Bursting the Bazemore Bubble

[CupWizier]

I think Barnes is a better ball handler than Aminu / Moe. I know chief has gotten better but it seems like Barnes is much more natural with the ball than either of them. Overall I don't know why the Blazers don't run more, but what I find really annoying is how bad they are when they do run. I'm not blaming anyone in particular but the Blazers have ran some of the ugliest fast breaks I have seen in my life the last 5-10ish year...
Moe's a really good open court athlete, but the Blazers seems much more content to jog the ball up.

What's funny is how many blame Stotts for the Blazers not pushing the tempo when the issue is obviously Lillard, just like it was when Roy was here. Players are comfortable playing a certain style and obviously Lillard and Roy are ones that liked the tempo to be at their pace. I have seen Stotts many times telling the players to push the ball so I don't see him as the issue. Not every player likes to run and we have had success with both Roy and Lillard running the offense.

 

[CupWizier]

I want a coach that can get through to his players.

We have one. Just listen to the players rather than your jaded opinion of the coach.

 

[Reep]

What's funny is how many blame Stotts for the Blazers not pushing the tempo when the issue is obviously Lillard, just like it was when Roy was here. Players are comfortable playing a certain style and obviously Lillard and Roy are ones that liked the tempo to be at their pace. I have seen Stotts many times telling the players to push the ball so I don't see him as the issue. Not every player likes to run and we have had success with both Roy and Lillard running the offense.

I do think Stotts gets a lot of blame for things that the players just don't do. But, Stotts isn't the type that would let the outside world know that. I also think it is harder to manage egos and team chemistry that people think. Many propose grandiose changes, without considering how that effects team chemistry. However, I do think Stotts has failed a couple times in the playoffs to make and implement adjustments needed to turn a series. He isn't perfect, but still may be the best overall coach for the team at this time. I would just prefer it if he got a really good defensive coordinator to help him on that side of the ball.

 

[kjironman1]

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Zipper

Delay

Chin

Early offense: step ups, single and double drags, wide pins, pistol action...

That's the main stuff Terry runs.

Flex? Nope.

Bones would have a wet dream though.

GIVE ME ALL THE CROSS SCREENS!!!

Stotts doesn’t have Nowitski right now.
If he did or a comparable player to Dirk in his prime you would see more flex. You watched it when LA was here.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What's funny is how many blame Stotts for the Blazers not pushing the tempo when the issue is obviously Lillard, just like it was when Roy was here. Players are comfortable playing a certain style and obviously Lillard and Roy are ones that liked the tempo to be at their pace. I have seen Stotts many times telling the players to push the ball so I don't see him as the issue. Not every player likes to run and we have had success with both Roy and Lillard running the offense.

This is an interesting take, because on one hand, you're saying that Lillard plays at his own tempo despite Stotts telling the players to push, whereas on the other hand you're saying he has no problem getting through to his players.

To this point though, I'm curious (and I have no idea, because I haven't attempted to do the research) whether there's an appreciable difference in pace between when Dame is on vs. off the floor.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don’t know why you’re comparing him to Turner.

We didn’t get him to replace Turner in the rotation. Turner was our backup point guard, for all intents and purposes.

Baze was brought in as a replacement for Hood most likely.

 

[Hey]

One of them only shoots three's when completely wide open and still can't hit at league average. There's the difference in your stats.

 

[CupWizier]

This is an interesting take, because on one hand, you're saying that Lillard plays at his own tempo despite Stotts telling the players to push, whereas on the other hand you're saying he has no problem getting through to his players.

To this point though, I'm curious (and I have no idea, because I haven't attempted to do the research) whether there's an appreciable difference in pace between when Dame is on vs. off the floor.

A coach can still get through to his players on majority of all issues even if there are times where they don't necessarily match up. .I don't see it as a problem and I doubt any coach sees eye to eye with all players on every issue.

 

[CupWizier]

I don’t know why you’re comparing him to Turner.

We didn’t get him to replace Turner in the rotation. Turner was our backup point guard, for all intents and purposes.

Baze was brought in as a replacement for Hood most likely.

He was likely brought in to take some of both of their minutes as well as some of Curry's and there is still a [possibility that Hood could be back.

 

[wizenheimer]

To this point though, I'm curious (and I have no idea, because I haven't attempted to do the research) whether there's an appreciable difference in pace between when Dame is on vs. off the floor.

this season:

Pace with Dame on floor: 100.0
Pace with Dame off floor: 96.3

+3.7 is the biggest differential of all the rotation players. Last season, Dame's diffential was +5.4, by far the biggest differential. the year before, +2.6. CJ's differential over the same time were +1.4, +1.0, and +0.5

that shows me that those blaming Dame for Portland's lack of transition and lower pace are pointing fingers in the wrong direction. It's a bogus claim, at least in comparison to everybody else on the team, especially the coach

 

[dviss1]

What a gross over simplification

Not at all. He spoke about the things they don't seem to be coached to do.

 

[dviss1]

Meyers is a better screener than Zach (right now) because he’s got wider shoulders and isnt a twig.

Meyers is a better screener than Nurkic...

 

[dviss1]

this season:

Pace with Dame on floor: 100.0
Pace with Dame off floor: 96.3

+3.7 is the biggest differential of all the rotation players. Last season, Dame's diffential was +5.4, by far the biggest differential. the year before, +2.6. CJ's differential over the same time were +1.4, +1.0, and +0.5

that shows me that those blaming Dame for Portland's lack of transition and lower pace are pointing fingers in the wrong direction. It's a bogus claim, at least in comparison to everybody else on the team, especially the coach

THIS.

You must have wing players to get wide and bigs that rim run.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Meyers is a better screener than Nurkic...

I’d agree with that, Nurk is like a million times better at rolling after the screen though, and resetting the screen.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Then the coaching staff isnt doing their job. Its not hard to coach a screen. If you cant get players to set proper screens, thats on you.

I disagree with this 100% and anyone in management would do the same.

Some people are able/capable of learning. Some aren't.
Yes you try to teach in ways the recipient will grasp, but sometimes it just cant be grasped no matter who or how its explained.

To just say its on the coach is very ignorant as to the many different ways people learn and don't learn.

 

[hoopsjock]

this season:

Pace with Dame on floor: 100.0
Pace with Dame off floor: 96.3

+3.7 is the biggest differential of all the rotation players. Last season, Dame's diffential was +5.4, by far the biggest differential. the year before, +2.6. CJ's differential over the same time were +1.4, +1.0, and +0.5

that shows me that those blaming Dame for Portland's lack of transition and lower pace are pointing fingers in the wrong direction. It's a bogus claim, at least in comparison to everybody else on the team, especially the coach

How dare you bring stats to this argument!

 

[B-Roy]

this season:

Pace with Dame on floor: 100.0
Pace with Dame off floor: 96.3

+3.7 is the biggest differential of all the rotation players. Last season, Dame's diffential was +5.4, by far the biggest differential. the year before, +2.6. CJ's differential over the same time were +1.4, +1.0, and +0.5

that shows me that those blaming Dame for Portland's lack of transition and lower pace are pointing fingers in the wrong direction. It's a bogus claim, at least in comparison to everybody else on the team, especially the coach

An interesting stat, but pace doesn't correlate directly with fast breaks. I don't if there is any data to break down the types of plays that are run when a player is on the floor or not, but I have a SNEAKY suspicion that part of the differential is due to the pull-up 3s that Dame takes after crossing half court with only 6-7 seconds coming off the shot clock. (That many people HATE) That will speed up the number of possessions for sure.

 

[kjironman1]

Then the coaching staff isnt doing their job. Its not hard to coach a screen. If you cant get players to set proper screens, thats on you.

This is ludicrous. You even supposedly played the game. Just because you want to be right? It shows a lack of experience and that you have even less experience teaching or coaching. The world and people in it just don’t work that way. Even at the professional level.

 

[BonesJones]

This is ludicrous. You even supposedly played the game. Just because you want to be right? It shows a lack of experience and that you have even less experience teaching or coaching. The world and people in it just don’t work that way. Even at the professional level.

I have more experience doing both than the majority of this board so its funny that you chose that route, just because you disagree with me.

 

[BonesJones]

I disagree with this 100% and anyone in management would do the same.

Some people are able/capable of learning. Some aren't.
Yes you try to teach in ways the recipient will grasp, but sometimes it just cant be grasped no matter who or how its explained.

To just say its on the coach is very ignorant as to the many different ways people learn and don't learn.

Anyone can learn how to set a screen. I love how some people are acting like it's impossible for some players.

It's not rocket science bro. Anyone whos made the NBA has learned the game enough to get there and you're telling me that some NBA players cant be coached on how to set a screen? smh.

 

[tlongII]

Meyers is a better screener than Nurkic...

No way.

 

[kjironman1]

I have more experience doing both than the majority of this board so its funny that you chose that route, just because you disagree with me.

Just shows youth and inexperience. Not a bad thing. But your opinion will change with age. I've taught and coached now for decades. I guarantee you some players and people simply don't do some things well. Doesn't mean they don't do other things well. But even more so a bad coach tries to get players to do things they don't do well. A perfect example was Nate trying to make Crawford a PG because Felton flat out sucked that year. Not Nate's fault but you cannot put a square peg in a round hole.
Against certain teams Harkless had the size and mobility to set screens. Against others he didn't. In the playoffs Aminu got smoked by Milsap. Turner was better. Are you going to say Turner was a better defensive player?
Experience would lead you to knowing the difference but here you are taking a swing at every pitch. Things simply are not as cut and dried as you are proposing about coaching. If you had all this experience you would know better. This is why i question your experience and mark it down to youth. The comments i read that you write come across as very very young.
Now back to the subject- Stotts can try to teach Harkless to screen all day long but in the end size and strength play a huge role. You of all people should know this.

 

[BonesJones]

Just shows youth and inexperience. Not a bad thing. But your opinion will change with age. I've taught and coached now for decades. I guarantee you some players and people simply don't do some things well. Doesn't mean they don't do other things well. But even more so a bad coach tries to get players to do things they don't do well. A perfect example was Nate trying to make Crawford a PG because Felton flat out sucked that year. Not Nate's fault but you cannot put a square peg in a round hole.
Against certain teams Harkless had the size and mobility to set screens. Against others he didn't. In the playoffs Aminu got smoked by Milsap. Turner was better. Are you going to say Turner was a better defensive player?
Experience would lead you to knowing the difference but here you are taking a swing at every pitch. Things simply are not as cut and dried as you are proposing about coaching. If you had all this experience you would know better. This is why i question your experience and mark it down to youth. The comments i read that you write come across as very very young.
Now back to the subject- Stotts can try to teach Harkless to screen all day long but in the end size and strength play a huge role. You of all people should know this.

You're saying that because you disagree. You know better than that.

I hope you realize that coaching Crawford to play PG is different than coaching someone on how to properly set a screen.

 

[kjironman1]

I disagree with this 100% and anyone in management would do the same.

Some people are able/capable of learning. Some aren't.
Yes you try to teach in ways the recipient will grasp, but sometimes it just cant be grasped no matter who or how its explained.

To just say its on the coach is very ignorant as to the many different ways people learn and don't learn.

Exactly! I don't care who you are. If you have any real experience in coaching or trying to teach then you know some people simply don't do well at some things. They might be awesome at something else but cannot grasp a certain concept.

 

[kjironman1]

You're saying that because you disagree. You know better than that.

I'm saying i know better than that because i know better than that. Been at it way too long. Been here way too long. Done way too much and dealt with way too many people on way too many issues.
Don't try to twist this! That will be your next move. Your original statement is what this is about. Multiple people are calling you out on it and every one of them are older and have more experience. Maybe just accept this and move on.

 

[BonesJones]

I'm saying i know better than that because i know better than that. Been at it way too long. Been here way too long. Done way too much and dealt with way too many people on way too many issues.
Don't try to twist this! That will be your next move. Your original statement is what this is about. Multiple people are calling you out on it and every one of them are older and have more experience. Maybe just accept this and move on.

Longevity doesn't equal knowledge. I've played more basketball than you can imagine buddy. Ive studied more basketball than you can imagine.

The "I'm older so I know better" is a weak ass copout excuse for older people who cant properly debate something. Its your type of tactic though.

Guess what, theres multiple people who will back me up who are older too so your argument is flawed even in that context. One coaches. The other is one of if not the brightest mind on this forum.

 

[tlongII]

Well I’m older than both of you guys so I should decide this issue.

 

[kjironman1]

Longevity doesn't equal knowledge. I've played more basketball than you can imagine buddy. Ive studied more basketball than you can imagine.

The "I'm older so I know better" is a weak ass copout excuse for older people who cant properly debate something. Its your type of tactic though.

Guess what, theres multiple people who will back me up who are older too so your argument is flawed even in that context. One coaches. The other is one of if not the brightest mind on this forum.

There ya go. Right on Que
Twist it into something it isn't and try to cover your original statement. You do it all the time and it's boring at best.
Nobody anywhere said anything about longevity or the amount of basketball you have played. It's not a question about some coach who nobody knows and i highly doubt you know anything about who is the brightest mind on this forum because you don't know anything about most of the people here.
Enjoy your fantasy ideas and know i am not gonna keep this conversation going. See ya.

 

[BonesJones]

There ya go. Right on Que
Twist it into something it isn't and try to cover your original statement. You do it all the time and it's boring at best.
Nobody anywhere said anything about longevity or the amount of basketball you have played. It's not a question about some coach who nobody knows and i highly doubt you know anything about who is the brightest mind on this forum because you don't know anything about most of the people here.
Enjoy your fantasy ideas and know i am not gonna keep this conversation going. See ya.

I dont know @hoopsjock? You dont think hes one of the brightest basketball minds in here?

Isnt a coach that nobody knows better than a random industrial worker nobody knows?

Being able to teach players how to properly set a acreen is a "fantasy idea"? You're being silly. Move along.

 

[BonesJones]

So to get this straight: Guys who learned enough about basketball to make it to the NBA are so incapable of learning that they cant learn how to set a proper screen?

Okay. Lmao.