Politics Bullshit in Wisconsin

[Chris Craig]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-republicans-forge-ahead-power-stripping-bills-044446141.html

Outgoing Governor Scott Walker is a sore loser and has passed bills with Wisconsin Republicans in a lame duck session to limit incoming Democrat Governor Terry Evers power. This is a fucking outrage. If this were Democrats doing this there woukd be hell breaking loose. These are unscrupulous manuevers to stop Democrats from taking back Wisconsin and to try and help Trump maintain it in 2020. He already lost it. Respect the vote republicans.

 

[donkiez]

This is what happens when republicans cant steal elections.

 

[Chris Craig]

This is what happens when republicans cant steal elections.

Can you imagine the outcry if Democrats did this? It would be all over Trump's twitter.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Can you imagine the outcry if Democrats did this? It would be all over Trump's twitter.

IMO, the "if Republicans did this..." "if Democrats did that..." narratives are incredibly counter-productive. Why not just focus on what is actually happening rather than speculate on what some people might do if some other people were doing something that they're not doing? That accomplishes nothing except to further strengthen the divisive "them-vs-us" mentality.

 

[dviss1]

IMO, the "if Republicans did this..." "if Democrats did that..." narratives are incredibly counter-productive. Why not just focus on what is actually happening rather than speculate on what some people might do if some other people were doing something that they're not doing? That accomplishes nothing except to further strengthen the divisive "them-vs-us" mentality.

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of the Republican party.

They're chock full of hypocrites.

 

[dviss1]

That accomplishes nothing except to further strengthen the divisive "them-vs-us" mentality.

Them republicans need to be defeated by us.

Sorry, not sorry.

 

[Chris Craig]

IMO, the "if Republicans did this..." "if Democrats did that..." narratives are incredibly counter-productive. Why not just focus on what is actually happening rather than speculate on what some people might do if some other people were doing something that they're not doing? That accomplishes nothing except to further strengthen the divisive "them-vs-us" mentality.

What do think of what is happening in Wisconsin? You think its ok? You think its excusable?

 

[Chris Craig]

Them republicans need to be defeated by us.

Sorry, not sorry.

Both sides need to work together and stop being a bunch of selfish assholes

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

A. Primaries should be held on their own...that is just obvious. That would actually make sure every vote is more fair.

B. If they have the authority to pass bills right now then they have every right whether you like it or not. If something they pass is unconstitutional then it should be struck down.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What do think of what is happening in Wisconsin? You think its ok? You think its excusable?

No, I don't. If they had a problem with the way the government was structured, they should probably have addressed it earlier. Obviously they didn't, and this is just a completely transparent attempt to neuter their opposition.

 

[dviss1]

A. Primaries should be held on their own...that is just obvious. That would actually make sure every vote is more fair.

B. If they have the authority to pass bills right now then they have every right whether you like it or not. If something they pass is unconstitutional then it should be struck down.

It's called a lame duck for a reason. It's bullshit.

 

[dviss1]

A. Primaries should be held on their own...that is just obvious. That would actually make sure every vote is more fair.

B. If they have the authority to pass bills right now then they have every right whether you like it or not. If something they pass is unconstitutional then it should be struck down.

That NOT what the people voted for. The people voted Walker's ass out.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of the Republican party.

They're chock full of hypocrites.

Pointing out actual hypocrisy...sure. What I'm talking about, however, is theorizing hypothetical hypocrisy.

 

[dviss1]

Pointing out actual hypocrisy...sure. What I'm talking about, however, is theorizing hypothetical hypocrisy.

Yeah, but most times when it flies and quacks, it's actually a duck.

 

[Chris Craig]

A. Primaries should be held on their own...that is just obvious. That would actually make sure every vote is more fair.

B. If they have the authority to pass bills right now then they have every right whether you like it or not. If something they pass is unconstitutional then it should be struck down.

If it were the other way around the conservatives on here would bitching about it. Its wrong. Walker is a sore fucking loser. He was voted out.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

If it were the other way around the conservatives on here would bitching about it. Its wrong. Walker is a sore fucking loser. He was voted out.

He is still serving the term he was voted in for isn't he?

IF and this is a huge IF...if conservatives were bitching about the reverse they would be bitching about someone following the rules. There is nothing illegal about passing laws during a lame duck session is there?

 

[andalusian]

He is still serving the term he was voted in for isn't he?

This was not the republican claim when they never bothered even bringing the Merrick Garland's nomination - 9 months before Obama left office.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This was not the republican claim when they never bothered even bringing the Merrick Garland's nomination - 9 months before Obama left office.

The Republicans didn't break any laws when they did that did they?

I've grown tired of spin. It is legal or not.

 

[CupWizier]

The Republicans didn't break any laws when they did that did they?

I've grown tired of spin. It is legal or not.

Is it a legal issue or an ethical issue? If I had no ethics i would probably support trump.

 

[andalusian]

The Republicans didn't break any laws when they did that did they?

I've grown tired of spin. It is legal or not.

What is a spin? It is the president's role to nominate judges. The Republican controlled senate decided to ignore it because he was a lame duck president.

In this case, a lame duck governor is trying to pass laws restricting an elected one.

How is this a spin? It is an ugly showmanship of partisan behavior, in one case they "respected" the upcoming election, in the other they blatantly do not. Text book case of hypocrisy.

 

[Lanny]

A. Primaries should be held on their own...that is just obvious. That would actually make sure every vote is more fair.

B. If they have the authority to pass bills right now then they have every right whether you like it or not. If something they pass is unconstitutional then it should be struck down.

That doesn't negate the right of the public to be outraged.

 

[Lanny]

Is it a legal issue or an ethical issue? If I had no ethics i would probably support trump like you.

Ethics are legal. That's how they differ from morality.
Ethics are rules set by differing professions. We had our ethics in engineering, doctors have theirs, lawyers have theirs, CPAs have theirs and so on. When these rules are violated, and it's really hard to prove a violation in most cases, there are consequences, legal consequences.

When one of us violates one of our moral principals, unless it somehow violates the law or some ethic, there are no legal consequences. When I was a kid, the grocery clerk gave me back too much change which I kept. That's an example of how I violated one of my moral principles. When I was older, but still young man, I grew some marijuana among my mother's flowers. She blamed my younger brother and I kept my mouth shut, that was a moral violation which I regret to this day, especially now that they're both gone.

I haven't reviewed the ethics for engineers in a long time now but I seem to recall a clause that said an ethical violation must be conscious. This means an honest goof is different than a willful violation.

 

[Chris Craig]

This is what happens when republicans cant steal elections.

They steal states. Through gerrymandering the republicans have drawn county lines in such a way that they can never lose power in Wisconsin even if the Democrats get 205,000 more votes. Wisconsins only hope now is that enough republican voters see what bullshit this is vote the other way the other way. Unfortunately, this isn't very likely to happen as many republicans are happy their side can't lose power. Its not about sides anymore. We are all American. If we don't stop this shit its going to keep happening to more and more states. North Carolina already did it. Michigan is about to. This is fucking ridiculous. Partisan politics had gotten to the point of subverting the will of the American people.

 

[Cippy91]

Republicans and democrats are both hypocritical parties all the time. Funny reading this though

 

[barfo]

Republicans and democrats are both hypocritical parties all the time. Funny reading this though

But there are also very fine people, on both sides.

So everything is equivalent, and nothing matters.

It's a good attitude if you want a completely amoral society.

barfo

 

[Cippy91]

But there are also very fine people, on both sides.

So everything is equivalent, and nothing matters.

It's a good attitude if you want a completely amoral society.

barfo

True, there are. It's just funny reading people on the left sit and say "oh my side isn't hypocritical but the republicans are".

Yes, the republican party is hypocritical but don't fool yourself, the democratic party is up there too. It's all the same. A shitty two party system where people will go crazy for one side or the other. I never will understand it but hey, have yourselves a blast

 

[barfo]

True, there are. It's just funny reading people on the left sit and say "oh my side isn't hypocritical but the republicans are".

Yes, the republican party is hypocritical but don't fool yourself, the democratic party is up there too. It's all the same. A shitty two party system where people will go crazy for one side or the other. I never will understand it but hey, have yourselves a blast

No, that isn't it. Nobody here said that democrats never behave hypocritically. And hypocrisy isn't really the issue here, extreme partisanship (party over state) is.

I, at least, will stipulate that most people, including elected democrats, are hypocrites on occasion. And some elected democrats are corrupt. And many elected democrats are overly partisan.

However, excusing bad behavior by saying 'everybody does it', like you almost always do, is a way of enabling and encouraging that bad behavior.

barfo

 

[Cippy91]

No, that isn't it. Nobody here said that democrats never behave hypocritically. And hypocrisy isn't really the issue here, extreme partisanship (party over state) is.

I, at least, will stipulate that most people, including elected democrats, are hypocrites on occasion. And some elected democrats are corrupt. And many elected democrats are overly partisan.

However, excusing bad behavior by saying 'everybody does it', like you almost always do, is a way of enabling and encouraging that bad behavior.

barfo

I’m not encouraging it, I just don’t believe in honest politics. Even at a local level. Watched this documentary called dark money the other day. Local politics. It just confirmed what I already know. Politicians are bought and paid for. I find it ridiculous people get so divided and hateful over politics when none of them care about you or me. It’s a circus. It’s all bullshit

 

[Further]

both parties do slimy things but that doesn't make those slimy things equal.

 

[Cippy91]

both parties do slimy things but that doesn't make those slimy things equal.


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No don’t do that. Let’s not act like democratic presidents are not guilty. Across all presidencies, left and right, war crimes are committed. The news just never reports the innocents we have bombed because the narrative is “America is the greatest”. Whether it’s bush and Cheney with the weapons of mass destruction bullshit or the countless shit the clintons have gotten away with. It doesn’t matter. People shouldn’t over react to things and that’s why I say what I say about trump. He could totally be guilty for some form of Russian shit, either way he’s always been a billionaire which to me means before his presidency he would of had to do some slimy shit in business. I guess I just don’t get why people waste their time talking about politics and getting angry at each other. It’s what is dividing this country. These politicians don’t give a shit. They do business with each other behind closed doors and then play it up in front of the camera. It’s WWE level bullshit. Both parties are shit