Brooklyn Nets Dame Trade Ideas and Rumors

[Ed O]

No, nor did I say that. I was simply saying I would not count on Phoenix being crappy that far in the future is just a guess. I am more interested in the young players we know about. But of course, I would still take those picks.

You inserted yourself into a conversation and are changing what we were talking about.

I was responding to this: "Always cracks me up when people think 1st rounders from great teams are a haul. We want unprotected picks from crappy teams."

I was not responding to "We want young players instead of draft picks from good teams."

It's cool that you have the latter opinion but you didn't indicate that at all and I'm not a mind reader.

 

[Idog1976]

There's also this from a couple of hours ago:

5 1sts sounds about perfect. I also want Jovic and Jaime Jaquez. BLEED THEM DRY! As to the OP trade, I think a nice thing about trading with Brooklyn is it is the one team other than the Celtics trading us Brown and 1sts, where Dame gets a real shot to compete AND we get the "Dragon's Treasure Hoard" level haul that Dame warrants.

 

[Idog1976]

Maybe Brooklyn doesn't want Dame. But it's weird that they seemed so completely against trading Bridges.

This is what I'd want if it's just Brooklyn.

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Scoot/Dinwiddie (I'd be looking to trade Dinwiddie)
Sharpe/Simons
Simmons/Thybulle/Nas/Rupert/Whitehead
Grant/Murray/Walker/Clowney
Claxton/Badji

That looks amazing for us, but taking Claxton absolutely guts Brooklyn and they have no shot at a title without adding another major piece. I think we probably ought to consider trades that do NOT involve Claxton as I imagine that would be a sticking point for Brooklyn. Maybe they figure they can actually attract FA's (unlike us) and so it's fine. I mean obviously take Claxton plus all the picks in the Universe they will offer. Personally, I'd see Clowney, Whitehead, + 5 firsts and them taking Nurkic along with Dame, as a pretty sweet haul!

 

[Natebishop3]

That looks amazing for us, but taking Claxton absolutely guts Brooklyn and they have no shot at a title without adding another major piece. I think we probably ought to consider trades that do NOT involve Claxton as I imagine that would be a sticking point for Brooklyn. Maybe they figure they can actually attract FA's (unlike us) and so it's fine. I mean obviously take Claxton plus all the picks in the Universe they will offer. Personally, I'd see Clowney, Whitehead, + 5 firsts and them taking Nurkic along with Dame, as a pretty sweet haul!

They get Nurk, so they still have a center. They'd need another core piece though, and I don't think Herro is that piece.

 

[blazerfan11]

That looks amazing for us, but taking Claxton absolutely guts Brooklyn and they have no shot at a title without adding another major piece. I think we probably ought to consider trades that do NOT involve Claxton as I imagine that would be a sticking point for Brooklyn. Maybe they figure they can actually attract FA's (unlike us) and so it's fine. I mean obviously take Claxton plus all the picks in the Universe they will offer. Personally, I'd see Clowney, Whitehead, + 5 firsts and them taking Nurkic along with Dame, as a pretty sweet haul!

The Suns-Nets trade really hurt Phoenix.
The Wolves-Jazz trade really hurt Minnesota.
The Orlando-Chicago trade really hurt Chicago.

That's how it's supposed to be when you trade a superstar and get a fair return.

 

[B-Roy]

The deal being talked about with Brooklyn, Miami and us is

Dame and Nurk to Miami
Herro and Lowry to Brooklyn, Picks
Simmons, Claxton, Finney-Smith, Jovic, picks to Portland

Heat get Dame
Nets get Herro and rid of Simmons
Portland gets young bigs and picks

This would be a really good return for us, but why is Nurk going to Miami instead of Brooklyn if Brooklyn is going to need a center after this?

Is Miami splitting picks between Portland/Brooklyn? Seems like most of the value is coming from Brooklyn's side.

 

[Idog1976]

The Suns-Nets trade really hurt Phoenix.
The Wolves-Jazz trade really hurt Minnesota.
The Orlando-Chicago trade really hurt Chicago.

That's how it's supposed to be when you trade a superstar and get a fair return.

Im pretty sure losing 5 daft picks, Noah Clowney and Dariq Whitehead hurts. That said, sure, take ‘em to the cleaners.

 

[Idog1976]

They get Nurk, so they still have a center. They'd need another core piece though, and I don't think Herro is that piece.

Claxton is far better and more reliable than Nurk. Again, I’d absolutely love to get Claxton and 5 firsts. Yes please, sign me up. Im just questioning if Brooklyn would do it.

 

[BrianFromWA]

A hunch that the Blazers view Jovic as the prize here

The Marc Gasol, as it were?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Hot take--I'm not really sure that, without having personal sitdowns with the guys, I could rank these players in terms of "who I'd like here with their exact situation" (contract, age, injuries, attitude, etc). It might look something like this...

1. Ben Simmons
2. Rudy Gobert
3. Deandre Ayton
4. Karl-Anthony Towns

 

[Natebishop3]

The Marc Gasol, as it were?

That's exactly the name I was thinking of.

Hot take--I'm not really sure that, without having personal sitdowns with the guys, I could rank these players in terms of "who I'd like here with their exact situation" (contract, age, injuries, attitude, etc). It might look something like this...

1. Ben Simmons
2. Rudy Gobert
3. Deandre Ayton
4. Karl-Anthony Towns

I'm coming around... or back around..... to Ben Simmons. If we can take back a ton of picks for them to offload, I'm good with it. I'd put him at center.

 

[HansenYang]

Hot take--I'm not really sure that, without having personal sitdowns with the guys, I could rank these players in terms of "who I'd like here with their exact situation" (contract, age, injuries, attitude, etc). It might look something like this...

1. Ben Simmons
2. Rudy Gobert
3. Deandre Ayton
4. Karl-Anthony Towns

I generally agree with you here

 

[Idog1976]

Adam Silver is probably behind the scenes. That guy loves player empowerment.

Player empowerment = All Stars demanding trades from small markets to big markets. Quite possibly you are correct.

 

[wizenheimer]

That's exactly the name I was thinking of.



I'm coming around... or back around..... to Ben Simmons. If we can take back a ton of picks for them to offload, I'm good with it. I'd put him at center.

it's a risk, but all things considered, might not be a big risk. And, kind of like Zion, there's that remote chance of it paying off big time

but the Blazers have to get a lot of draft capital

 

[Mediocre Man]

The Marc Gasol, as it were?

Yes

 

[Mediocre Man]

it's a risk, but all things considered, might not be a big risk. And, kind of like Zion, there's that remote chance of it paying off big time

but the Blazers have to get a lot of draft capital

Yep

 

[B-Roy]

Why would the Nets get picks for facilitating? Miami barely has picks as it is.

 

[e_blazer]

Why would the Nets get picks for facilitating? Miami barely has picks as it is.

Presumably as compensation for their better first round picks that would go to the Blazers.

 

[wizenheimer]

Presumably as compensation for their better first round picks that would go to the Blazers.

could be

if Miami is putting the 2028 & 2030 picks into the mix, it could be something like Portland getting the best of the Miami/Brooklyn 2028 & 2030 1st's and Brooklyn getting the worst

like Nate said in another thread, we just don't know how much Brooklyn values Herro, and how much they are willing to pay to dump Simmons. My guess would be 1 pick for Herro and 1 pick for Simmons. Blazers might actually be able to squeeze more value out of the deal by 'sharing' the potential of those two Miami first's with Brooklyn. If Brooklyn was keeping one of the Heat/Nets picks in 2028 and 2030, they might be willing to add 2 or even 3 other first's to the mix headed Portland's way

 

[blazerkor]

I think they would do this and I would do this if I was Joe. They lose none of their players they can count on, they gain Dame and Nurk we take Ben Simmons and get 4 FRPs and 4 young prospects.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Why?

 

[BankTeller]

I think they would do this and I would do this if I was Joe. They lose none of their players they can count on, they gain Dame and Nurk we take Ben Simmons and get 4 FRPs and 4 young prospects.
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I got something a little different. I’m okay with getting back one real young that we’d be excited about, taking on the rest of Ben’s contract, and expirings for 6 1sts. I would really hold out for at least 5 1sts.

We’re just gonna have to tell Dame “Miami doesn’t have the assets. We’re going to send you somewhere that may have been your second choice and give you the best salary cap position for you to compete these next four years”.

Dame with Mikal, DFS, Cam, and Claxton with Nurk, Thomas, and Whitehead off the bench on paper is arguably better than the Heat without Dame.

 

[BankTeller]

Clowney is the one guy I’m interested in on the Nets. Whitehead is also an intriguing prospect, but both are close enough in tier that I lean toward positional fit. Clowney looks like someone who has potential to what everyone thought Marquees Chriss would be. Chriss are quite a bit more athletic, but Clowney looks athletic enough to become Chriss had Chriss reached his potential.

Chriss was a freak athlete. Explosive plays. Nothing else outside of that. Fouled out a lot. Clowney isn’t as great of an athlete, but has an actual defined skillset—defense. Clowney looks like he could become a Claxton/Jones level defender eventually. Also has a good looking 3 that could become more consistent.

 

[Cugel]

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I got something a little different. I’m okay with getting back one real young that we’d be excited about, taking on the rest of Ben’s contract, and expirings for 6 1sts. I would really hold out for at least 5 1sts.

We’re just gonna have to tell Dame “Miami doesn’t have the assets. We’re going to send you somewhere that may have been your second choice and give you the best salary cap position for you to compete these next four years”.

Dame with Mikal, DFS, Cam, and Claxton with Nurk, Thomas, and Whitehead off the bench on paper is arguably better than the Heat without Dame.

I wish Joe could tell him that but I am afraid Dame will get his wish. Ripping the scab off: hearing all the deals Cronin passed up to please a guy for wanting out of his contract. The only reasons Dame stayed last year were to get the extension and get the scoring record. It is now so clear.

The organization has done PLENTY for him. I think after this debacle and the way Joe will fuck it up will be the end of his GM career. Who would hire Joe after this tenure here? Just like Neil.

 

[beast blazer]

Ben Simmons could be a really good PF, where his lack of outside shooting would be less impactful. If you think about everything else he brings, all-nba defense, good rebounding, excellent passing, good scorer inside.

It all hinges on him actually playing. But the Blazers could actually be a playoff team if he does.

 

[sheed30]

Lmao, anyone suggesting we take Simmons or is ok taking Simmons, his big contract and his fragile mentality need to seriously get checked.

if we end up with Simmons regardless I’m going to be disgusted and i promise if you aren’t now either, you will when you see Simmons playing for us, or sitting out games left and right.

 

[tlongII]

Fuck Simmons. Dude is a loser.

 

[glazeduck]

Lmao, anyone suggesting we take Simmons or is ok taking Simmons, his big contract and his fragile mentality need to seriously get checked.

if we end up with Simmons regardless I’m going to be disgusted and i promise if you aren’t not either, you will when you see Simmons playing for us, or sitting out games left and right.

The problem is you'd be expecting ANYTHING from Simmons. ***With the caveat that we get paid to take him (important caveat because he is a negative asset)***...

- His contract is only 2 more years. Next year we won't be good AND we'll be well below the cap thresholds, so concerns next year about his contract is really just worrying about Jody's billionaire money.
- Absolutely the only RISK that his contract brings is us not being able to make big splashes in free agency next offseason, but lets face it, that was never really a concern.
- After next season, his contract becomes an asset as a massive expiring...
- As a player, when he's able to be on the court, he's the perfect forward to pair with a lineup of scorers -- he's a great defender, competent rebounder, doesn't need shots and likes facilitating. If he somehow gets his body and mind right, he's definitely a plus player.

Who cares if he sits? We're not trying to win games next year anyway. Who cares if he's fragile mentally? We'll lose 60 games next year with or without him. And if he causes problems in the locker room we cut him and are basically in the exact same situation, except we got an asset or two to take him. What's to be disgusted about? I Lmao at anyone who can't see the opportunity that he presents...

 

[sheed30]

The problem is you'd be expecting ANYTHING from Simmons. ***With the caveat that we get paid to take him (important caveat because he is a negative asset)***...

- His contract is only 2 more years. Next year we won't be good AND we'll be well below the cap thresholds, so concerns next year about his contract is really just worrying about Jody's billionaire money.
- Absolutely the only RISK that his contract brings is us not being able to make big splashes in free agency next offseason, but lets face it, that was never really a concern.
- After next season, his contract becomes an asset as a massive expiring...
- As a player, when he's able to be on the court, he's the perfect forward to pair with a lineup of scorers -- he's a great defender, competent rebounder, doesn't need shots and likes facilitating. If he somehow gets his body and mind right, he's definitely a plus player.

Who cares if he sits? We're not trying to win games next year anyway. Who cares if he's fragile mentally? We'll lose 60 games next year with or without him. And if he causes problems in the locker room we cut him and are basically in the exact same situation, except we got an asset or two to take him. What's to be disgusted about? I Lmao at anyone who can't see the opportunity that he presents...

Everything you said is so wrong on many levels, I don’t even know where to begin.

how about we get a better package and just so no to Simmons so we don’t even have to deal with all those things you listed.

He is not an asset or a problem, whichever way you look at Simmons, we need to have.

keep him far away and we won’t even have to talk about him, how about that?

sounds like the best thing to me.

 

[glazeduck]

Everything you said is so wrong on many levels, I don’t even know where to begin.

how about we get a better package and just so no to Simmons so we don’t even have to deal with all those things you listed.

He is not an asset or a problem, whichever way you look at Simmons, we need to have.

keep him far away and we won’t even have to talk about him, how about that?

sounds like the best thing to me.

Please, by all means, explain to me how and where I'm wrong?

I'm not advocating for trading for him. Simply that if we take him for a couple assets, it's not as bad of a thing as you seem to think it is...