coverage that she got BECAUSE she's a black lesbian basketball player.
 
RR7 said:
How dangerous is he currently, really? Is the thought he just jumps right back in and starts arms dealing? Still has all of his connections, nobody's taken his spot over the last 10 years?
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I think this all depends on why Russia wants him, but to me he's dangerous because he did it before and showed zero issues with giving weapons to bad people on a very large scale. It might take time, but if he wants get back into the business I'm sure he can.
 
If this was Dame and not her, would I want him to get out? Sure. I have a vested interest because I have spent the last 10 years watching Dame and we know a lot about him as a person. I haven't watched much of her. Would I want us to trade a dangerous criminal for him? Probably not.
 
We know that Black lesbians are really running this country ... just no one knows it.
Jesus.
 
crandc said:
We know that Black lesbians are really running this country ... just no one knows it.
Jesus.
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Come on now... you're not this naive. She's a relatively famous black gay WNBA player. They put her wife on television. They have kept her in the news for almost a year. Do you think anyone regular person would get this kind of attention?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Come on now... you're not this naive. She's a relatively famous black gay WNBA player. They put her wife on television. They have kept her in the news for almost a year. Do you think anyone regular person would get this kind of attention?
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I am not comparing her to an unknown person. My comparison was, if she was a clean cut straight white male athlete, would there even be debate over getting him released?
Isn't the release of an American hostage something to celebrate, not condemn?
 
crandc said:
I am not comparing her to an unknown person. My comparison was, if she was a clean cut straight white male athlete, would there even be debate over getting him released?
Isn't the release of an American hostage something to celebrate, not condemn?
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Actually Paul Whelan is a clean cut straight white ex marine so yes...there is quite a debate about getting him released but only because his celebrity pales in comparison to Brittany's....for whatever reason.....your point has been disproven as she's the one who's gone free and got a deal, not the other guy but you're absolutely right about having cause to celebrate....I just hope it translates to fair treatment for non celebrities jailed for cannabis around the world.
 
crandc said:
I am not comparing her to an unknown person. My comparison was, if she was a clean cut straight white male athlete, would there even be debate over getting him released?
Isn't the release of an American hostage something to celebrate, not condemn?
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It was a trade. It's not that simple. She wasn't simply released.

And no. I don't agree. Give me an example of a clean cut straight white male athlete who, if they were in a similar predicament, would have even gotten this much coverage or been released in the first place?
 
riverman said:
Actually Paul Whelan is a clean cut straight white ex marine so yes...there is quite a debate about getting him released but only because his celebrity pales in comparison to Brittany's....for whatever reason.....your point has been disproven as she's the one who's gone free and got a deal, not the other guy but you're absolutely right about having cause to celebrate....I just hope it translates to fair treatment for non celebrities jailed for cannabis around the world.
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To me it makes sense for the government to get involved in Paul Whelan's case. Either he's actually a spy, in which case the government has an interest, and responsibility for him being there, or he's not a spy, in which case he's a innocent American being mistreated by a foreign government.

Do we exchange prisoners for every American who gets busted for drugs overseas? I haven't done the research but I'm pretty sure the answer is no.

barfo
 
Shogun X said:
You serve time in prison for crimes in the past, not crimes in the future. Who cares if someone "took his place". He did terrible things and was put in jail.
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Yep. But now we needed to get Griner out. So that’s the price we pay. I don’t care if he’s out after 13 years or whatever. He did time. Let him go back to Russia. It’s not gonna make Russia any scarier than they are.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That person would have gotten zero media coverage and nobody would give a shit if he was locked in the gulag. He'd still be there. She only got the coverage that she got BECAUSE she's a black lesbian basketball player.
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Disagree. I'd feel the exact same if it were Sabrina Ionescu or your middle aged neighbor lady.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Come on now... you're not this naive. She's a relatively famous black gay WNBA player. They put her wife on television. They have kept her in the news for almost a year. Do you think anyone regular person would get this kind of attention?
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I would hope any American would. Hell, we sent an ex president to personally negotiate the release of journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee from North Korea...
 
Natebishop3 said:
It was a trade. It's not that simple. She wasn't simply released.

And no. I don't agree. Give me an example of a clean cut straight white male athlete who, if they were in a similar predicament, would have even gotten this much coverage or been released in the first place?
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I'm confused, are you asking us to speculate on a white athlete that would have gotten this attention to be released? If so, take any high profile white athlete, and it would likely have gotten MORE coverage. Imagine Tom Brady locked up in Russia for 9 years because of a vape pen. You think that's not getting more attention?
 
RR7 said:
I'm confused, are you asking us to speculate on a white athlete that would have gotten this attention to be released? If so, take any high profile white athlete, and it would likely have gotten MORE coverage. Imagine Tom Brady locked up in Russia for 9 years because of a vape pen. You think that's not getting more attention?
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So your example of a straight white mail athlete is Tom Brady, arguably the greatest football player of all time and has been a household name for 20+ years. Yup. It would totally be his sexual orientation, race, and gender that would get more more attention and not the fact that he’s Tom Brady.

I would wager that most people had never heard of Brittney Griner before this happened.

If some low level golfer from the PGA was arrested in Russia do you think anyone would give a rats ass? Cran is basically saying that if Griner was a straight white male athlete nobody would be debating her release. I’m saying that a comparably famous straight white male athlete wouldn’t have stayed in the news for a year and nobody would have cared.
 
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I do think even a mid level NBA player hostage in Russia would be top story on ESPN every day.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It was a trade. It's not that simple. She wasn't simply released.

And no. I don't agree. Give me an example of a clean cut straight white male athlete who, if they were in a similar predicament, would have even gotten this much coverage or been released in the first place?
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The only reason she was detained was because of she was all the things a bully like Putin wants to attack, tall, black, gay female athlete. Arguing that this is the only reason she was released just plays into his sick games, imho. she was wrongly detained for the publicity it created and to make a little man feel big and we should celebrate this small win, even if there are others that suffer in his hands.
 
FFS. An American hostage in Russia is free. Can you at least pretend to be happy?
 
All those Republicans and right wing media blasting President Biden for "only" freeing Griner and not Paul Whelan. Your god emperor Trump had three fucking years to get Whelan out of Russia. What did he do?

Oh yeah. Nothing.
 
crandc said:
FFS. An American hostage in Russia is free. Can you at least pretend to be happy?
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She was traded for a dangerous man, who has indirectly caused the deaths of countless people and could very easily cause the deaths of more. It's bitter sweet. Sorry that's not good enough for you.
 
If you know any nice Russians she could have been traded for, let me know.
 
The scientific theory of why some Americans didn't want Brittney Griner to come home from a Russian prison (msn.com)

Some people are considered deserving. Others are not.
There are those who think it was OK to leave her to rot and die in a Russian prison because they categorize Black people as drug users and criminals. White women are victims (sometimes anyway), Black women are bad girls.
People who protest on the left don't deserve the protection of their country. But those who storm the capitol and violently assault trans people are heroes who should face no consequences.
 
crandc said:
The scientific theory of why some Americans didn't want Brittney Griner to come home from a Russian prison (msn.com)

Some people are considered deserving. Others are not.
There are those who think it was OK to leave her to rot and die in a Russian prison because they categorize Black people as drug users and criminals. White women are victims (sometimes anyway), Black women are bad girls.
People who protest on the left don't deserve the protection of their country. But those who storm the capitol and violently assault trans people are heroes who should face no consequences.
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Who exactly are you talking to?
 
crandc said:
Anyone
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For me race, gender, gay/straight... none of that matters.

She shouldn't have been there. War was days away. Anyone going to Russia in that time was an oblivious moron who was putting their safety at risk. I would have a hard time feeling sorry for anyone who decided to travel to Russia at that time.

She broke the law and she could have been arrested for that same crime here in the US. Whether I agree with that law or not, she broke their laws.

You keep calling her a hostage, but they didn't snatch her off the street in the US and take her to Russia. She broke their laws and she was detained and arrested at their airport. Whether you agree with that or not, when we travel to other countries we are required to abide by their laws. If you don't like that, don't travel to those countries. I personally avoid countries where I'm concerned about corrupt police. I personally would not take my family to the middle east because of their laws against women. It's not worth the risk.

So with all that said, she was traded for a bad person who I believe can still be a risk to the safety of the world. So no, I'm not celebrating her release. I'm happy for her family. I think being in a Russian prison is probably a horrible experience, but there's an easy solution...... don't go to Russia.
 
It's perfectly ok to have the competing thoughts that I'm glad an American is home safe from a Russian prison, even if I'm not a fan of hers AND still not be happy we gave up one of the shittiest people on earth and have a former Marine and another school teacher left over there. I could care less what gender/race any of them are, if they are American citizens than they need to be home and it doesn't matter who the president is that makes it happen.
 
Again I ask, should she have been left to die?
 
Maybe not reasonable people but it is a position some people have taken. And when I hear this exchange, as of now the only way to get her out, was a bad thing, yeah, maybe she should have been left. After all, it's her fault.
 
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