Buyout Discussed

[Hunter]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Buyout Discussed<div><span style="font-style: italic">Sep 13</span> - The Nets have been discussing a buyout for Mile Ilic -- without success. The 7-1 center has been unable to convince the Nets that he'll develop on their timetable, and he has yet to fully recover since suffering that high-ankle sprain on March 31. </div></div><div>-- <font color="#1b4588">Newark Star-Ledger</font> </div>

 

[Legacy]

Damnit, it's good to see that they are discussing this, but they better buy him out soon before the season starts and we don't have the other players that we want (Benson, Hite, Houston).

 

[NJNetz]

I want this guy out of here. Was there any significant reason, as to why, we brought him in the first place? It was very obvious he wasn't going to contribute, or in fact, get any minutes at all. We needed all the big man we could get, but he's just a waste, even though I did defended him in the past.

 

[Legacy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd)</div><div class='quotemain'>I want this guy out of here. Was there any significant reason, as to why, we brought him in the first place? It was very obvious he wasn't going to contribute, or in fact, get any minutes at all. We needed all the big man we could get, but he's just a waste, even though I did defended him in the past.</div>

Told ya.</p>

Lol, I agree with you though. Thorn thought that he could be the big man that could solve our problems and he was clearly wrong.</p>

 

[GMJ]

I'd much rather have Benson has our 'obligitory big man stashed project.'

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'd much rather have Benson has our 'obligitory big man stashed project.'</div>

You can never go wrong with Mr. Boom got them tho</p>

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JfizzleRaider)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'd much rather have Benson has our 'obligitory big man stashed project.'</div>

You can never go wrong with Mr. Boom got them tho</p></div>

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...and if she bring a friend then boom got them DOS! </p>

i agree. too bad ilic didn't work out, it seemed as if he was going to be a pretty good shotblocker. i'm disappointed that didn't work out. </p>

 

[SportsTicker]

I cant see Benson making the team, much as I would like to see it. </p>

Even if they could buyout Ilic--and he has to agree--that would leave the Nets with 12 guaranteed contracts plus Hite, Allen and quite possibly Houston. Assume they buy Ilic out for $700,000 (out of $870,000), that would put them $338,000, roughly, under the luxury tax threshold. Assuming no other moves, adding Hite ($667,456), Allen ($964.636) and Houston ($1,219,590) would put the team roughly $2.5 million over the threshold. Adding Benson ($427,163),Allen and Houstonwould put them $2.2 million over.Allen and Houston alone, $1.8 million. With no buyout of Ilic, there's very little flexibility. </p>

Now in the past two years, they have gone into the season $2+ million over,making trades of players making significant salariesto teams under the cap. Hard to see as many opportunities for those kinds of trades this year with so manymore teams with big payrollsof theirown...andwith no bums like Jackson or McInnis available to trade to desperate teams.</p>

Are the Nets going to be willing to pay the luxury tax to put Benson on the roster? Please.</p>

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'>

I cant see Benson making the team, much as I would like to see it. </p>

Even if they could buyout Ilic--and he has to agree--that would leave the Nets with 12 guaranteed contracts plus Hite, Allen and quite possibly Houston. Assume they buy Ilic out for $700,000 (out of $870,000), that would put them $338,000, roughly, under the luxury tax threshold. Assuming no other moves, adding Hite ($667,456), Allen ($964.636) and Houston ($1,219,590) would put the team roughly $2.5 million over the threshold. Adding Benson ($427,163), Allen and Houston would put them $2.2 million over. Allen and Houston alone, $1.8 million. With no buyout of Ilic, there's very little flexibility. </p>

Now in the past two years, they have gone into the season $2+ million over, making trades of players making significant salaries to teams under the cap. Hard to see as many opportunities for those kinds of trades this year with so many more teams with big payrolls of their own...and with no bums like Jackson or McInnis available to trade to desperate teams. </p>

Are the Nets going to be willing to pay the luxury tax to put Benson on the roster? Please.</p></div>

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it's possible we'll end up finding a bum on our roster by december...</p>

that sucks that we're so close to the lux tax. oh well, hopefully benson will make a different team that i like. magic, seattle...?</p>

 

[Jizzy]

Hopefully he does get bought out. He sucks.

 

[Dumpy]

(1) We wouldn't even be having this discussion if carter's new deal included a LOWER salary for the 07-08 season.</p>

(2)IfIlic agrees to go to Europe, the buyout could be much less--wouldn't be surprised if he could get a HIGHER salary in Europe than what the nets are paying him. </p>

(3) the only players that will really matter in terms of salary cap/luxury cap are Collins, Magloire, and Nachbar. All else is just noise. BRob, for instance, only gets roughly $1.1 M, so replacing him with someone like Houston still won't allow the team to carry 15 players. They're not going to trade Magloire, obviously. That leaves Collins and Nachbar. </p>

(4) The luxury tax threshold is $67,865,000. According to Hoopshype, the Nets' team salary is currently $65,429,000, with 13 players under contract. that would seem to give them more than $2 M to play with. Are these numbers not correct? They could sign two players at the vets min and still be under the cap, right? What am I missing?</p>

(5) The salary cap is $55,630,000. According to Hoopshype, the only teams under the salary cap--and therefore could make atrade involving mismatched salaries--are Utah, Golden State, Atlanta, Chicago, Memphis, and Charlotte. Utah, GS and Atlanta are within $1,000,000 of the cap. So if you're going to dump Collins on someone, the best candidates are Chicago, Memphis, and Charlotte, unless someone has a trade exception to burn. I honestly don't see it happening.</p>

(6) best hope is thatit is not imperative that the team stay under the luxury tax threshold. Who knows; maybe they are willing to go $1,000,000 over.</p>

(7) My suspicion, like Ghoti's, is that Nachbar will not last the season with the team. </p>

 

[Jizzy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>

(1) We wouldn't even be having this discussion if carter's new deal included a LOWER salary for the 07-08 season.</p>

(2)IfIlic agrees to go to Europe, the buyout could be much less--wouldn't be surprised if he could get a HIGHER salary in Europe than what the nets are paying him. </p>

(3) the only players that will really matter in terms of salary cap/luxury cap are Collins, Magloire, and Nachbar. All else is just noise. BRob, for instance, only gets roughly $1.1 M, so replacing him with someone like Houston still won't allow the team to carry 15 players. They're not going to trade Magloire, obviously. That leaves Collins and Nachbar. </p>

(4) The luxury tax threshold is $67,865,000. According to Hoopshype, the Nets' team salary is currently $65,429,000, with 13 players under contract. that would seem to give them more than $2 M to play with. Are these numbers not correct? They could sign two players at the vets min and still be under the cap, right? What am I missing?</p>

(5) The salary cap is $55,630,000. According to Hoopshype, the only teams under the salary cap--and therefore could make atrade involving mismatched salaries--are Utah, Golden State, Atlanta, Chicago, Memphis, and Charlotte. Utah, GS and Atlanta are within $1,000,000 of the cap. So if you're going to dump Collins on someone, the best candidates are Chicago, Memphis, and Charlotte, unless someone has a trade exception to burn. I honestly don't see it happening.</p>

(6) best hope is thatit is not imperative that the team stay under the luxury tax threshold. Who knows; maybe they are willing to go $1,000,000 over.</p>

(7) My suspicion, like Ghoti's, is that Nachbar will not last the season with the team. </p>

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Bokie makes roughly 3 mill. Not much you can trade him for.</p>

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[Kidd Karma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>

(1) We wouldn't even be having this discussion if carter's new deal included a LOWER salary for the 07-08 season.</p>

(2) If Ilic agrees to go to Europe, the buyout could be much less--wouldn't be surprised if he could get a HIGHER salary in Europe than what the nets are paying him. </p>

(3) the only players that will really matter in terms of salary cap/luxury cap are Collins, Magloire, and Nachbar. All else is just noise. BRob, for instance, only gets roughly $1.1 M, so replacing him with someone like Houston still won't allow the team to carry 15 players. They're not going to trade Magloire, obviously. That leaves Collins and Nachbar. </p>

(4) The luxury tax threshold is $67,865,000. According to Hoopshype, the Nets' team salary is currently $65,429,000, with 13 players under contract. that would seem to give them more than $2 M to play with. Are these numbers not correct? They could sign two players at the vets min and still be under the cap, right? What am I missing?</p>

(5) The salary cap is $55,630,000. According to Hoopshype, the only teams under the salary cap--and therefore could make a trade involving mismatched salaries--are Utah, Golden State, Atlanta, Chicago, Memphis, and Charlotte. Utah, GS and Atlanta are within $1,000,000 of the cap. So if you're going to dump Collins on someone, the best candidates are Chicago, Memphis, and Charlotte, unless someone has a trade exception to burn. I honestly don't see it happening.</p>

(6) best hope is that it is not imperative that the team stay under the luxury tax threshold. Who knows; maybe they are willing to go $1,000,000 over.</p>

(7) My suspicion, like Ghoti's, is that Nachbar will not last the season with the team. </p>

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Hoopshype did not add correctly it should be 67,297,199. VC took a 4 million salary hit this year. HIs option was for 16 mill this year. The Warriors ahve a 10 million dollar exception for the JRich trade. They should be a good trade partner as they got under the lux tax by moving Foyle earlier. </p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>

(5) The salary cap is $55,630,000. According to Hoopshype, the only teams under the salary cap--and therefore could make a trade involving mismatched salaries--are Utah, Golden State, Atlanta, Chicago, Memphis, and Charlotte. Utah, GS and Atlanta are within $1,000,000 of the cap. So if you're going to dump Collins on someone, the best candidates are Chicago, Memphis, and Charlotte, unless someone has a trade exception to burn. I honestly don't see it happening.</p>

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Chicago and Charlotte have players on rookie contracts that need to be signed. and Chicago especially will need that money, and they have a shitload of big men as it is.</p>

and who knows what Memphis is doing. we'll just have to wait and see how they'll do next season. seems like it could be a youth movement, but who knows. </p>

 

[ly_yng]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>

(7) My suspicion, like Ghoti's, is that Nachbar will not last the season with the team. </p>

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Bokie makes roughly 3 mill. Not much you can trade him for.</p></div>

If Nachbar is playing at the same level he ended the season at last year, he's worth a decent first round pick and a trade exception/smaller contract. They won't give him away, but there are a TON of teams (especially at the deadline) that would love a one year rental of a guy like Boki. </p>

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>

(7) My suspicion, like Ghoti's, is that Nachbar will not last the season with the team. </p>

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Bokie makes roughly 3 mill. Not much you can trade him for.</p></div>

If Nachbar is playing at the same level he ended the season at last year, he's worth a decent first round pick and a trade exception/smaller contract. They won't give him away, but there are a TON of teams (especially at the deadline) that would love a one year rental of a guy like Boki. </p>

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I'm not sure Boki is worth a 1st round pick for only one year at that salary. They would have to pay him out to make the lost of the 1st rounder worth it. As much as we love hm, lets not forget it's not Kidd or Carter for a year.
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-Petey</p>

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[xcalibur]

[quote name='Petey'][quote name='ly_yng'][quote name='Jizzy'][quote name='Dumpy']

(7) My suspicion, like Ghoti's, is that Nachbar will not last the season with the team. </p>

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Bokie makes roughly 3 mill. Not much you can trade him for.</p>[/QUOTE]

If Nachbar is playing at the same level he ended the season at last year, he's worth a decent first round pick and a trade exception/smaller contract. They won't give him away, but there are a TON of teams (especially at the deadline) that would love a one year rental of a guy like Boki. </p>

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I'm not sure Boki is worth a 1st round pick for only one year at that salary. They would have to pay him out to make the lost of the 1st rounder worth it. As much as we love hm, lets not forget it's not Kidd or Carter for a year. </p>

-Petey </p>

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</p> i hope we dont trade boki. i love the guy and i think he will only get better with the confidence frank and the team showed in him. i loved when he attacked the basket. at this moment i cant see a trade where moving him out would be a positive thing. of course when/if rumors rise about boki leaving then we can judge the individual rumors, but i am so high on boki because i think he will improve this year. hopefully he will rebound more and be more disciplined on D.

 

[jirohkanzaki]

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put mile ilic in the reserve list, signa bigman for the coming seasonand make him understand he is not playing 1 minute of basketball in the nba for one year which will diminish his value and stunt his developmentso accepting a buyout and playing in europe will be his best course of action.</p>

 

[Kidd Karma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki)</div><div class='quotemain'>

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put mile ilic in the reserve list, sign a big man for the coming season and make him understand he is not playing 1 minute of basketball in the nba for one year which will diminish his value and stunt his development so accepting a buyout and playing in europe will be his best course of action.</p></div>

Good point. He'll rot on the bench. </p>

 

[reganomics813]

It sucks to see Mile have such a bad run of luck and not get the opportunity to show off his jumper and shotblocking in a Nets uni. Lets remember the guy was a project, we brought him over and his goal was to bulk up and get accustomed to the US before he signed a contract that would keep himoverseas with a rediculous buyout. Not to mention he helped get rid of Zoran who Frank had no idea what to do with. Illic's injury coupled with our "win now mode" depth acquisitions at the same position have kinda pushed him out before he ever got a real chance to grow as we'd originally planed him to and it sucks to dash the kids hopes as he is just a victim of bad luck and timing. </p>

I think it's kinda ironic that there is the ovewhelming Benson love in this same thread when realistically maybe a handful of people have actually watched him play in D League. It's very much like what Mile recieved last season as only a few had seen him play in EuroLeague and pumped up his expectations in a similar fashion. I've only seen Rod play sparingly, as D League is some of the most painful baskeyball to watch on television, and only endorse him as he has the jumper, blocked shots, and athleticism we'd hoped Mile would have but I don't see him sniffing any more court time than Ilic would have in all honesty, even if Sean is glued to the bench right next to him. If we truly are making our best effort finals charge this season we need experience as much as we do talent where Malik Allen would be a much sounder addition in a sparing role coming in and playing sound and smart basketball as we have a nearly non-exsistant margin for error against the kind of teams we'd have to go through to get there. Benson may be the more charismatic summer invite but unless he really pulls some stuff outa his ass we're gonna see Malik keeping that spot as the summer of Frank rolls on. </p>

I've been firmly behind trading Boki for awhile now as his value has never been higher and while a one on one swap may not bring back the immediate help we'd like he'd definately help sweeten a bigger deal at this point to possibly shore up another all star caliber player. I enjoy his 3's off the bench as much as the next guy but his selective attacking of the basket, medicore D, and frequent unforced turnovers drive me insane. Depending on who the deal would be for it wouldn't pain me too greatly to see him go. Maybe we'll see another Boki this season where he's an even more impressive version of the one we saw last season but if thats the case doesn't that make him an even more valuable trade bait? I'm not saying i'm a big fan of splitting up this team either seeing as if someones getting traded it's probably RJ but if Thorn is hell bent on acquiring another all star Boki could help make that happen and possibly improve our team to elite status in the process. I think the worst possible move we could make is holding onto him and resigning him to a larger contract as we've probably seen the best he has as a product of playing with VC and Kidd but that's just my opinion. </p>

 

[GMJ]

Part of me (the Benson-Love part) doesn't want to listen to reganomics because the truth hurts.</p>

I'd rather change up who's in the "project big man" slot because I admittedly like Benson as a person more than I do Illic (but then again who really knows Mile's personality?). Plus I'm willing to give someone else a new shot since Illic hasn't worked out so far.</p>

But your point about Malik is a hard one to disagree with. As much as I like Benson, I'd be a hypocrite if I wanted to surround Kidd and Carter with more young, unproven talent while at the same time justifying keeping the team together. Yes I love project young guys (hassan, pops, benson, white), but not dedicating yourself to a goal is only going to result in floundering. While I'd want to keep our team intact and add these players to our roster, winning a championship by doing so is not realistic.</p>

Congrats, you've now legitmately changed my mind. You should really post here more often!</p>

 

[reganomics813]

I won't go as far to say anything I posted is the "truth" but as far as I see it if Nenad really is around 90% and Big Cat is playing to essentially prove he still belongs in the league with Josh and Jason on the bench shoring up our depth from the bench there really isn't time for another big to begin with. But if the worst happens and we lose any one of those guys we need insurance from a tried and tested player who can fill in spot duty. Don't get me wrong i'd love to see Sean or Rod or whoever come in and step up like Nenad and Mikki have before them but we need a player who can hedge our bets better and that guy is Malik especially if it's for an extended period of time. Sure he's far from exciting but he's got a good head on his shoulders and doesn't make the mistakes a young kid will assuredly will and he provide Frank with another vet to help him from himself in overextending the players we have that he trusts in case of injury. </p>

 

[Jizzy]

Can we please get rid of Ilic and Brob and sign Jumaine Jones and H20.

 

[GMJ]

Who's H20? Water something? H as in Houston?