BRoy interview coming up live (MERGED)

[ehizzy3]

this is pathetic...you want to give 30 year old hedo 5 years but only roy 4..............fuck me

 

[Ed O]

Twice. Sure, Brandon's not thrilled, and he's a little disappointed that he didn't get what he wanted right away, but it's not like he's all butt-hurt about it. I guaran-goddamn-tee you that there will be no hard feelings in either direction once a contract is inked.

I agree.

I can understand why people are emotional about this (some people are just more emotional than others) but what I cannot see is how people think that it's an opened-and-shut case that he deserves max money for max years.

I'm actually having trouble finding any player other than Carmelo Anthony that has signed for a max money, max years extension in the last several years.

Not Chris Paul.
Not Deron Williams.
Not LeBron James.
Not Chris Bosh.
Not Dwyane Wade.

Maybe there are some more out there, and maybe some or all of those players only wanted four year deals, but the market has been established and I am more convinced that Portland needs to look after its financial interests given the economic uncertainty and probable shakeup of the CBA in 2011.

I don't blame Roy for asking for it, and I don't blame him for being upset that he's not getting his way.

But to think he unquestionably DESERVES it? To think that there's no justification at all for the Blazers to DARE to negotiate with him?

That strikes me as extremely odd.

Ed O.

 

[RoyToy]

You think Roy was frustrated and unwilling to come see Turkoglu..... how do you think Aldridge feels after sending a contract for Millsap? You think he's happy with it?

Aldridge can take anything and turn it into someone doubting him, which pretty much pisses him off, and this seems like one of those situations.

 

[PapaG]

I agree.

I can understand why people are emotional about this (some people are just more emotional than others) but what I cannot see is how people think that it's an opened-and-shut case that he deserves max money for max years.

I'm actually having trouble finding any player other than Carmelo Anthony that has signed for a max money, max years extension in the last several years.

Not Chris Paul.
Not Deron Williams.
Not LeBron James.
Not Chris Bosh.
Not Dwyane Wade.

Maybe there are some more out there, and maybe some or all of those players only wanted four year deals, but the market has been established and I am more convinced that Portland needs to look after its financial interests given the economic uncertainty and probable shakeup of the CBA in 2011.

I don't blame Roy for asking for it, and I don't blame him for being upset that he's not getting his way.

But to think he DESERVES it? To think that there's no justification at all for the Blazers to DARE to negotiate with him?

That strikes me as extremely odd.

Ed O.

All of those players asked for less years to see what state their team was in after those years. You are comparing apples to oranges, Ed. Are you saying Cleveland didn't want to lock up James for five years?

 

[Ed O]

I bought tickets to 22 games this year, and I want to see Brandon, I want to see LaMarcus, I want to see the team that I've grown to love the past few years.

Have you bought your tickets for 2011-2012 yet? That's the first season that Roy won't be a Blazer without Portland's permission.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Have you bought your tickets for 2011-2012 yet? That's the first season that Roy won't be a Blazer without Portland's permission.

Ed O.

That's simply not true. If Roy doesn't get the offer he wants, his agent would be stupid not to demand a trade prior to October 31st. Plus, fans aren't there for Paul Allen, or Kevin Pritchard, or Tod Leiweke. If they feel the players are being insulted, they are going to side with the players.

The clock is ticking...

 

[Ed O]

All of those players asked for less years to see what state their team was in after those years. You are comparing apples to oranges, Ed. Are you saying Cleveland didn't want to lock up James for five years?

I'm saying a market has been established. Portland should not be expected to pay Brandon Roy more than any of those guys got.

Roy wants security because he KNOWS that the 2011 CBA might rape the shit out of the players and he wants one more year of guaranteed goodness.

The thing is if he doesn't accept the four year extension he might have to sign his 2011 CBA-based contract three years earlier than he otherwise would... and he will cost himself much more dearly for having to do so in my opinion.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

That's simply not true. If Roy doesn't get the offer he wants, his agent would be stupid not to demand a trade prior to October 31st.

The clock is ticking...

He can request until he's blue in the face. Portland has to permit him to go to another team. That's why I typed what I typed and it's 100% true.

I want ONE example where Roy is playing for a team before 2011-12 season in another team's uniform where Portland did not give him permission to do so.

Please. Tell me one if my statement is "simply untrue".

Ed O.

 

[ehizzy3]

He can request until he's blue in the face. Portland has to permit him to go to another team. That's why I typed what I typed and it's 100% true.

I want ONE example where Roy is playing for a team before 2011-12 season in another team's uniform where Portland did not give him permission to do so.

Please. Tell me one if my statement is "simply untrue".

Ed O.

jesus christ...him asking to be traded and us not trading him is still going to ruin the team...are you just arguing to argue right now?

 

[PapaG]

I'm saying a market has been established. Portland should not be expected to pay Brandon Roy more than any of those guys got.

Roy wants security because he KNOWS that the 2011 CBA might rape the shit out of the players and he wants one more year of guaranteed goodness.

The thing is if he doesn't accept the four year extension he might have to sign his 2011 CBA-based contract three years earlier than he otherwise would... and he will cost himself much more dearly for having to do so in my opinion.

Ed O.

He'll get a 5-year extension next summer from somebody, the Blazers may match, and we're all left scratching our heads after a year of uncertainty. Roy is going to get paid next summer on a 5-year max. That is a clear. Effing with him now over one year seems rather short-term IMO.

 

[Reep]

jesus christ...him asking to be traded and us not trading him is still going to ruin the team...are you just arguing to argue right now?

It would also ruin Brandon's reputation as a team player for holding out over what is likely small issues. If Brandon wants to play hard ball, then he would play great for the next two years--having taken the teams qualifying offer--and then try the FA market.

Ed is right. Brandon holding out and ruining the team hurts him as much as them. Highly unlikely to happen.

 

[Reep]

He'll get a 5-year extension next summer from somebody, the Blazers may match, and we're all left scratching our heads after a year of uncertainty. Roy is going to get paid next summer on a 5-year max. That is a clear. Effing with him now over one year seems rather short-term IMO.

There will be several teams with cap space next summer. How many of them do you think will tie up that money [precluding them from signing one of the big free agents] on a RFA that will likely be matched? My guess is not many.

 

[B-Roy]

There will be several teams with cap space next summer. How many of them do you think will tie up that money on a RFA that will likely be matched? My guess is not many.

IMO that's even worse, as Roy might then sign the QO and might become a UFA. AGH!

 

[Ed O]

He'll get a 5-year extension next summer from somebody, the Blazers may match, and we're all left scratching our heads after a year of uncertainty. Roy is going to get paid next summer on a 5-year max. That is a clear. Effing with him now over one year seems rather short-term IMO.

Dude.

Did you read my post about this earlier? You didn't respond to it, and there's been a flurry of posts, so you might have missed it.

If Portland matches a max offer for five years offer sheet, they save TEN MILLION DOLLARS over extending him now, assuming the salary cap is about where it is reportedly going to be next year.

Ten million dollars is nothing to sneeze at. They've got BRoy by the short hairs and he and his people have to know it. It makes sense for him to sign for four year extension at what they're offering rather than signing an offer sheet with another team using a markedly lower max salary AND only 8% raises from the first year.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

Dude.

Did you read my post about this earlier? You didn't respond to it, and there's been a flurry of posts, so you might have missed it.

If Portland matches a max offer for five years offer sheet, they save TEN MILLION DOLLARS over extending him now, assuming the salary cap is about where it is reportedly going to be next year.

Ten million dollars is nothing to sneeze at. They've got BRoy by the short hairs and he and his people have to know it. It makes sense for him to sign for four year extension at what they're offering rather than signing an offer sheet with another team using a markedly lower max salary AND only 8% raises from the first year.

Ed O.

If that's how they're going to treat Roy, I hope he demands a trade next week in his "statement". I'll take his side over the assholes at Vulcan every and any day. You should not eff with your top talent like this, and really the only leverage Roy has is to force a trade.

 

[Ed O]

If that's how they're going to treat Roy, I hope he demands a trade next week in his "statement". I'll take his side over the assholes at Vulcan every and any day. You should not eff with your top talent like this, and really the only leverage Roy has is to force a trade.

You can take his side, but Portland still doesn't HAVE to trade him. He can sit out or he can pout. He'd be flirting with committing career suicide over... what?

Another year of security? Because he's being disrespected and is only getting LeBron James-/Chris Paul-like treatment?

He can also play the next two years as a Portland Trail Blazer, foregoing a guaranteed ~$50m for the next three years (three max years and the difference between a QO and a max salary in 2010-11) to enter the summer of 2011 as a free agent... assuming the NBA is even running that summer with an effective CBA.

He's not that stupid, is he?

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

IMO that's even worse, as Roy might then sign the QO and might become a UFA. AGH!

Play two seasons with no financial security? I'll believe that when I see it. And even if he becomes a UFA, Portland is still the team that can pay him the most.

Takes a lot of hatred to turn down the biggest contract. I don't think 4 year max deal versus 5 year max deal creates that kind of hatred.

 

[PapaG]

Because he's being disrespected and is only getting LeBron James-/Chris Paul-like treatment?

Ed O.

Just because you keep posting this over and over and over does not make it true. Those players dictated the years they received; for you to call that "irrelevant" is an oversight at best, or ignorance at worst.

 

[Ed O]

Just because you keep posting this over and over and over does not make it true. Those players dictated the years they received; for you to call that "irrelevant" is an oversight at best, or ignorance at worst.

He's getting offered the EXACT SAME contract as every other max-type player recently (other than Carmelo Anthony) has received after his rookie scale contract: four years of max money.

You acting like that has not established a precedent is weird.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

Just because you keep posting this over and over and over does not make it true. Those players dictated the years they received; for you to call that "irrelevant" is an oversight at best, or ignorance at worst.

Also, I'm waiting for you to give an example of how Brandon Roy can be playing for another team before the 2011-12 season without the Blazers permission.

You said my statement was simply not true, and I'm waiting for you to support that with an example of how events might transpire.

Ed O.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Yeah Roy isn't going to play two years without a guaranteed longer salary - not with his knee history.

 

[PapaG]

He's getting offered the EXACT SAME contract as every other max-type player recently (other than Carmelo Anthony) has received after his rookie scale contract: four years of max money.

You acting like that has not established a precedent is weird.

Ed O.

How do you know those players weren't offered five year contracts, only to want less years for their own flexibility? Link? You seem certain about your stance. Give me a link that shows that Cleveland did not want to lock James up for five years.

 

[PapaG]

Also, I'm waiting for you to give an example of how Brandon Roy can be playing for another team before the 2011-12 season without the Blazers permission.

You said my statement was simply not true, and I'm waiting for you to support that with an example of how events might transpire.

Ed O.

"Permission" sounds so slave-like, Ed. As does your view on how to treat African-American workers from a lily-white Vulcan office while being in a lily-white community. If it is about "permission", then why offer Roy anything at all? Clearly, you have no experience on how to treat elite talent, especially when the Vulcans offer Hedo five years and Roy four years. Roy has made the team much more than a few million dollars on a rookie contract. Shitting on him now, as you seem to advocate, puts you in Vulcanland for me.

 

[PapaG]

Yeah Roy isn't going to play two years without a guaranteed longer salary - not with his knee history.

I hope Roy demands a trade.

 

[superfly4201]

Look, has Hedo ever had a history of injuries? He plays below the rim and there is very little to be worried about with him getting hurt. Roy on the other hand has had multiple "issues" and its just a result of his style of play (which I love but it does worry me long term). As he gets older this is going to catch up to him big time. I don't blame the Blazers for being a little concerned about paying $13+ mill for a guy that can potentially be injured that fifth year of the contract.

 

[PapaG]

Look, has Hedo ever had a history of injuries? He plays below the rim and there is very little to be worried about with him getting hurt. Roy on the other hand has had multiple "issues" and its just a result of his style of play (which I love but it does worry me long term). As he gets older this is going to catch up to him big time. I don't blame the Blazers for being a little concerned about paying $13+ mill for a guy that can potentially be injured that fifth year of the contract.

What, he has exactly four years left on his knee, but not five?

 

[Minstrel]

"Permission" sounds so slave-like, Ed. As does your view on how to treat African-American workers from a lily-white Vulcan office while being in a lily-white community.

Haha. Train has left the rails.

This thread definitely delivers on amusement.

 

[PapaG]

Haha. Train has left the rails.

This thread definitely delivers on amusement.

An absurd point to counter Ed's absurd LBJ/Wade point. Both have as much relevance to the topic at hand.

 

[superfly4201]

What, he has exactly four years left on his knee, but not five?

Maybe only one more year

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I hope Roy demands a trade.

...okay?

That probably wont change his knee history, though.