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We're too good to get good picks. Can we trade for picks?
 
Last time the Blazers made it to the WCF they didn't build though the draft.
 
We'd have to blow up the team and trade Lillard and CJ. But you can still have the draft picks in the world and still end up with dick. Just as Danny Ainge. Somebody said it best earler.... the best chance of Portland was this FA window. And we still didn't make the grade. I think we should gIve up any BS talk about ever winning a championship and be happy we have a team.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If the Blazers were in Seattle we could attract better free agents.
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Wouldn't be surprised if some people close to Allen are thinking that. Kind of like knowing the way an Agatha Christie novel ends before finishing the book.
 
Fishing for a diamond in the rough in the mid 40s rarely works.

He just needs to keep the picks. Unless it's for a nice young prospect DON'T trade a future first.
 
All it will do is end in hurt feelings. I know you don't want that. ;)
 
Mediocre Man said:
Is this the right time to revisit this debate?
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I don't understand the point. Our best player...from the draft. Our second best player...from the draft. Our third best player...acquired via a trade on draft night. Our likely to be highest paid RFA...from the draft. Our likely to be second highest paid RFA...from the draft.

How much more "building through the draft" did you want, exactly?
 
Totally speculating, but maybe trading players who didn't want to be here a year before they can leave so that you get young players and draft picks instead of cap space....?

:shitstorm:
 
BrianFromWA said:
Totally speculating, but maybe trading players who didn't want to be here a year before they can leave so that you get young players and draft picks instead of cap space....?

:shitstorm:
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I was on that bandwagon too.

Neil is not a risk taker - unless it involves mid-tier guys.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Totally speculating, but maybe trading players who didn't want to be here a year before they can leave so that you get young players and draft picks instead of cap space....?

:shitstorm:
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Like he did with Batum? Yeah, sometimes that works out, and sometimes not so much. Tough to do after a 54-win season and a second round playoff appearance with the prospect and expectation of improvement because all the main players are returning. Much easier to do after a first round exit with most of your starters hitting free agency.
 
ripcityboy said:
Wouldn't be surprised if some people close to Allen are thinking that. Kind of like knowing the way an Agatha Christie novel ends before finishing the book.
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Seattle? That's barley bigger than Portland and even more whiter. Plus it's even farther than Portland technically.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If the Blazers were in Las Vegas we could attract the best free agents.
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Fucking A. No income tax, the weather is hot right now but all the players can stay at their home towns this time of year anyway. McCarran is an easy airport to get to from some of the rich parts of town.

Paul Allen could build a massive arena by the M and retire here. Edit, should just say live out his golden years.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You saw what we traded for. You tell me
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You saw what was drafted. You tell me

Seriously how is it working for the Lakers? And they can attract FA's. Obviously you need to
keep your picks and draft wisely, but you can't intentionally rely on it. Once you head down that path it is hard to get out. Trade for picks, but don't dump solid players for them.
 
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e_blazer said:
rich owner
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Any pitch to free agents includes an hour of Mark Cuban rambling about how cool he is.

I don't care about the Mavs but someone needs to tell Paul Allen to sit next year's free agent presentations out. It can't be every GM the Blazers have had that is the problem. I bet if you could ask all of the free agents that turned the Blazers down it was the owner that made them go elsewhere.
 
Trading is probably the best rout.

It'd be interesting if Neil would take that rout. He has yet to be aggressive on the trade market in Portland. Neil is a big talker. Don't get me wrong - Davis/Aminu/Harkless are solid role players on good contracts - but all of his acquisitions outside Lillard and McCollum are mid-tier guys.

To take that next step you have to bring in a needle mover. Easier said than done, I know. Otherwise we'll always be the 'just happy to be here' Blazers.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Any pitch to free agents includes an hour of Mark Cuban rambling about how cool he is.

I don't care about the Mavs but someone needs to tell Paul Allen to sit next year's free agent presentations out. It can't be every GM the Blazers have had that is the problem. I bet if you could ask all of the free agents that turned the Blazers down it was the owner that made them go elsewhere.
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Sounds like it was more about relationships with coaches in Memphis than anything else:

"I really believed in Coach Fiz," Parsons told ESPN in a text message, explaining his decision to commit to Memphis. "Nobody in the league has coached better wings than him. I trust J.B. with my life. They have nobody like me, and their veteran, experienced players are a perfect fit with me.

The 27-year-old Parsons also met with and received a max contract offer from the Portland Trail Blazers when free agency opened.

"Toughest decision of my life though. Portland is incredible," Parsons added.
 
The draft is a crap shoot, but at least you hold your destiny in your own hands. Free agency is just a never ending cock tease for a team/city like Portland.

I got lit up quite a few times for daring to suggest we should tank for a high lottery pick. And please believe me, I get why the majority of fans wanted to make the playoffs (even though it took an extra helping of luck to get to the second round) that Dubs series was fun to watch.

I'm not saying I had a crystal ball or anything, I just didn't see how this year was going to somehow be so much different in free agency -- too many teams chasing too little talent, and no history of success even in years when the team seemed to be on the verge of ascending to the next level.

That doesn't mean that it has to be all or nothing, building just through the draft. It should always be a mix of methods and context always matters, but the higher percentage play in the talent acquisition game for Portland is probably always going to be Draft>Trades>Free Agency.

NO has been pretty good at the draft, and it would have been interesting to see what he would have done with a lottery pick this year is all I'm saying -- maybe a bust, maybe a non-factor, but at least there's a chance that mystery pick could be that one hidden gem who helps push this team where it wants to be in a couple of years. A 27-28 year old Evan Turner suddenly morphing into a guy worthy of his second overall draft position or turning into that elusive "3rd star" is so remote as to be practically impossible.

In short, If I had to chose between years of lottery hell and just a meager 2% chance of eventually building a contender through the draft over years of "muddy middle" playoff teams that never seriously compete for a title. I'll take the first option every time.
 
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