Bursting the Bazemore Bubble

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Then the coaching staff isnt doing their job. Its not hard to coach a screen. If you cant get players to set proper screens, thats on you.

Setting a proper screen and being good at setting screens, and making reads from them isnt the same thing though. Meyers is a better screener than Zach (right now) because he’s got wider shoulders and isnt a twig. I dont think Moe and Meyers are bad at screens because they dont know “how” to set a screen, but because neither of them have very good body types for it, and then both make pretty slow reads off it. Were getting way off topic, but we can say Moe and Aminu’s problems are the coaching staff if you want too.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I guess we'll find out. But..................

Am I the only one who thinks that it's odd to compare the stats of 2 guys the other team basically doesn't guard
to a player the other team does guard?

It just seems to me that this is the type of logic that says Biebs (3fg% of .450) is much, much better than
Lillard whose 3fg% was .369.

Sorry for Bursting the "Bursting the Bazemore Bubble" Bubble.

 

[JDC]

So thats all there is to a flow offense huh? Talk about oversimplification.
Ive studied multiple full length games looking for these types of action and havent found them. We run in transition the least out of any team in the NBA.

Step ups, drags and wide pins are our primary secondary break actions that we run multiple times a game.

If you can't identify those, I'm not sure you know what you're look for.

Pure transition? Yes we do not excel, but don't have the personnel to be that type of team.

We are lacking finishers, open court athletes / handlers / decision makers to be an uptempo team. Our conservative defensive scheme also doesn't produce very many live ball turnovers.

Could we better? Absolutely yes. And Bazemore and Little is a step in the right direction.

 

[BonesJones]

Setting a proper screen and being good at setting screens, and making reads from them isnt the same thing though. Meyers is a better screener than Zach (right now) because he’s got wider shoulders and isnt a twig. I dont think Moe and Meyers are bad at screens because they dont know “how” to set a screen, but because neither of them have very good body types for it, and then both make pretty slow reads off it. Were getting way off topic, but we can say Moe and Aminu’s problems are the coaching staff if you want too.

Thats something that can be taught though. So many excuses for players not having basic basketball skills that are then used as a crutch for Stotts...

Its like "Moe cant set proper screens so we have to have him stand in the corner but he also cant shoot so its not Stotts fault his offense is stagnant"...

It should be - "Stotts needs to teach our players how to properly screen and read so that we can utilize that more to help create more movement in our offense so it isnt so stagnant and predictable".

 

[JDC]

Thats something that can be taught though. So many excuses for players not having basic basketball skills that are then used as a crutch for Stotts...

Its like "Moe cant set proper screens so we have to have him stand in the corner but he also cant shoot so its not Stotts fault his offense is stagnant"...

It should be - "Stotts needs to teach our pplayers how to properly screen and read so that we can utilize that more to help create more movement in our offense so it isnt so stagnant and predictable".

We ran so much split action with Moe (as the screener) and Lillard out of our delay set....

We fucking milked that shit some games...

Do you not remember any of that?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

We ran so much split action with Moe (as the screener) and Lillard out of our delay set....

We fucking milked that shit some games...

Do you not remember any of that?

I remember some of that, but I dont think Moe is a good screener, though I think he’s better than Chief.

 

[BonesJones]

Step ups, drags and wide pins are our primary secondary break actions that we run multiple times a game.

If you can identify those, I'm not sure you know what you're look for.

Pure transition? Yes we do not excel, but don't have the personnel to be that type of team.

We are lacking finishers, open court athletes / handlers / decision makers to be an uptempo team. Our conservative defense scheme also doesn't produce very many live ball turnovers.

Could we better? Absolutely yes. And Bazemore and Little is a step in the right direction.

We dont have the personel to run? Thats the type of excuse I'm talking about. Harkles srun well. Aminu runs well for a PF. Dames one of the fastest PGs in the league. SG isnt slow either. You dont need 3 or 4 ball handlers to run a fastbreak offense. Outlet and go. Leak out and hit ahead. Theres no excuse to be bottom 5 in the league in fastbreak points year after year with the roster we have...

Sacremento was 1st. Who the hell are their forwards? Barnes and Bjelica...?

Atlanta at 8... with John Collins and Bazemore...

Even when we had Batum, we still didnt run. Weve been in the bottom 10 in the league in fastbreak points ever year that Stotts has been coach.

 

[BonesJones]

We ran so much split action with Moe (as the screener) and Lillard out of our delay set....

We fucking milked that shit some games...

Do you not remember any of that?

Theres been multiple games where weve barely ran that (if at all). You know I study tape as much as amyone so I dont know why youre picking this battle.

The thing is, I could show you 100 possessions in a row and you still woudnt concede. I could show you tons of stats like us being in the bottom 5 in assists per game the last 3 years, like us regularly being in the top 5 in both seconds and dribbles per touch. But you still wont give a shred of blame towards the offensive system or the coaching staff. Its always about how our forwards suck and are to blame for everything. Thats not fair at all.

 

[calvin natt]

I don’t think there’s a bubble to burst on this. They got him for Evan Turner. A guy most would trade for a case of Gatorade and a new elliptical machine.

 

[JDC]

We dont have the personel to run? Thats the type of excuse I'm talking about. Harkles srun well. Aminu runs well for a PF. Dames one of the fastest PGs in the league. SG isnt slow either. You dont need 3 or 4 ball handlers to run a fastbreak offense. Outlet and go. Leak out and hit ahead. Theres no excuse to be bottom 5 in the league in fastbreak points year after year with the roster we have...

Sacremento was 1st. Who the hell are their forwards? Barnes and Bjelica...?

Atlanta at 8... with John Collins and Bazemore...

Even when we had Batum, we still didnt run. Weve been in the bottom 10 in the league in fastbreak points ever year that Stotts has been coach.

Fox and Young thrive in transition

Barnes and Bjelcia are better handlers and decision makers in transition than Hark/Aminu

Collins, Bazemore, Prince, Bagley, Cauley Stein, Giles...all very good open court athetes that also lack half court skill level.

Is part of it philosophy? Yes.

But pace and offensive efficiency (and net rating) aren't as positively correlated as you'd think. There's drawbacks (defensive rebounding / turnover rate (namely live ball) as well.

 

[BonesJones]

Fox and Young thrive in transition

Barnes and Bjelcia are better handlers an decision makers in transition than Hark/Aminu

Collins, Bazemore, Prince, Bagley, Cauley Stein, Giles...all very good open court athetes that also lack half court skill level.

Is part of it philosophy? Yes.

But pace and offensive efficiency isn't as positively correlated as you'd think. There's drawbacks (defensive rebounding / turnover rate (namely live ball) as well.

Moe is a great open court athlete. Better than all the guys you listed. Hes not a noticeably worse ball handler than Bjelica, Barnes, Collins etc.

And you dont need to have advanced ball handling to be effective in the break
Most of it is straigh-line dribbling.

Aminu isnt a bad open court athlete or ball handler for a PF either. His ball handling improved mightily the past year and was trashed by Blazer fans far too much.

Fast break basketball would reduce the number of silly possessions we have drivbling the ball near halfcourt with maybe a single pointless pass or two that occurs 30ft away from the hoop that ends withone of our fantastic gaurds shooting a tough shit (which they make at a high enough clip to keep Terry his job).

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Moe is a great open court athlete. Better than all the guys you listed. Hes not a noticeably worse ball handler than Bjelica, Barnes, Collins etc.

And you dont need to have advanced ball handling to be effective in the break
Most of it is straigh-line dribbling.

Aminu isnt a bad open court athlete or ball handler for a PF either. His ball handling improved mightily the past year and was trashed by Blazer fans far too much.

Fast break basketball would reduce the number of silly possessions we have drivbling the ball near halfcourt with maybe a single pointless pass or two that occurs 30ft away from the hoop that ends withone of our fantastic gaurds shooting a tough shit (which they make at a high enough clip to keep Terry his job).

I think Barnes is a better ball handler than Aminu / Moe. I know chief has gotten better but it seems like Barnes is much more natural with the ball than either of them. Overall I don't know why the Blazers don't run more, but what I find really annoying is how bad they are when they do run. I'm not blaming anyone in particular but the Blazers have ran some of the ugliest fast breaks I have seen in my life the last 5-10ish year...
Moe's a really good open court athlete, but the Blazers seems much more content to jog the ball up.

 

[BonesJones]

I think Barnes is a better ball handler than Aminu / Moe. I know chief has gotten better but it seems like Barnes is much more natural with the ball than either of them. Overall I don't know why the Blazers don't run more, but what I find really annoying is how bad they are when they do run. I'm not blaming anyone in particular but the Blazers have ran some of the ugliest fast breaks I have seen in my life the last 5-10ish year...
Moe's a really good open court athlete, but the Blazers seems much more content to jog the ball up.

Exactly. We start so many possessions with half the shot clock gone, and a lot of them are basic perimeter motion thays not hard to guard and takes too long to develop, so our offense dissolves into 1-on-1 isolation. It's so frustrating to watch.

 

[JDC]

We largely have poor athletes off one foot minus Aminu and Hark who are both below average handlers and decision makers that are trusted to lead the break.

We also play two bigs a lot of the time.

We crash the defensive glass

Don't force live ball turnovers.

Also don't think Dame CJ are natural transition players and are happy to rely on their half court skill and shooting if an obvious advantage isnt there.

Don't have many teammates that you can trust on a hit ahead pass to make a quality decision.

YES WE COULD BE BETTER!!!

But this ain't all on Terry.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Exactly. We start so many possessions with half the shot clock gone, and a lot of them are basic perimeter motion thays not hard to guard and takes too long to develop, so our offense dissolves into 1-on-1 isolation. It's so frustrating to watch.

It can be, but they run a fast break and play hot potato with the ball till it falls out of bounds and at times I'm not sure which one I'd rather they did heh..

 

[JDC]

Exactly. We start so many possessions with half the shot clock gone, and a lot of them are basic perimeter motion thays not hard to guard and takes too long to develop, so our offense dissolves into 1-on-1 isolation. It's so frustrating to watch.

While Terry often urges Dame and CJ to push it...

 

[JDC]

I hate having to be a Stotts apologist.

But some of you guys just bring it out of me...

 

[BonesJones]

It can be, but they run a fast break and play hot potato with the ball till it falls out of bounds and at times I'm not sure which one I'd rather they did heh..

In 2292 minutes last year, Aminu only had 72 turnovers. Thats 1.1 TOV Per 36 minutes.

In 1415 minutes last year, Harkless only had 45 turnovers. Thats also 1.1 TOV per 36 minutes.

Their "turnover issues" are greatly overexagerated.

 

[BonesJones]

While Terry often urges Dame and CJ to push it...

And they tune him out? Yikes.

 

[JDC]

And they tune him out? Yikes.

Shocked you'd spin it that way...

 

[BonesJones]

We largely have poor athletes off one foot minus Aminu and Hark who are both below average handlers and decision makers that are trusted to lead the break.

We also play two bigs a lot of the time.

We crash the defensive glass

Don't force live ball turnovers.

Also don't think Dame CJ are natural transition players and are happy to rely on their half court skill and shooting if an obvious advantage isnt there.

Don't have many teammates that you can trust on a hit ahead pass to make a quality decision.

YES WE COULD BE BETTER!!!

But this ain't all on Terry.

Poor athletes off one foot is why were consistently bottom 5 in fast break points...?

Dame scored a lot in transition in college. Saw it early in his career and its been slowly phased out of him.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I hate having to be a Stotts apologist.

But some of you guys just bring it out of me...

Well, I'm not really attacking Stotts... I could if you'd like lol.

This does bring up something that I think is strange of the Blazers teams since Stotts has been here. Every year they generally are a "good" PNR team, a "good "1vs1, team mainly because of Dame and CJ, and the other thing they seem to be "elite" at is rebounding, which is important. However, the Blazers don't ever seem to be elite defensively, or elite offensively (though when Dame or CJ are on they have night's their pretty freaking hard to slow down). I almost feel like at times they don't know what they want to be. Like he's yelling at them to run, but then they don't seem to know their roles in transition, they all seem much more comfortable in the half court.
They rarely get easy buckets, for their best players.
It's... odd.

 

[JDC]

Poor athletes off one foot is why were consistently bottom 5 in fast break points...?

Dame scored a lot in transition in college. Saw it early in his career and its been slowly phased out of him.

It's a part of it.

Along with all the other things I've listed, which includes Terry's philosophies on both ends.

 

[JDC]

Well, I'm not really attacking Stotts... I could if you'd like lol.

This does bring up something that I think is strange of the Blazers teams since Stotts has been here. Every year they generally are a "good" PNR team, a "good "1vs1, team mainly because of Dame and CJ, and the other thing they seem to be "elite" at is rebounding, which is important. However, the Blazers don't ever seem to be elite defensively, or elite offensively (though when Dame or CJ are on they have night's their pretty freaking hard to slow down). I almost feel like at times they don't know what they want to be. Like he's yelling at them to run, but then they don't seem to know their roles in transition, they all seem much more comfortable in the half court.
They rarely get easy buckets, for their best players.
It's... odd.

They've never had elite personnel on either end.

Starting Dame and CJ forces you to make some sacrifices offensively to balance the team.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

In 2292 minutes last year, Aminu only had 72 turnovers. Thats 1.1 TOV Per 36 minutes.

In 1415 minutes last year, Harkless only had 45 turnovers. Thats also 1.1 TOV per 36 minutes.

Their "turnover issues" are greatly overexagerated.

I did not mean Moe / Aminu's turnover's I meant the team in general in transition turn's the ball over or gets ugly attempts. The Blazers are simply not good at running fast breaks. Their best combination was Turner and Layman.

 

[JDC]

In 2292 minutes last year, Aminu only had 72 turnovers. Thats 1.1 TOV Per 36 minutes.

In 1415 minutes last year, Harkless only had 45 turnovers. Thats also 1.1 TOV per 36 minutes.

Their "turnover issues" are greatly overexagerated.

We don't let them handle the ball much.

And for good fucking reason.

 

[BonesJones]

Shocked you'd spin it that way...

I want a coach that can get through to his players.

 

[BonesJones]

We don't let them handle the ball much.

And for good fucking reason.

So they fill the lanes on the break then. Outlet to a guard and go. Leak out. Its not hard.

 

[BonesJones]

I did not mean Moe / Aminu's turnover's I meant the team in general in transition turn's the ball over or gets ugly attempts. The Blazers are simply not good at running fast breaks. Their best combination was Turner and Layman.

Hm, you're right. Its almost as if theyre not used to it.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

They've never had elite personnel on either end.

Starting Dame and CJ forces you to make some sacrifices offensively to balance the team.

Id sort of agree, but I think that a good coach but their foot print on a team, and what the coach values the team will eventually be good at those things and not as good at the things he doesnt value.