Bush wins!

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Clinton was a weak person and were it not for deeply partisan politics would have been removed from office.

I'm hardly a Democrat and I didn't vote for Clinton either time, but I know I don't stand alone in saying if it weren't for deeply partican politics we wouldn't have wasted so much valuable time on such a BS issue. As much as anything thats when the recently deceased era of Republicans lost me.

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[MARIS61]

Bush represented a "whoop ass" type of mentality. '

To whom?

I always viewed him as a snivelling, cowardly, spoiled rotten Mama's Boy. The kind who'd throw a rock at you when you're not looking and then hide behind his big sister in fear.

The closest he ever got to "whoop ass" was a bit of S & M in the Lincoln Room with Cheney holding the paddle.

 

[mook]

To whom?

I always viewed him as a snivelling, cowardly, spoiled rotten Mama's Boy. The kind who'd throw a rock at you when you're not looking and then hide behind his big sister in fear

You can sell whoop ass and not live it.

Which, come to think of it, is a pretty good epitaph for Dubya.

I have never, in all my life, seen more hat and less cow. Which is a pretty big insult from a Red Stater.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

To whom?

I always viewed him as a snivelling, cowardly, spoiled rotten Mama's Boy. The kind who'd throw a rock at you when you're not looking and then hide behind his big sister in fear.

The closest he ever got to "whoop ass" was a bit of S & M in the Lincoln Room with Cheney holding the paddle.

Well, at least he had some back bone. I know it runs contrary to you to consider making a positive comment about anyone or anything conservative, but while democratic appeasement brought terrorism to our shores, Bush stood up to it. Maybe, at times, in misguided ways, but he did when others couldn't.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

To whom?

I always viewed him as a snivelling, cowardly, spoiled rotten Mama's Boy. The kind who'd throw a rock at you when you're not looking and then hide behind his big sister in fear.

The closest he ever got to "whoop ass" was a bit of S & M in the Lincoln Room with Cheney holding the paddle.

Nice to know you haven't lost your inability to think with any sense of objectivity.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Well, at least he had some back bone. I know it runs contrary to you to consider making a positive comment about anyone or anything conservative, but while democratic appeasement brought terrorism to our shores, Bush stood up to it. Maybe, at times, in misguided ways, but he did when others couldn't.

Who was the president for 9 months leading up to 9/11 again?

 

[Dumpy]

When a pendulum swings too far one way, people want it back the other. So our national politics goes back & forth. That's why we have 2 parties. Eventually, people get sick & tired of being governed by one or the other and want a change.

I can understand why people voted for Bush.

I could never understand why people thought he would be a good president. All the signs were there from the beginning that he was going to be a partisan slave to the extreme right-wing of the party, and would be a devisive figure and not a uniter. Not to mention that he was obviously an idiot.

 

[Denny Crane]

I can understand why people voted for Bush.

I could never understand why people thought he would be a good president. All the signs were there from the beginning that he was going to be a partisan slave to the extreme right-wing of the party, and would be a devisive figure and not a uniter. Not to mention that he was obviously an idiot.

Less an idiot than the guys he ran against in 2000 and 2004.

Says a lot about the political system.

 

[Dumpy]

Less an idiot than the guys he ran against in 2000 and 2004.

Says a lot about the political system.

as I said, I understand why people voted for him. But there is a difference between voting for the guy and actually believing that he would do a good job, as ridiculous as that sounds. I mean, really, why should anyone be at all surprised that his presidency is ending like this? I'm not saying that as a way to argue that Gore and Kerry should have been elected instead; far from it. Just that I dont know why anyone would have had high expectations for the guy.

 

[Denny Crane]

as I said, I understand why people voted for him. But there is a difference between voting for the guy and actually believing that he would do a good job, as ridiculous as that sounds. I mean, really, why should anyone be at all surprised that his presidency is ending like this? I'm not saying that as a way to argue that Gore and Kerry should have been elected instead; far from it. Just that I dont know why anyone would have had high expectations for the guy.

While it's easy to cherry pick all the bad stuff that happened during his two terms, I'm convinced historians will look back on his presidency with a lot more positive outlook. On so many of the big ticket things, he made serious efforts to change/improve them. There's medicare prescription drugs to supplement the joke that is social security, and there was the attempt to tackle the 3rd rail itself. Education (No Child Left Behind) was and still is one of the biggest wastes of govt. effort (all along), but at least he did something positive. Then there's campaign finance reform he pushed for and signed, Sarbanes-Oxley (corporate reform), the fairly successful reorganization of numerous agencies into Homeland Security (the biggest reorg in govt. since the New Deal, in fact). Rumsfeld gets a bad rep for many things, but his work at restructuring the military should not be ignored. His handling of the 9/11 attacks was so good his approval ratings were in the stratosphere.

And even the Iraq War will end up being a huge plus on his record when the historians put the length of the occupation and problems we faced in perspective.

I'm not a Bush fan by any means, and didn't vote for him either time.

 

[mook]

while democratic appeasement brought terrorism to our shores

Who was the president that supported the terrorist regime of the Shah of Iran? Oh yeah, pretty much every Democratic and Republican president from between 1941 and 1979.

Who was the guy who had our Marines run out of Lebanon with their tails between their legs after one bombing? Oh yeah, Reagan.

Who was the guy who thought trading arms for hostages seemed like a pretty smart idea? Oh yeah, Reagan again.

Who decided that Saddaam Hussein should remain in power during the Gulf War (a decision that seemed smart to me, but was also in many ways appeasing)? Oh yeah, Bush Sr.

Who claimed that Somalia and Kosovo were "wag the dog" Clinton escapades we should get out of immediately? Oh yeah, pretty much every Republican.

It's absolutely ridiculous and ignorant to blame 9/11 on just the Democrats. It's like saying, "Reagan won the Cold War!" when it ignores decades of work by millions of people all over the world, economics, and the policies of a number of US presidents and other world leaders.

 

[julius]

Who was the president that supported the terrorist regime of the Shah of Iran? Oh yeah, pretty much every Democratic and Republican president from between 1941 and 1979.

Who was the guy who had our Marines run out of Lebanon with their tails between their legs after one bombing? Oh yeah, Reagan.

Who was the guy who thought trading arms for hostages seemed like a pretty smart idea? Oh yeah, Reagan again.

Who decided that Saddaam Hussein should remain in power during the Gulf War (a decision that seemed smart to me, but was also in many ways appeasing)? Oh yeah, Bush Sr.

Who claimed that Somalia and Kosovo were "wag the dog" Clinton escapades we should get out of immediately? Oh yeah, pretty much every Republican.

It's absolutely ridiculous and ignorant to blame 9/11 on just the Democrats. It's like saying, "Reagan won the Cold War!" when it ignores decades of work by millions of people all over the world, economics, and the policies of a number of US presidents and other world leaders.

If you ignore history, all the bad things are solely the Democrats fault, and all the good things are because of Republicans (and vice versa).

For every point you brought up (which are good points), there could be made the same about Democrats. But that's not my point. It's silly to try to pin this all on one party (the appeasement theory presented by BP).

We've been sticking our nose in their business for decades. Democrat and Republican alike. We are at fault (our Government) because we felt like we had the right to tell people what to do, and then 3 minutes later, stab them in the back.

We got what we deserved, because we threw rocks at a hornets nest and then got cocky. And then we get surprised when we stopped paying attention to it and they started stinging us. So in retaliation, we went after the nest, (and in addition, went after the ant hill that was near the hornets nest) and have the gall to act offended or insulted that they're stinging us.

We don't even have 3 solid countries on our own continent, yet we think we can tell others what to do. No wonder it bites us in the ass.