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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Marty Burns of Sports Illustrated thinks it's time that pundits put aside their conventional wisdom and start looking anew at who could win it all. Beyond the Miami's, Detroit's, San Antonio's, Dallas's, etc., says Burns there are five "second tier favorites" who are just as likely to win it all. At the top of the list: the Nets. What are the chances of the team with the best starting lineup in the East winning it all: "Better than a lot of people think."</div>
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imagine if rutgers wins the national title. and the nets win the nba finals that would be so great :-)

Go Rutgets Go Nets!
 
See this guy thinks the Nets are underrated and I'll have to agree.
 
Can someone who is a Nets fan explain to me exactly how Nets will be better this year despite the fact that there core players are exactly the same? You don't honestly think the Nets lost in the playoffs last year because they had a not-very-good bench, do you? Or do you? I just feel like they need to make a trade to be a legit contender - - they need an interior defense of some kind, even if they have to get rid of one of their offensive options to get that presence
 
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Can someone who is a Nets fan explain to me exactly how Nets will be better this year despite the fact that there core players are exactly the same? You don't honestly think the Nets lost in the playoffs last year because they had a not-very-good bench, do you? Or do you? I just feel like they need to make a trade to be a legit contender - - they need an interior defense of some kind, even if they have to get rid of one of their offensive options to get that presence</div>

Richard Jefferon and Nenad krstic have gotten better. We have a much improved bench. Vince Carter has to play for a contract so he will have a career year.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Carter Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Richard Jefferon and Nenad krstic have gotten better. We have a much improved bench. Vince Carter has to play for a contract so he will have a career year.</div>

Jefferson has been a great player ever since K-Mart left so I don't see that as a legit reason.

Nenad Krstic - has he really gotten that much better? He seems to have the same game as this time last year. He does have more playoff experience I guess.

And the Vince Carter reason - well, he put up huge points last year - if that's the case you should get VC to put up monster points til the allstar break, then trade him for a couple of utility players.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> You don't honestly think the Nets lost in the playoffs last year because they had a not-very-good bench, do you</div>

They had no bench which played a big factor. Once the starting went off the floor, it was over.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I just feel like they need to make a trade to be a legit contender - - they need an interior defense of some kind, even if they have to get rid of one of their offensive options to get that presence</div>

An inside presence would be wonderful, but the Nets can work with what they have. IMO the only thing stopping the Nets.....is the Nets. if they step on another level and keep playing like that, they will be a powerhouse.

Either that or I might be bias.
 
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Jefferson has been a great player ever since K-Mart left so I don't see that as a legit reason.

Nenad Krstic - has he really gotten that much better? He seems to have the same game as this time last year. He does have more playoff experience I guess.

And the Vince Carter reason - well, he put up huge points last year - if that's the case you should get VC to put up monster points til the allstar break, then trade him for a couple of utility players.</div>

RJ is a great player and he helps with the scoring.

Krstic is a proven 3rd scorer.

VC will have a monster year, you just sit there and watch.
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<div class="quote_poster">Carter Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">RJ is a great player and he helps with the scoring.

Krstic is a proven 3rd scorer.

VC will have a monster year, you just sit there and watch.
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You know what really irks me, is how you Nets fans didn't think Carter would be a good addition to New Jersey and traded him for a stupid Alonzo Mourning and both the idiot Williams guys, and now look, he's your leading scorer. I hope he leaves you guys and goes straight to Orlando. You guys have already had your chance of winning twice and failed, and Carter is supposed to revive you? For what? You guys don't deserve it. This season will be no different. In fact, you guys won't get past the first round, and this time, it will be Cleveland that takes you out.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys have already had your chance of winning twice and failed,</div>

You say the Carter is what makes the Nets winners. Yes? If that's the case, then he failed us <u>twice.</u>

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">n fact, you guys won't get past the first round, and this time, it will be Cleveland that takes you out.</div>

Once again, wouldn't that be Carter's fault?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">For what, you guys don't deserve it.</div>

And Carter does? A guy who didn't play hard and ended up screwing over his former team. Yea that's the guy who deserves it.
 
<font color=""Red"">You say the Carter is what makes the Nets winners. Yes? If that's the case, then he failed us twice.</font>

Look here, he put you into definitely a better position than you were in before he came.

<font color=""red"">Once again, wouldn't that be Carter's fault</font>

You blaming Carter? You wouldn't even be in the playoffs if it weren't for him.

<font color=""red"">And Carter does? A guy who didn't play hard and ended up screwing over his former team. Yea that's the guy who deserves it.</font>
He does and your team DOES NOT.
 
<div class="quote_poster">hollagr8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"><font color=""Red"">You say the Carter is what makes the Nets winners. Yes? If that's the case, then he failed us twice.</font>

Look here, he put you into definitely a better position than you were in before he came.

<font color=""red"">Once again, wouldn't that be Carter's fault</font>

You blaming Carter? You wouldn't even be in the playoffs if it weren't for him.

<font color=""red"">And Carter does? A guy who didn't play hard and ended up screwing over his former team. Yea that's the guy who deserves it.</font>
He does and your team DOES NOT.</div>

Jeez man I guess Carter left some bad blood up there in Canada....
 
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Jeez man I guess Carter left some bad blood up there in Canada....</div>

Nah, just hate the Nets and love Carter.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Look here, he put you into definitely a better position than you were in before he came.</div>

Agreed but where would Carter be without the Nets?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You blaming Carter? You wouldn't even be in the playoffs if it weren't for him</div>

You intend to say that Carter is the engine that keeps the Nets going. When he plays well we win right? So when we lose the blame does not go on Carter. It's the Nets fault when we lose, but when we win it's because of Carter.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He does and your team DOES NOT.</div>

Why does he deserve it? Let's go into details. Does he deserve a ring more than Kidd?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nah, just hate the Nets and love Carter.</div>

You just hate us because we don't treat him like god. We expose his fauls unlike you.
 
umm nets are better bcause last year, the whole bench consisted of cliff robinson, this year along with cliff is an improven wright, an eddit house who can be a factor, an imrpoved and determined nacbar, and also a great rookie in williams, so yes with the nets bench this year they have a shot, because im sure that the nets had the best starting 5 by that web site (dont rmeber but pretty sure) so when you have the best starting 5, and only one bench player its hard to argue that the nets had a chance last year, and last yea is the same as this year.

regardless the season is young, maybe the best player on every other eastern confrence team gets hurt and the nets win it, (you never know lol)
 
<div class="quote_poster">hollagr8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Nah, just hate the Nets and love Carter.</div>

If you hate the Nets so much get you're ass out of our forum we don't need people like you who will bash the Nets at every chance they get.
 
<font color=""Red"">Agreed but where would Carter be without the Nets?</font>

You'll soon see when he goes to Orlando and screws you. I'll be happy and laughing then.

<font color=""red"">You intend to say that Carter is the engine that keeps the Nets going. When he plays well we win right? So when we lose the blame does not go on Carter. It's the Nets fault when we lose, but when we win it's because of Carter.</font>

You'll lose, more times than not without him.

<font color=""red"">Why does he deserve it? Let's go into details. Does he deserve a ring more than Kidd?</font>

Not that you'll get it. Yes, he is the MAN on this team no matter how you slice it. Kidd was better because of Kenyon and Kittles and now he's better because of Carter, so yes, Carter, Kenyon and Kittles deserve it more than Kidd.

<font color=""Red"">You just hate us because we don't treat him like god. We expose his fauls unlike you.</font>

Well, you'll always blame Carter and expose his faults, never anything positive, such as: "Oh thank goodness Carter came and rescued us from the bottom feeding East (which is were you guys were heading prior to the trade)". What a bs trade, Babcock should be sued by Canada for those actions.
 
<div class="quote_poster">hollagr8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"><font color=""Red"">Agreed but where would Carter be without the Nets?</font>

You'll soon see when he goes to Orlando and screws you. I'll be happy and laughing then.

<font color=""red"">You intend to say that Carter is the engine that keeps the Nets going. When he plays well we win right? So when we lose the blame does not go on Carter. It's the Nets fault when we lose, but when we win it's because of Carter.</font>

You'll lose, more times than not without him.

<font color=""red"">Why does he deserve it? Let's go into details. Does he deserve a ring more than Kidd?</font>

Not that you'll get it. Yes, he is the MAN on this team no matter how you slice it. Kidd was better because of Kenyon and Kittles and now he's better because of Carter, so yes, Carter, Kenyon and Kittles deserve it more than Kidd.

<font color=""Red"">You just hate us because we don't treat him like god. We expose his fauls unlike you.</font>

Well, you'll always blame Carter and expose his faults, never anything positive, such as: "Oh thank goodness Carter came and rescued us from the bottom feeding East (which is were you guys were heading prior to the trade)". What a bs trade, Babcock should be sued by Canada for those actions, or maybe we should look towards New Jersey and illegal activities.</div>

WOW, you're comments say how idiotic you really are.
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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You'll soon see when he goes to Orlando and screws you. I'll be happy and laughing then.</div>

How old are you?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Not that you'll get it. Yes, he is the MAN on this team no matter how you slice it. Kidd was better because of Kenyon and Kittles and now he's better because of Carter, so yes, Carter, Kenyon and Kittles deserve it more than Kidd.</div>

Oh my. You just have no knowledge of basketball do you? So your saying that Carter, Kenyon and Kittles deserve it more than Kidd?

It's kinda funny how Kidd made Dallas, Phoenix and Nets all better teams. Where were you they before he came? He made each of the teams and players winners. That's all I'm gonna say because your just simply bias. Ask any true basketball fan, and they will say Kidd deserves it more than Carter.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, you'll always blame Carter and expose his faults, never anything positive, such as: "Oh thank goodness Carter came and rescued us from the bottom feeding East</div>

You say enough postive things for the both of us.
 
lol @ hollagr8's wierd love for VC.

I agree with phunDamentalz and Marty Burns. The Nets are not a premier team, but they aren't a mediocre Eastern Conference team, either. They're kind of stuck in limbo, where their strong starting lineup masks their weak bench and frontcourt. You have to be open to the possibility that a team like that may be able to get hot in the playoffs and sneak their way into the later rounds of the playoffs, but it's really a longshot, IMO. I put their ceiling at the 2nd round. I think it's about time that the Nets' management realized that they breaking up the "Big 3" to acquire depth would actually increase their chances to contend. Unfortunately, they missed their chance to cash in big on VC last season.
 
What Chutney said, and Burns.

I think they are like a darkhorse, but probably need the opposing team in the 2nd round to have a key injury to make it past.

I also like Chicago as a darkhorse.
 
<div class="quote_poster">hollagr8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post"><font color=""Red"">Agreed but where would Carter be without the Nets?</font>

You'll soon see when he goes to Orlando and screws you. I'll be happy and laughing then.

<font color=""red"">You intend to say that Carter is the engine that keeps the Nets going. When he plays well we win right? So when we lose the blame does not go on Carter. It's the Nets fault when we lose, but when we win it's because of Carter.</font>

You'll lose, more times than not without him.

<font color=""red"">Why does he deserve it? Let's go into details. Does he deserve a ring more than Kidd?</font>

Not that you'll get it. Yes, he is the MAN on this team no matter how you slice it. Kidd was better because of Kenyon and Kittles and now he's better because of Carter, so yes, Carter, Kenyon and Kittles deserve it more than Kidd.
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You are shooting blanks. As good as Carter may be, Jason Kidd has achieved more than him. And that's a FACT. Seeing that you are able to make posts, I'll assume that you can use the internet to look up facts and stats about Jason Kidd. Vince Carter's addition to the Nets, while welcomed, does not mean the city owes him that much. If anything, Carter owes more than the Nets does. Understand this though, Carter is one of the Nets vital piece, but if your looking for the Nets' franchise player, it's the Hall of Fame bound Jason Kidd. If Carter leaves, the Nets will move on, it's something that every team goes through. Laugh all you want, but reality is, your just pissed off that you don't have him on your team.
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For the benefit of Hollagr8.

Vince Carter's achievements:

7-time NBA All-Star selection:
2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006;2002
2-time All-NBA:
Second Team: 2001
Third Team: 2000
NBA Slam Dunk Champion 2000
NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1999
NBA Rookie of the Year Award: 1999

Jason Kidd's achievements:

7-time NBA All-Star: 1996, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004
6-time All-NBA:
First Team: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004
Second Team: 2003
8-time All-Defensive Selection:
First Team: 1999, 2001, 2002, 2006
Second Team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2005
NBA co-Rookie of the Year: 1995 (with Grant Hill)
NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1995
5-time NBA regular-season leader, assists per game: 1999 (10.8), 2000 (10.1), 2001 (9.8), 2003 (8.9), 2004 (9.2)
3-time NBA regular-season leader, total assists: 1999 (539), 2001 (753), 2003 (711)
NBA regular-season leader, total steals: 2002 (175)
NBA All-Star Skills Competition champion: 2003

There's actually more for Kidd, but this should be enough. If you want more facts, just ask any of us here so your comments won't look as dumb as they are.
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<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lol @ hollagr8's wierd love for VC.

I agree with phunDamentalz and Marty Burns. The Nets are not a premier team, but they aren't a mediocre Eastern Conference team, either. They're kind of stuck in limbo, where their strong starting lineup masks their weak bench and frontcourt. You have to be open to the possibility that a team like that may be able to get hot in the playoffs and sneak their way into the later rounds of the playoffs, but it's really a longshot, IMO. I put their ceiling at the 2nd round. I think it's about time that the Nets' management realized that they breaking up the "Big 3" to acquire depth would actually increase their chances to contend. Unfortunately, they missed their chance to cash in big on VC last season.</div>

Finally, someone with a little sense than you biased AMS_ice and whomever else without intelligence (Kidd). Though you're giving them way too much credit Chutney, they will sneak into the playoffs and get pounded by Cleveland.
 
<div class="quote_poster">AMS_ice Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">For the benefit of Hollagr8.

Vince Carter's achievements:

7-time NBA All-Star selection:
2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006;2002
2-time All-NBA:
Second Team: 2001
Third Team: 2000
NBA Slam Dunk Champion 2000
NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1999
NBA Rookie of the Year Award: 1999

Jason Kidd's achievements:

7-time NBA All-Star: 1996, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004
6-time All-NBA:
First Team: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004
Second Team: 2003
8-time All-Defensive Selection:
First Team: 1999, 2001, 2002, 2006
Second Team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2005
NBA co-Rookie of the Year: 1995 (with Grant Hill)
NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1995
5-time NBA regular-season leader, assists per game: 1999 (10.8), 2000 (10.1), 2001 (9.8), 2003 (8.9), 2004 (9.2)
3-time NBA regular-season leader, total assists: 1999 (539), 2001 (753), 2003 (711)
NBA regular-season leader, total steals: 2002 (175)
NBA All-Star Skills Competition champion: 2003

There's actually more for Kidd, but this should be enough. If you want more facts, just ask any of us here so your comments won't look as dumb as they are.
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Duh, Kidd's been in the league longer. Umm, AMS_ice, how many times do you want to bring up his credentials, I mean, are you carrying his baby or something? I mean, there is a reason to go crazy over Carter and his flash. Kidd, not so much. Also, if you notice, it's never about scoring. How BORING. When you're not as talented like Kidd is, you can only depend on defense. Case in point. BEN WALLACE, BORRRRRRING!!!!!!!! Hold on, co-rookie, we all know that Grant was the real rookie of the year. Kidd must have been getting it on with Stern for that.
 
<div class="quote_poster">hollagr8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Finally, someone with a little sense than you biased AMS_ice and whomever else without intelligence (Kidd). Though you're giving them way too much credit Chutney, they will sneak into the playoffs and get pounded by Cleveland.</div>
Well no. I think you're underestimating how unpredictable and weak the Eastern Conference is. I personally think that their starting lineup has enough firepower to bring them into the playoffs and maybe even into the 2nd round. Kidd, AMS_ice, and most of the other Nets fans feel that they've brought in enough young talent for the bench to sneak a little bit farther. And you obviously feel that VC is the only thing holding this team up and they're going to be blown out in the 1st round. None of these viewpoints can really be proven without a doubt, because, as Burns seemed to be arguing, any team can get hot during the playoffs and surprise everyone. The difference is that Kidd, AMS_ice, and I have provided coherent, reasonable arguments, while you've brought nothing but insults and an unexplainable contempt for the Nets franchise.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well no. I think you're underestimating how unpredictable and weak the Eastern Conference is. I personally think that their starting lineup has enough firepower to bring them into the playoffs and maybe even into the 2nd round. Kidd, AMS_ice, and most of the other Nets fans feel that they've brought in enough young talent for the bench to sneak a little bit farther. And you obviously feel that VC is the only thing holding this team up and they're going to be blown out in the 1st round. None of these viewpoints can really be proven without a doubt, because, as Burns seemed to be arguing, any team can get hot during the playoffs and surprise everyone. The difference is that Kidd, AMS_ice, and I have provided coherent, reasonable arguments, while you've brought nothing but insults and an unexplainable contempt for the Nets franchise.</div>

Contempt yes. You are smart, on the other hand AMS_ice and Kidd are re-tar-ded.
 
<div class="quote_poster">hollagr8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Contempt yes. You are smart, on the other hand AMS_ice and Kidd are re-tar-ded.</div>


Did you read that?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The difference is that Kidd, AMS_ice, and I have provided coherent, reasonable arguments, while you've brought nothing but insults and an unexplainable contempt for the Nets franchise.</div>
 
<div class="quote_poster">hollagr8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Duh, Kidd's been in the league longer. Umm, AMS_ice, how many times do you want to bring up his credentials, I mean, are you carrying his baby or something? I mean, there is a reason to go crazy over Carter and his flash. Kidd, not so much. Also, if you notice, it's never about scoring. How BORING. When you're not as talented like Kidd is, you can only depend on defense. Case in point. BEN WALLACE, BORRRRRRING!!!!!!!! Hold on, co-rookie, we all know that Grant was the real rookie of the year. Kidd must have been getting it on with Stern for that.</div>

ARE YOU AN IDIOT??? You are turning this thread to Vince Carter vs. Jason Kidd. You can't compare the two. Kidd has been in the league longer and has more accomplishments. Kidd is a passer and Carter is a scorer. You can not compare the two unless you are look at who is more valuable. Without Kidd the Nets could fall apart and without Carter the Nets will fall apart. Even without Richard Jefferson the Nets will not be as good as they are right now. Like I said before <u>think</u> before you post.

<div class="quote_poster">hollagr8 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Contempt yes. You are smart, on the other hand AMS_ice and Kidd are re-tar-ded.</div>

If they don't agree with you, it doesn't make them retarded, it actually makes them look smarter cause they aren't agreeing with someone who has never watched a Nets game in their life.
 
Hollagr8's problem is that he wants Carter on his team so bad. So what's the next best thing for someone as desperate as he is? It's to resolve to low, childish tactics. You can compare Carter and Kidd all you want and try to divide the Nets fans through your posts. But fact is, both are on the Nets team and both have formed a partership which will bring the Nets further than your dumb ass think. And another fact, Carter is not on your team!
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And why am I always putting up Kidd's credentials? Its for people like you, who doesn't know fact from fiction.
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