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MARIS61 said:
Final tally:

Sergio +18

Jerryd -1

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :devilwink:

Bayless looked all wound up again tonight. Committed some stupid fouls which took him out of the game.

Someone needs to slip him a valium or something.
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ugh, give it up.

Bayless was relentless on D on got called for 2 ticky-tack fouls. Not his best game, but I love how he gets to the line at will.
 
MIXUM said:
anyway..theres no way we beat the cavs...if we do...i wont post till monday.
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I'm going to go place my bets now. Thank you for this info. Your basketball mind is one of a kind.

Again, thank you.
 
I think it's safe to say Pritchard had a meeting with Coach McMillan once he got back to Portland about the usage of Greg Oden.
 
MARIS61 said:
Final tally:

Sergio +18

Jerryd -1

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :devilwink:

Bayless looked all wound up again tonight. Committed some stupid fouls which took him out of the game.

Someone needs to slip him a valium or something.
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Still outplayed Sergio on D, even with those fouls.
 
Cwazy stat of the night:

43 Blazers misses and 19 offensive boards ... that's a 44% offensive rebound rate for those keeping score at home! That is unbelievable!
 
The +/- story debunked:

Rudy Fernandez - 6/9 for 13 points and -3 +/-
Brandon Roy - 4/13 and 13 points for a +30

Travis Outlaw was 5-10, 18 points, 8 boards, and 2 steals...... -1 in the +/-

LMA was 8-13 for 22 points, 9 boards, 5 assists... only +7

So I'm sorry... the +/- is worthless imo.
 
This win feels good, although it wasn't always attractive. That one game losing streak was the end of the world in here. Now rainbows are overhead and we're dancing through fields of flowers. :ghoti:

Really happy to see Oden basically win it for us. Yes his stats were great but there where also several times he hustled and tipped a rebound to another Blazer, and many times he effected shots without getting a block.

Wish he could bring that effort every night, but like a lot of young guys, consistency just isn't there yet. Travis is another guy, just think if he'd try to rebound like that every night. Bayless didn't do as well, but Sergio did better -- again consistency isn't there. Overall, the team is so young, consistency will haunt them all year, but so far we have so many weapons that if enough of them are on during any one game we got a good shot.

Sure hope Roy starts feeling better, he sure didn't look 100% tonight. Aldridge was great.
 
B-Roy said:
Still outplayed Sergio on D, even with those fouls.
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But in fairness, I did too, and I'm a state away and was sitting down watching the game on my computer. Sergio couldn't fight his way through a 10 hour gust of wind.
 
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I'm glad that Oden was able to feast on Malik Allen, Charlie Villanueva, and Dan Gadruic. It's a game that he should have played well in and he did. I just hope that this is enough to boost his confidence to take on the Ilgauskas' and and Okafor's of the world.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The +/- story debunked:

Rudy Fernandez - 6/9 for 13 points and -3 +/-
Brandon Roy - 4/13 and 13 points for a +30

Travis Outlaw was 5-10, 18 points, 8 boards, and 2 steals...... -1 in the +/-

LMA was 8-13 for 22 points, 9 boards, 5 assists... only +7

So I'm sorry... the +/- is worthless imo.
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Yeah... it's basically worthless when you look at it for one game or even tens of games. But it's not worthless when you look at alot of games (multiple seasons worth) as then it becomes a very good stat, it being pretty much the only stat that accounts for just about every facet of play (offsense, defense, intangibles, etc.)
 
the good news is ilguakis (big z) is out for our game vs cle. A. Varejao will start at center and oden should dominate him. ben wallace howeve rmight match up with oden.

obvioulsy lebron will get his 30+ but if we can contain wally and gibson from the outside...we have a small chance
 
bobf said:
Yeah... it's basically worthless when you look at it for one game or even tens of games. But it's not worthless when you look at alot of games (multiple seasons worth) as then it becomes a very good stat, it being pretty much the only stat that accounts for just about everything (offsense, defense, intangibles, etc.)
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I can see what you're saying, mostly I was just trying to bitchslap another poster who likes to keep posting +/- to support his mancrush on Sergio on a game-by-game basis.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So I'm sorry... the +/- is worthless imo.
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it's absolutely worthless with a small sample(like one game) or when you don't take circumstances into account.

it has some value though over the course of a season as long as other things are taken into consideration. there are much much better ways to evaluate players though.
 
bobf said:
Yeah... it's basically worthless when you look at it for one game or even tens of games. But it's not worthless when you look at alot of games (multiple seasons worth) as then it becomes a very good stat, it being pretty much the only stat that accounts for just about every facet of play (offsense, defense, intangibles, etc.)
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i would disagree with it being very good.

it can be useful, but you have to account for who they normally end up on the court with(a blazer that gets his minutes with roy/aldridge is going to have a much better +/- that one who gets more minutes when those guys are out, etc) and things of that nature.
 
Last three games of the night all end up with a 17 point differential.
 
MIXUM said:
the good news is ilguakis (big z) is out for our game vs cle. A. Varejao will start at center and oden should dominate him. ben wallace howeve rmight match up with oden.

obvioulsy lebron will get his 30+ but if we can contain wally and gibson from the outside...we have a small chance
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WWOWWW!!! :ghoti::cheers::clap::pimp::D
 
MIXUM said:
anyway..theres no way we beat the cavs...if we do...i wont post till monday.
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Why wouldn't you post till Monday if the Blazers beat the cavs? That's the best time to post as that has got to be a boost of adrenline for any Blazer fan . . . unless of course you're not a Blazer fan????????
 
rocketeer said:
i would disagree with it being very good.

it can be useful, but you have to account for who they normally end up on the court with(a blazer that gets his minutes with roy/aldridge is going to have a much better +/- that one who gets more minutes when those guys are out, etc) and things of that nature.
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Yes, but I was assuming that those factors would be taken into account when I said that, and they can be. It is possible with multiple seasons of data to take into account who is playing with who (linear regression).

But to quote it for one game is insanity.
 
RayDavies said:
ugh, give it up.

Bayless was relentless on D on got called for 2 ticky-tack fouls. Not his best game, but I love how he gets to the line at will.
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As do I. We need that aggressiveness from our SG's. The fouls were obvious and come from trying too hard. He needs to let it come to him.
 
Nice win . . . the Blazers needed that after that game in Charlotte.

Roy is going to have to show up against the power teams, but it is nice to know the team can get it done without him.

Overall I feel much better when Roy is in control and on his game. He controls the game on both sides and the team has a more consistent flow to it . .. but a lot of good in this game, without Roy needing to do his thing and Aldridge on the bench during the 4th . . . I think this team is starting to mature.
 
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worst kept secret in blazer land...roys not even 80%, hes hurt
 
Natebishop3 said:
I can see what you're saying, mostly I was just trying to bitchslap another poster who likes to keep posting +/- to support his mancrush on Sergio on a game-by-game basis.
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Yeah, that didn't work out so well for you, this time anyway.

I only post it, and the score, because they are usually an indicator of how that person AND THE PLAYERS OUT THERE WITH HIM performed as a group. Because what you want froma PG is for him to get the entire team playing well.

Obviously, as has been pointed out many times, if you're out there with Frye and Diogu your +/- might be much different than if you're out there with Joel and LaMarcus. Since he plays mostly with Roy, Bayless's should improve considerably. If you have a great +/- consistently with scrubs, you're probably the real deal, because you are raising the level of their play.

I rarely don't care about the stats and +/- but some folks here keep throwing them out there so I respond in kind.

I look for a smooth-flowing offense, lots of guys in double-figures, and an advantage in assists and steals.
 
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Natebishop3 said:
Sergio is easily having his best game of the season.
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Really?
From the stands, he looked very subpar and yes I saw his stats.
He jacked up way too many 3's, dribbles the hell out of the ball too often, and got checked numerous times.
He is pretty much useless unless there is a fast break scenario, which we rarely do.
Its like trying to stick a trapezoid into a circle, just not working.
 
MIXUM said:
its funny how everyone gets so surprised when oden has a good game yet say hes not a bust.

this is what a first round 1st overall pick is SUPPOSED TO DO


and it means nothing until he does it consistently vs good centers/good teams. oden played greta tonight, like we have hoped BUT i wanna see him do it vs guys like duncan shaq okur and nene. then he has arrived. not vs gadzuric or whatever the hell his name is.

we should just sign tyronne lue btw.
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lol, great post
 
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