BuyTheBlazers.com - for the community!

[JonT]

Hey Rip City!

Important news to share here... We have formed a community group to buy an ownership share of the Blazers! Most importantly, a large percentage of annual team earnings will go back to the community to fund nonprofits, aid those in need, further education, create jobs, and more! There is also a traditional ROI for investors, plus potential perks, such as tickets, suites at games, etc. We have already received over $750,000 in optional pledges!

Can you please amplify this message and/or BuyTheBlazers.com to your circles? Time is of the essence. We need volumes of people to sign up to show general interest (pledges are optional). Whether you want to support the community, help others, capitalize on an alternative investment or just like the Blazers - all involvement is welcomed!

We can do so much good for so many in our region! To show interest people can simply fill out the form at the bottom of BuyTheBlazers.com. Of course, sharing this widely is great and there is more information on the site about the effort.

Thoughts, questions, and connections are welcomed.

Thanks so much!

Jon (Founder of BuyTheBlazers.com)
#BuyTheBlazers

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hey Rip City!

Important news to share here... We have formed a community group to buy an ownership share of the Blazers! Most importantly, a large percentage of annual team earnings will go back to the community to fund nonprofits, aid those in need, further education, create jobs, and more! There is also a traditional ROI for investors, plus potential perks, such as tickets, suites at games, etc. We have already received over $750,000 in optional pledges!

Can you please amplify this message and/or BuyTheBlazers.com to your circles? Time is of the essence. We need volumes of people to sign up to show general interest (pledges are optional). Whether you want to support the community, help others, capitalize on an alternative investment or just like the Blazers - all involvement is welcomed!

We can do so much good for so many in our region! To show interest people can simply fill out the form at the bottom of BuyTheBlazers.com. Of course, sharing this widely is great and there is more information on the site about the effort.

Thoughts, questions, and connections are welcomed.

Thanks so much!

Jon (Founder of BuyTheBlazers.com)
#BuyTheBlazers

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/the-story-of-when-i-once-tried-to-buy-the-blazers.385749/

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hey Rip City!

Important news to share here... We have formed a community group to buy an ownership share of the Blazers! Most importantly, a large percentage of annual team earnings will go back to the community to fund nonprofits, aid those in need, further education, create jobs, and more! There is also a traditional ROI for investors, plus potential perks, such as tickets, suites at games, etc. We have already received over $750,000 in optional pledges!

Can you please amplify this message and/or BuyTheBlazers.com to your circles? Time is of the essence. We need volumes of people to sign up to show general interest (pledges are optional). Whether you want to support the community, help others, capitalize on an alternative investment or just like the Blazers - all involvement is welcomed!

We can do so much good for so many in our region! To show interest people can simply fill out the form at the bottom of BuyTheBlazers.com. Of course, sharing this widely is great and there is more information on the site about the effort.

Thoughts, questions, and connections are welcomed.

Thanks so much!

Jon (Founder of BuyTheBlazers.com)
#BuyTheBlazers

Good luck.

 

[RonBrewer]

So we'd kind of be like the Packers?

 

[JonT]

Good luck.

Thank you!

 

[JonT]

So we'd kind of be like the Packers?

Thanks for the question! In theory; yes, somewhat. The Packers are indeed a public company "owned" by the community (they really only have voting rights). But, the structure of this may well not be via buying shares (like an IPO). That said, the Packers have done pretty darn well over the years and the regional support for them is beyond reproach. In that way, we could definitely be like them... except this would also give annual earnings back to our community! Please do feel free to sign up on the site - it can really help. Thanks - Jon (Founder of BuyTheBlazers.com)

 

[RonBrewer]

Wish you the best. I'm a Poor.

 

[JonT]

Wish you the best. I'm a Poor.

Hi and thanks. First off, and most importantly, we are aiming to help people. That was how/why this whole thing started. Secondly, even signing up (no pledge required) to show support/interest is very helpful and a big goal presently! Thanks - Jon (Founder of BuyTheBlazers.com)

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Considering that this little message board is affiliated with the Trail Blazers organization and you are using the pinwheel etc on your website without the NBA/Trail Blazers permission (I assume), it's probably not the best idea to bring attention to yourself here. But good luck to you!

 

[THE HCP]

Considering that this little message board is affiliated with the Trail Blazers organization and you are using the pinwheel etc on your website without the NBA/Trail Blazers permission (I assume), it's probably not the best idea to bring attention to yourself here. But good luck to you!

Snitch ass!

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Isaac and Suke are talking about this right now on their show
I might have texted them about it earlier.

 

[THE HCP]

Isaac and Suke are talking about this right now on their show

Too bad their family members and you are the only ones listening! #Bam

 

[julius]

Let's try to stay in the real world.

 

[HailBlazers]

Good luck.

Bad dog.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Im in for $100.00.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Im in for $100.00.

Donate another hundred in my name for my birthday

 

[sheed30]

I find it odd someone of you think there is no chance the Blazers leave here because Portland is a valuable franchise.

Can’t the same be said for Seattle and look what happened?

Silver is all about making money he doesn’t care about fans if you ask me. Making money is his first priority. He wants a team in Vegas badly and a team in Vegas will be a HUGE money maker for the NBA imo.

The first domino to fall will be who buys the team of-course and I’m pray we don’t move but I’m not so certain we’re definitely not moving as some think in here.

 

[julius]

I find it odd someone of you think there is no chance the Blazers leave here because Portland is a valuable franchise.

Can’t the same be said for Seattle and look what happened?

The Sonics were sold for 285 million.

That wouldn't even be able to buy 1/10th of the Blazers today. That is what I meant by valuable. It's much easier to move something that doesn't cost four and a half billion dollars to buy in addition to the moving fees, plus settling with the city of portland, plus dealing with the removal of a franchise that has been in Portland for over 55 years, in addition to dealing with the reputation that would create with the league in alienating an entire region of the country. That's a lot of money to spend to piss off about 6 to 7 million people. The reason why I'm including Seattle's population in this is because if they move the team to Las vegas, that means they aren't doing an expansion team. And if there was a team that was going to be moved, it would not be Portland it would be something like New Orleans which is a significantly weaker and worse off franchise and situation than in portland.

Silver is all about making money he doesn’t care about fans if you ask me. Making money is his first priority. He wants a team in Vegas badly and a team in Vegas will be a HUGE money maker for the NBA imo.

They'd be the 4th team there, in a metro area that is smaller than Portland, and also is very fickle economy (they're taking a big hit right now due to a significant drop in tourism).

The first domino to fall will be who buys the team of-course and I’m pray we don’t move but I’m not so certain we’re definitely not moving as some think in here.

So the NBA, who admitted they fucked up the Sonics thing, is going to allow the Northwest to have zero teens, because if the Blazers are moving in Las Vegas it's not in relation to an expansion team to Seattle, just so they can be the fourth team in a unsteady market, where they don't actually make as much money because if they have an expansion team there they will have the expansion fee, and won't alienate more of the northwest, which has a significantly larger population base than Vegas does, just to put a team there?

It makes zero business sense for the NBA to alienate the market of Portland, just to move a team to vegas. There's a reason why there hasn't been a teen moved since the sonics, because they realize how unstable that makes the league look.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So the NBA, who admitted they fucked up the Sonics thing, is going to allow the Northwest to have zero teens

Especially if the ghost of Jeffrey Epstein buys the team.

 

[sheed30]

The Sonics were sold for 285 million.

That wouldn't even be able to buy 1/10th of the Blazers today. That is what I meant by valuable. It's much easier to move something that doesn't cost four and a half billion dollars to buy in addition to the moving fees, plus settling with the city of portland, plus dealing with the removal of a franchise that has been in Portland for over 55 years, in addition to dealing with the reputation that would create with the league in alienating an entire region of the country. That's a lot of money to spend to piss off about 6 to 7 million people. The reason why I'm including Seattle's population in this is because if they move the team to Las vegas, that means they aren't doing an expansion team. And if there was a team that was going to be moved, it would not be Portland it would be something like New Orleans which is a significantly weaker and worse off franchise and situation than in portland.


They'd be the 4th team there, in a metro area that is smaller than Portland, and also is very fickle economy (they're taking a big hit right now due to a significant drop in tourism).



So the NBA, who admitted they fucked up the Sonics thing, is going to allow the Northwest to have zero teens, because if the Blazers are moving in Las Vegas it's not in relation to an expansion team to Seattle, just so they can be the fourth team in a unsteady market, where they don't actually make as much money because if they have an expansion team there they will have the expansion fee, and won't alienate more of the northwest, which has a significantly larger population base than Vegas does.

It makes zero business sense for the NBA to alienate the market of Portland, just to move a team to vegas. There's a reason why there hasn't been a teen moved since the sonics, because they realize how unstable that makes the league look.

Good counter points.

But some things I will say, the NBA doesn't care about pissing off 6 to 7 million people IMO.

Also back when Seattle relocated, the NBA wasn't eager to add more franchises like they are now. Silver has been pushing for expansions, and if owners are pushing back on that, well the other way to get teams there is to relocate teams. I think he would view as a loss for the NBA to lose a team in the NW, but also a huge gain for them to have a team in Vegas.

Silver is not afraid to make changes to get his way, he added the play ins, the cup games, etc.

Let me add, the NFL just removed the Oakland Raiders, which was a staple well known team in the NFL. Why was that? The Oakland Raiders relocated to Las Vegas primarily due to the lack of a suitable stadium in Oakland and the inability to reach an agreement on a new one. Specifically, the Oakland Coliseum was aging and considered inadequate by the NFL, and the Raiders struggled to find a viable path to a new stadium in the Bay Area.

Sounds familiar to me.

Now I'm not knowledgeable on the ability of Portland being able to build a new arena if they wanted too. From what I have read, seems like it would be a massive hurdle to build a new arena in Portland. But if they can't, you think the chances of them staying in Portland is still high?

I think the owners would vote for the move to happen as well, because it comes down to money and the owners are pushing back on expansions because that means all current 30 teams will now have to split the pie over 32 teams instead.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think we should all slow down and wait to see who the new owner is.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Elon Musk should buy the Blazers, he could use his inventory of unsold Cyber Trucks to build the arena.

 

[julius]

Good counter points.

But some things I will say, the NBA doesn't care about pissing off 6 to 7 million people IMO.

Yeah it does. There's a reason why Seattle has been rumored in the expansion game for a long time now, and it's not because they secretly want to screw Portland over and move the team.

The Sonics (and Blazers) would have basically from Southern Oregon up to Alaska as their markets. Including Canada.

Also back when Seattle relocated, the NBA wasn't eager to add more franchises like they are now. Silver has been pushing for expansions, and if owners are pushing back on that, well the other way to get teams there is to relocate teams. I think he would view as a loss for the NBA to lose a team in the NW, but also a huge gain for them to have a team in Vegas.

They aren't going to pass up the $ that the teams will get from the expansion fees, in addition to the market they'd create in Vegas and return to in Seattle.

The league has not washed off the stank from the Seattle/OKC screw job.

Also, why would they fight to save the Kings, Clippers and Pelicans, but won't do anything to help a team here?

Which makes more sense for the NBA. Teams in Seattle, Portland and Las Vegas, or just a team in Las Vegas?

Silver is not afraid to make changes to get his way, he added the play ins, the cup games, etc.

Let me add, the NFL just removed the Oakland Raiders, which was a staple well known team in the NFL. Why was that? The Oakland Raiders relocated to Las Vegas primarily due to the lack of a suitable stadium in Oakland and the inability to reach an agreement on a new one. Specifically, the Oakland Coliseum was aging and considered inadequate by the NFL, and the Raiders struggled to find a viable path to a new stadium in the Bay Area.

Sounds familiar to me.

There's a few reasons why that analogy falls flat. For starters, the Oakland Coliseum was opened in *1967*. And both of the ownership groups of the teams that used it (Athletics and Raiders) are notoriously cheap.

And much like the Chargers situation, it wasn't *new* owners coming in and moving those teams. It was ownership groups which (esp in the A's and Chargers) had alienated their fan base and purposely sabotaged their situations.

There's a reason why the Thunder are the last NBA team to have a new ownership come in and move the team. It's not a good look for the league.

Now I'm not knowledgeable on the ability of Portland being able to build a new arena if they wanted too. From what I have read, seems like it would be a massive hurdle to build a new arena in Portland. But if they can't, you think the chances of them staying in Portland is still high?

I think the owners would vote for the move to happen as well, because it comes down to money and the owners are pushing back on expansions because that means all current 30 teams will now have to split the pie over 32 teams instead.

The amount of money they'd lose out on isn't much when you calculate the 10 billion they'd receive from expansion fees.

 

[julius]

I said this in another thread, but don't feel like bumping that one. I had the #'s off in this thread (regarding the Sonics being sold), but otherwise, it all works out.

Completely different scenarios, and on top of that, the Sonics were sold for 350 million dollars vs the Blazers being valued at over 10X that amount.

These are much more valuable commodities now. The relocation fee for the Thunder was 30 million. It's probably a (very) safe bet the relocation fee now would be significantly higher than that.

So for 380 million dollars, the Thunder ownership was able to buy and move the Sonics. In 2025, that wouldn't even get a 10% ownership in the franchise.

On top of that, there is zero chance that an owner in Seattle would make up the difference in $ in Seattle vs Portland to justify the move and alienate the region.

Let's be 100% real here. The differences between Portland and Seattle (in as far as an NBA team is concerned) is not worth spending 4.5 billion dollars to move up there (in addition to the relocation fees to the league, and the $ that the city would want to recoup), to make up the loss of the Portland market as a whole, in addition to the fact the league has openly admitted they made a mistake by having the Sonics leave Seattle and won't correct that by alienating the Portland market.

ESPECIALLY considering the Blazers were one of 2 teams that voted *against* the Sonics leaving.

Not to mention, the arena situations are not even *remotely* the same. Key Arena, even after it's remodel, was an absolute dump. The city of Seattle had just put aside tax money for the Seahawks new home and the Mariners home.

We don't have that issue.

It wouldn't take a *billion* dollars to upgrade the Moda center like it did Key Arena.


Also, the talk of the expansion not being popular is horse shit. There is no way that the league would rather piss off the Portland market to move a team to Seattle, because they don't want to split anywhere from 8 to 10 billion dollars among each other.

For comparisons sake, the amount of $ each franchise would get immediately is almost the same amount as what the Thunder ownership group paid *in total* to buy and move the team.

You know who gets the $ if the Blazers move? The Paul Allen estate.

You know who gets the $ if the league expands and opens up the markets in Seattle and Vegas?

The league and the owners.

Which makes more sense?

They aren't concerned about watering down the talent base. FFS, they now have 15 players on each roster + g-league teams. There are approx 125 (about 25% of the league) that are foreign born.

This is just a way to squeeze more out of the potential expansion team ownership groups.


Just saw this: The TV contract is 76 billion over 11 years. Or 247 per team per year for 11 years. Adding 2 teams drops that to 215 per team.

Think of it this way. The league expands and adds 2 teams. Each expansion fee is 5 billion (that # has been thrown around).

10 billion split among 30 teams is 333 million each team.

The loss of income for the teams, if they expand to 32 teams (with the TV contract) would go from 247 per team to 215.

And since the new teams won't come in for probably 2 season (at least) that means for the first 2 years, the #'s stay the same.

So years 3-11, the amount each team gets is 215.

Example:

Years 1 and 2: 494 million (2 years)

Years 9-11: 1.935 billion (9 years)

For a total of 2.429 billion over the life of the TV contract (with 32 teams).

Vs: 2.717 billion if they keep things the same (11x247).

For a grand total difference OF: 288 billion over 11 years, or ~26 million a season.

That 288 billion is *less* than what they'd make if they expanded the league to 32 with the expansion fee.

 

[sheed30]

Yeah it does. There's a reason why Seattle has been rumored in the expansion game for a long time now, and it's not because they secretly want to screw Portland over and move the team.

The Sonics (and Blazers) would have basically from Southern Oregon up to Alaska as their markets. Including Canada.



They aren't going to pass up the $ that the teams will get from the expansion fees, in addition to the market they'd create in Vegas and return to in Seattle.

The league has not washed off the stank from the Seattle/OKC screw job.

Also, why would they fight to save the Kings, Clippers and Pelicans, but won't do anything to help a team here?

Which makes more sense for the NBA. Teams in Seattle, Portland and Las Vegas, or just a team in Las Vegas?



There's a few reasons why that analogy falls flat. For starters, the Oakland Coliseum was opened in *1967*. And both of the ownership groups of the teams that used it (Athletics and Raiders) are notoriously cheap.

And much like the Chargers situation, it wasn't *new* owners coming in and moving those teams. It was ownership groups which (esp in the A's and Chargers) had alienated their fan base and purposely sabotaged their situations.

There's a reason why the Thunder are the last NBA team to have a new ownership come in and move the team. It's not a good look for the league.



The amount of money they'd lose out on isn't much when you calculate the 10 billion they'd receive from expansion fees.

Well I hope you’re right and I am completely wrong.

would be devastating to me if we lose the team. Here’s to hoping that never happens.

Let’s see who actually buys the team first, then we go from there

 

[JonT]

Im in for $100.00.

Thanks! Very kind of you. Please do put that pledge in over on BuyTheBlazers.com!

 

[JonT]

Donate another hundred in my name for my birthday

We really should implement a "gifting" option on BuyTheBlazers.com. I'll see about working on it. Thanks - Jon

 

[JonT]

The Sonics were sold for 285 million.

See, this is what I'm saying about BuyTheBlazers.com ... if the community has at least a partial ownership of the team it gives us a "voice" and a "seat at the table" to advocate for our team/our city. Plus, even though pledges are non-binding, there is a tradtional return on investment for individuals and half the earnings will support charities! Right now, sign-ups (pledges optional) are huge, so if you can jump on the site for that it would be super helpful! Thanks - Jon (Founder of BuyTheBlazers.com)

 

[wizenheimer]

The amount of money they'd lose out on isn't much when you calculate the 10 billion they'd receive from expansion fees.

I don't think the math is that simple, otherwise owners would be eager and in a hurry for expansion. They appear to be the opposite. Probably because this coming season is the first season of a 11-year/76B media rights deal. Owners want to spit their share 30 ways, not 32 ways, for a number of years. Then rake in those expansion fee's sometime in the mid-2030's

there just doesn't appear to be any momentum for expansion right now

 

[julius]

I don't think the math is that simple, otherwise owners would be eager and in a hurry for expansion. They appear to be the opposite. Probably because this coming season is the first season of a 11-year/76B media rights deal. Owners want to spit their share 30 ways, not 32 ways, for a number of years. Then rake in those expansion fee's sometime in the mid-2030's

there just doesn't appear to be any momentum for expansion right now

The amount that they "lose out" on with the 2 extra teams, is made up by the amount of the expansion fees split among the 30 teams. The only reason they are poo-pooing expansion now is to up the price of teams for sale now AND the amount of money the expansion teams have to pay.

There is no logical reason why the NBA would want to move a team to Vegas at the expense of Portland and Seattle. It literally makes no sense.