Bursting the Bazemore Bubble

[wizenheimer]

Oh, I wasn't saying we are a walk it up the floor team, but we are definitely not a faster paced team either. The last several years we have been near the top of the bottom 15 (in the 17 to 19th range). My point was that Stotts isn't the main reason we don't play at a faster pace. Have you seen Stotts during games after a rebound yelling to push the ball and waving his team up court? I'm also not saying it's a bad thing, but that it just seems Lillard doesn't push the tempo all that often and I have no idea why, but if that's what Lillard prefers, then I am fine with it.

I have to say I think this narrative of Stotts yelling about pushing the ball is a real poor defense of Stotts. Either the players are ignoring him or they don't have a sufficient foundation built on pushing the ball. Either option is a reflection of coaching

 

[CupWizier]

Thing is, you cant quote either of these things. I've never said I'm the best player in this forum (maybe I did as jokeful banter, which if it happened, you probably took out of context).

But until someone beats me 1v1...

It wasn't said in "jokeful" banter.

I find it funny you first deny saying it and then end it with an assumed statement that because the few people you have played one on one against haven't beaten you that you must be .....

Dan Marang is a professional.

Okay, I'm done. It's yours for the last word like you need to have.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Yes. Because maybe they disagree with the coach. Maybe, they don't like the contact. Maybe they think they made it and don't listen.

Many things that aren't rocket science cant be done by everyone.

Shake your head all you want.
You have not lived long enough to gain this knowledge in this world.
Not everyone is the same or learns the same. Regardless of how far they get in this world.

This.

If the skills are so easily taught, the salaries of NBA players would not be what they are (because we’d all be good). It’s easy to learn the basics of the skills, but the degree to how players learn to do them well and the nuances and adjustments is what sets players apart.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Not every learns the same. But nobody becomes an elite member of their field without the ability to learn a very-basic skill in their field.

I dont know why it was deleted so ill say it again. This isn't an insult.

My boss, business owner and successful enough bsuinessman to be invited to give seminars to college students, would be the first to tell you there are some basic things about his own company he cant grasp.

Its an issue him and i have had discussions about because he understands how quick of a learner i am and reminds me to have patience when training, because its easy to just think everyone should be able to learn this because i can.
I think this is kind of where you lie. Just because you can, you think everyone can. And this isn't reality.

 

[BonesJones]

Dude....

Longevity doesn't equal knowledge, but experiences do.

How many jobs have you had?
How many people have you trained, or tried to train?

How many teams have you coached?

How many cities have you lived in to expand the amount of different people you have been around?

You should give a little more respect to your elders’ experiences cause you are sounding like a “know it all” right now. Sorry man.

I've helped coach two different teams. 6th graders. We had no issue teaching them how to set proper screens.

You CANNOT tell me that NBA players are incapable of learning how to set proper screens. I don't subscribe to that.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I dont know why it was deleted so ill say it again. This isn't an insult.
My boss, business owner and successful enough bsuinessman to be invited to give seminars to college students, would be the first to tell you there are some basic things about his own company he cant grasp.

Its an issue him and i have had discussions about because he understands how quick of a learner i am and reminds me to have patience when training, because its easy to just think everyone should be able to learn this because i can.
I think this is kind of where you lie. Just because you can, you think everyone can. And this isn't reality.

The detail in this second version is much less insulting than the first one I deleted

 

[Wizard Mentor]

lol, another thread derailed.

 

[BonesJones]

I dont know why it was deleted so ill say it again. This isn't an insult.

My boss, business owner and successful enough bsuinessman to be invited to give seminars to college students, would be the first to tell you there are some basic things about his own company he cant grasp.

Its an issue him and i have had discussions about because he understands how quick of a learner i am and reminds me to have patience when training, because its easy to just think everyone should be able to learn this because i can.
I think this is kind of where you lie. Just because you can, you think everyone can. And this isn't reality.

You're going to tell me I'm ignorant? You're smarter than that. If you don't agree with my analogy, fine, I don't care.
You still cannot tell me that NBA players are incapable of learning how to get in a wide stance and hold it. I can't believe this is a conversation right now.

 

[BonesJones]

The detail in this second version is much less insulting than the first once I deleted

It's fine, I'll ask him in person and we'll see where that goes

 

[BonesJones]

It wasn't said in "jokeful" banter.

I find it funny you first deny saying it and then end it with an assumed statement that because the few people you have played one on one against haven't beaten you that you must be .....

Dan Marang is a professional.

Okay, I'm done. It's yours for the last word like you need to have.

Don't take the forum so seriously buddy.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It's fine, I'll ask him in person and we'll see where that goes

Will that be before or after he dunks on you?

 

[BonesJones]

I have to say I think this narrative of Stotts yelling about pushing the ball is a real poor defense of Stotts. Either the players are ignoring him or they don't have a sufficient foundation built on pushing the ball. Either option is a reflection of coaching

"They're unable to be coached that! They don't have to ability to learn that! All of them!"

 

[BonesJones]

Will that be before or after he dunks on you?

That's less delusional than NBA players being unable to learn how to set proper screens! Lmao.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I've helped coach two different teams. 6th graders. We had no issue teaching them how to set proper screens.

You CANNOT tell me that NBA players are incapable of learning how to set proper screens. I don't subscribe to that.

You WILL tell people here that your opinion is the only right one but yet someone CANNOT tell you through experience that what you describe is a reality.

Gtfo


Im over it now. The moment you draw lines in the sand like that, its obvious you are not gonna budge, which is unfortunate, because it will forever be a crutch.
Coaching 6th graders who haven't even begun to have a fully developed mind is laughable as a credible example as to getting know know how some people learn one way and others learn differently.

The detail in this second version is much less insulting than the first once I deleted

Fair enough.

Either way this conversation has gotten ridiculous when so many people are telling someone so inexperienced in life that people learn different ways and some people can learn certain things and others cant and he is so set in stone that he is right and we are wrong.

Experience used to be one of the most important attributes to gaining knowledge. Is soo unfortunate that its spit on and dismissed so easily by those without experience.


Pretty annoying really.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You're going to tell me I'm ignorant? You're smarter than that. If you don't agree with my analogy, fine, I don't care.
You still cannot tell me that NBA players are incapable of learning how to get in a wide stance and hold it. I can't believe this is a conversation right now.

Yes because a wide stance and holding it is about ten percent of a good screen...

Done man. Not worth it. You are right. Everyone else is wrong.... as usual.

 

[BonesJones]

You WILL tell people here that your opinion is the only right one but yet someone CANNOT tell you through experience that what you describe is a reality.

Gtfo


Im over it now. The moment you draw lines in the sand like that, its obvious you are not gonna budge, which is unfortunate, because it will forever be a crutch.
Coaching 6th graders who haven't even begun to have a fully developed mind is laughable as a credible example as to getting know know how some people learn one way and others learn differently.



Fair enough.

Either way this conversation has gotten ridiculous when so many people are telling someone so inexperienced in life that people learn different ways and some people can learn certain things and others cant and he is so set in stone that he is right and we are wrong.

Experience used to be one of the most important attributes to gaining knowledge. Is soo unfortunate that its spit on and dismissed so easily by those without experience.


Pretty annoying really.

In this case, my opinion is 100% right. If someone was incapable of learning how to set a fucking screen, then they wouldn't be in the NBA. You know how many things you have to learn to make it to the NBA? If you're THAT incapable of learning, then you wouldn't make it.

If you don't know how to bend your knees a little bit and stay still and strong... I don't care for all your anecdotal stories.

I wasn't even using it as an example so I'm glad you found some humor in that.

You're off the rails and all over the place. I can't even keep up with all the different angles your trying to use right now.

Bottom line is, if you can't teach a player to bend his knees, get wide, and stand still....

 

[BonesJones]

Yes because a wide stance and holding it is about ten percent of a good screen...

Done man. Not worth it. You are right. Everyone else is wrong.... as usual.

To setting a good strong screen? Yes. Get low, get wide, hold it strong. That's all there is bro. Don't overcomplicate it.

Knowing what to do after the screen is debatable. I haven't argued that at all. Some players aren't able to learn how to make those reads. But in terms of setting the screen, nobody in the NBA is incapable of learning how to set the screen.

 

[JDC]

In this case, my opinion is 100% right. If someone was incapable of learning how to set a fucking screen, then they wouldn't be in the NBA. You know how many things you have to learn to make it to the NBA? If you're THAT incapable of learning, then you wouldn't make it.

If you don't know how to bend your knees a little bit and stay still and strong... I don't care for all your anecdotal stories.

I wasn't even using it as an example so I'm glad you found some humor in that.

You're off the rails and all over the place. I can't even keep up with all the different angles your trying to use right now.

Bottom line is, if you can't teach a player to bend his knees, get wide, and stand still....

My lord.

It's not a fucking accident that there are players that are bad, average, and good screeners...just like with every other skill in basketball.

Proper technique is such a small part of being an effective screener in the NBA where you're dealing with the smartest, strongest. most athletic basketball players in the world.

Knowing how to do something and applying it on the floor are also two VERY different things.

 

[BonesJones]

My lord.

It's not a fucking accident that there are players that are bad, average, and good screeners...just like with every other skill in basketball.

Proper technique is such a small part of being an effective screener in the NBA where your dealing with the smartest, strongest and most athletic basketball players in the world.

Knowing how to do something and applying it on the floor are also two VERY different things.

What else goes into the actual setting of the screen? Timing is a big part but that's mostly on the person using the screen. It's also on the person using the screen to rub off the screener. But if there's something I'm missing in terms of setting the screen, then enlighten me.

 

[Dougnsalem]

.....Done man. Not worth it. You are right. Everyone else is wrong.... as usual.

WAIT! I'm not ready yet!!!

 

[wizenheimer]

Knowing how to do something and applying it on the floor are also two VERY different things.

yep, I know about sex, but I've never been good on the floor. hate them rugburns

is it apparent I've been drinking today?

 

[THE HCP]

I have more experience doing both than the majority of this board so its funny that you chose that route, just because you disagree with me.

SIGH It never stops.

 

[BonesJones]

SIGH It never stops.

Dont take things so seriously my guy.

 

[JDC]

What else goes into the actual setting of the screen? Timing is a big part but that's mostly on the person using the screen. It's also on the person using the screen to rub off the screener. But if there's something I'm missing in terms of setting the screen, then enlighten me.

I already have.

I'm done wasting my breath.

 

[BonesJones]

I already have.

I'm done wasting my breath.

I'm not talking about making the right decision after the screen. I'm talking about the physical act of setting the screen. Obviously theres reads that need to be made on where to move after that, but thats not a part of setting the screen in my opinion. Maybe its a disagreement on semantics instead. I dunno.

 

[JDC]

I'm not talking about making the right decision after the screen. I'm talking about the physical act of setting the screen. Obviously theres reads that need to be made on where to move after that, but thats not a part of setting the screen in my opinion. Maybe its a disagreement on semantics instead. I dunno.

It's a moot point.

Technique is easily learned and (to a lesser extent) applied, but what a player does before and after a screen is set is so much more important towards whether a screen is effective for the offense which is what ultimately matters.

Pure size, strength and a player's physicality / mentality also plays a part, like I've already talked about.

 

[CupWizier]

SIGH It never stops.

Hey, he must really envy you though as he continually tries to use your catch phrases.

 

[BonesJones]

It's a moot point.

Technique is easily learned and (to a lesser extent) applied, but what a player does before and after a screen is set is so much more important towards whether a screen is effective for the offense which is what ultimately matters.

Pure size, strength and a player's physicality / mentality also plays a part, like I've already talked about.

I'm only talking about technique, so I think we just disagree on the semantics of it.

See, when I think about "Setting a good screen" I view it in regards to technique only, since players aren't in control of their size. So Isaiah Thomas setting a good screen would be setting it to the best of his ability with good technique. Obviously a bigger more physical player will have a bigger and stronger screen.

I also only view "setting" the screen as the act of setting the screen alone. Not what comes after (because making reads is something that some players can be taught and some can't).

 

[BonesJones]

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Why can't I see this post?

 

[BonesJones]

Hey, he must really envy you though as he continually tries to use your catch phrases.

I surely wouldn't use yours.