Bye, bye, Andre Miller

[Blazer4ever]

I don't want him on my team. You can waive him as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Fender]

Did I miss something?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I have to admit, he does seem to be a bit disinterested. But maybe that's just his style.

 

[MIXUM]

judging from quicks piece.... he doesnt have faith in this roster

 

[Wheels]

does that mean we can trade anyone who doesnt have faith in this roster?

 

[MIXUM]

sounds like he and most fans would like that

one things for sure... this team as is doesnt work

 

[oldguy]

How does one make the sound of something whizzing over someone's head on a message board?

Go Blazers

 

[julius]

How does one make the sound of something whizzing over someone's head on a message board?

Go Blazers

Is that some kind of new fetish?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Oh that'll be fun. I can't wait to see 35 minutes a night from Patty

 

[Wheels]

How does one make the sound of something whizzing over someone's head on a message board?

Go Blazers

 

[MIXUM]

you can see miller hasnt cared most of this season

funny thing though... usually its around this time miller turns it on

 

[e_blazer]

How does one make the sound of something whizzing over someone's head on a message board?

Go Blazers

In emoticon, something like this:


...

 

[Minstrel]

I don't want him on my team.

I want him on your team. I enjoy watching and rooting for your team and want what's best for your team.

You can waive him as far as I'm concerned.

If we're going to leave your team without a good point guard, I'd prefer to trade him and get value back.

 

[oldguy]

I don't want him on my team. You can waive him as far as I'm concerned.

19pts/8ast/5rbs/2stls in 33 minutes. 7/15 from the field, 1/1 from the arc last night.

13pts/7ast/3rbs per game on the season.

Miller has a 19 PER....#9 in the league for PG's.

Thank GOD you are not the GM. Waiving Dre would be monumentally foolish.

Go Blazers

 

[BlayZa]

now, lets not let real world facts get in the way of opinion....

 

[tlongII]

Dre is a good point guard, but he's not a consistent outside shooter. We need a PG that has a reliable outside shot and can regularly hit the threee. Unfortunately, those are hard to find.

 

[MIXUM]

He should pack his bags. Blowup coming

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/01/gm_rich_cho_says_he_has_a_plan.html

 

[Boob-No-More]

So, you'd prefer Patty Mills as our starting PG.

Let's see, tonight:

Andre Miller:
35 MIN
8/14 FG = 0.571 FG%
19 PT
8 AST
2 REB
1 STL
2 TOV
+/- = +12
EFF = 21

Patty Mills:
13 MIN
2/7 FG = 0.286 FG%
9 PT
0 AST
0 REB
0 STL
1 TOV
+/- = -5
EFF = 3

Patty Mills isn't a PG. He's a subminiature SG. It cracks me up that posters on this forum say Miller calls his own number too much. 14 FGA and 8 AST in 35 minutes vs. 7 FGA and 0 AST in 13 minutes. The ONLY number Patty calls is his own. And, for anyone bitching about Millers defense, watch Patty sometime. He can't guard ANYBODY. I've never seen anyone get so abused on the high pick and roll. He's not smart enough to slip the pick and too tiny to fight through it. When Patty's on the court we're playing 1 on 5 on offense and 4 on 5 on defense.

I still don't get the Miller hate, but without him this team would flat out suck. Our only PG would be a rookie second rounder who can't get off the bench. Other than that, we'd have a tiny SG running our offense and chucking up shots at an alarming rate.

Get real. Andre Miller has the second highers PER on the team - and he plays a position where we currently have no viable alternative. Waive him? Yeah, right.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Oh and for all those on the Devin Harris welcome wagon, who get the better of the Miller v. Harris match-up tonight?

Andre Miller:
35 MIN
8/14 FG = 0.571 FG%
19 PT
8 AST
2 REB
1 STL
2 TOV
+/- = +12
EFF = 21

Devin Harris:
35 MIN
3/10 FG = 0.300 FG%
8 PT
6 AST
0 REB
2 STL
2 TOV
+/- = -8
EFF = 7

So much for Harris' great defense, He can't even stop an old, slow, unathletic guy like Andre Miller. Maybe New Jersey should waive Devin Harris.

BNM

 

[tlongII]

I wouldn't advocate Patty Mills or Devin Harris over Andre, but the fact of the matter is that Andre isn't going to lead us to playoff success either.

 

[THE HCP]

I wouldn't advocate Patty Mills or Devin Harris over Andre, but the fact of the matter is that Andre isn't going to lead us to playoff success either.

He would with a healthy Greg, and Brandon. But I guess that will never happen huh?

 

[Minstrel]

I wouldn't advocate Patty Mills or Devin Harris over Andre, but the fact of the matter is that Andre isn't going to lead us to playoff success either.

Neither is Wes Matthews or Nic Batum on their own. Almost no player is good enough to drive playoff success individually, so I think that's a bad standard for whether a player is worth keeping around. Brandon Roy before his injuries might have led us to playoff success. A fully healthy and developed Oden might have. Players like James, Wade and Paul can. That doesn't mean lesser but still very good players are worthless.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I wouldn't advocate Patty Mills or Devin Harris over Andre, but the fact of the matter is that Andre isn't going to lead us to playoff success either.

Neither is LaMarcus Aldridge - by himself. Should we waive him, too?

This thread, and the Miller hate in general is just fucking ridiculous. He's our second best player. If Oden and Roy were healthy, he'd be our 4th best - and a 4th option with a 19+ PER is pretty fucking good. Good enough to lead the team to playoff success when options 1 and 1a are missing? No. But good enough to lead us to the playoffs. Can Patty Mills do that? No fucking way. Is Devin Harris leading the Nest to the playoffs (in the WEAK ASS Eastern Conference)? No.

So, how about fans of the Portland Trail Blazers stop hating on one of the best players we currently have on the team. Why not spend your energy rooting for him, rather than against him? - Not you specifically tlongII, I'm referring to the Miller haters who post negative shit about him here on a daily basis. I've never seen a player with a 19+ PER get so much shit from his own fan base. Fuck, ZBo got more respect that Andre Miller. At least people here acknowledged Zach's strengths along with pointing out his weaknesses. As far as some posters here, Andre Miller cannot do anything right. Don't believe me? Just go back and read the first post in this thread.

BNM

 

[mgb]

I've never understood the hate for Miller either. I've seen him be the only one hitting shots and people call him a ball hog. Makes no sense.

 

[yenniedn]

I propose we ban B-N-M from these forum immediately and forever. He makes way too much fucking sense and is a general disruption to the bitching and moaning that we all love on these forums - and we simply can't allow that. Plus, I can't rep him anymore.

Ban him.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I propose we ban B-N-M from these forum immediately and forever. He makes way too much fucking sense and is a general disruption to the bitching and moaning that we all love on these forums - and we simply can't allow that. Plus, I can't rep him anymore.

Ban him.

Funny thing is, Miller isn't even my favorite Blazer. He's, at best, my 4th or 5th favorite. But, he gets so much disrespect from the haters in this forum, I feel the need to defend him.

He's currently 11th in the league in AST/G.

The haters insist he's a ball hog. The stats say otherwise. Of the 25 players averaging => 5.0 AST/G, Miller ranks 18th in FGA/G.

The haters insist he can't shoot. The stats say otherwise. Of the 25 players averaging => 5.0 AST/G, Miller ranks 9th in FG% at 0.462. That ties him with Deron Williams (0.462) and puts him ahead of Derrick Rose (0.454), Raymond Felton (0.434), Russell Westbrook (0.432), Devin Harris (0.431), Chauncey Billups (0.410), John Wall (0.395), Mo Williams (0.387), Gilbert Arenas (0.384) and Jason Kidd (0.343).

The haters like to say his defense sucks. The stats say otherwise. Of the 25 players averaging => 5.0 AST, Miller ranks 12th in DRtg. His DRtg of 108 ranks right behind Russell Westbrook, at 107, who is supposedly a great defender. He's ranked ahead of Devin Harris (110), who posters here claim is a better defender. He's also ranked ahead of John Wall (110), Raymond Felton (110), Deron Williams (111), Chauncey Billups (111) and, of course, Steve Nash (an atrocious 116).

In terms of advanced stats, Miller is clearly, and solidly, the 2nd best player in this team, after LaMarcus Aldridge. He consistently out produces his opponent ( 19.9 - 14.9 = +5.0 Net production, trailing only LaMarcus Aldridge at 20.8 - 15.6 = +5.2 Net). He's also second on the team, by a wide margin, in on court/off court differential at +10.1 and Simple Rating (+6.7), again trailing only Aldridge in both categories.

Yet, he gets constantly bashed and disrespected by the haters in this forum.

The one legitimate criticism of Miller is that he's a horrible 3-point shooter. Yes, it's true, but he is smart enough to realize this and only attempts about 1 3-pointer every other game. If you look at the list of players averaging => 5.0 you will see very few perfect players. Most of the players on that list have at least one glaring weakness in their games. Either they play even worse defense than Miller, shoot the ball at a lower percentage, or turn the ball over considerably more.

The fact is, the list of NBA PGs that are better, in all ways, than Andre Miller is a very short list. Of the players averaging => 5/0 AST/G, Andre Miller ranks 10th in PER, and two of those aren't even PGs (LeBron James is a SF and Monta Ellis is a SG). That leaves 7 NBA PGs with a higher PER than Andre Miller. Those 7 are: Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Deron Wiliams, Derrick Rose, Tony Parker and Rajon Rondo. Would I take any of those 7 over Andre Miller? You bet I would. Are any of those 7 available (doubtful), and if so, at what price (high)? So haters, face the facts. Andre Miller doesn't suck. He's infinitely better than any other PG we have on our current roster and better than anyone we're likely to get in a trade. Stop the hate and start supporting the second best player on your team.

BNM

 

[tlongII]

He would with a healthy Greg, and Brandon. But I guess that will never happen huh?

I doubt he would even with a healthy Greg and Brandon. And you're right...we'll never know. I believe you must have solid outside shooting from the point although Boston might be an exception.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I doubt he would even with a healthy Greg and Brandon. And you're right...we'll never know. I believe you must have solid outside shooting from the point although Boston might be an exception.

Are you talking championship, or just making it to the second round? I think if Oden and Roy had both been healthy this season, this team would EASILY make the second round. With a starting five of Healthy Oden, Aldridge, Batum, Healthy Roy and Miller, that would move Camby and Matthews to the bench. That would make our first, and second, units so much better. Right now, our second unit flat out sucks. Adding Camby and Matthews would improves the second unit's defense, both perimeter and interior, tremendously, and would also provide a legitimate scoring option on the second unit.

So, if Oden and Roy had both been healthy, I could see this team securing HCA and easily advancing to the second round. In fact, prior to the season, I predicted they would make the WCF and have a legitimate shot at upsetting the Lakers. Without Oden, that dream was shattered (just not enough size to match the Lakers). Without Oden and Roy, no chance to even make the second round.

BNM

 

[tlongII]

Funny thing is, Miller isn't even my favorite Blazer. He's, at best, my 4th or 5th favorite. But, he gets so much disrespect from the haters in this forum, I feel the need to defend him.

He's currently 11th in the league in AST/G.

The haters insist he's a ball hog. The stats say otherwise. Of the 25 players averaging => 5.0 AST/G, Miller ranks 18th in FGA/G.

The haters insist he can't shoot. The stats say otherwise. Of the 25 players averaging => 5.0 AST/G, Miller ranks 9th in FG% at 0.462. That ties him with Deron Williams (0.462) and puts him ahead of Derrick Rose (0.454), Raymond Felton (0.434), Russell Westbrook (0.432), Devin Harris (0.431), Chauncey Billups (0.410), John Wall (0.395), Mo Williams (0.387), Gilbert Arenas (0.384) and Jason Kidd (0.343).

The haters like to say his defense sucks. The stats say otherwise. Of the 25 players averaging => 5.0 AST, Miller ranks 12th in DRtg. His DRtg of 108 ranks right behind Russell Westbrook, at 107, who is supposedly a great defender. He's ranked ahead of Devin Harris (110), who posters here claim is a better defender. He's also ranked ahead of John Wall (110), Raymond Felton (110), Deron Williams (111), Chauncey Billups (111) and, of course, Steve Nash (an atrocious 116).

In terms of advanced stats, Miller is clearly, and solidly, the 2nd best player in this team, after LaMarcus Aldridge. He consistently out produces his opponent ( 19.9 - 14.9 = +5.0 Net production, trailing only LaMarcus Aldridge at 20.8 - 15.6 = +5.2 Net). He's also second on the team, by a wide margin, in on court/off court differential at +10.1 and Simple Rating (+6.7), again trailing only Aldridge in both categories.

Yet, he gets constantly bashed and disrespected by the haters in this forum.

The one legitimate criticism of Miller is that he's a horrible 3-point shooter. Yes, it's true, but he is smart enough to realize this and only attempts about 1 3-pointer every other game. If you look at the list of players averaging => 5.0 you will see very few perfect players. Most of the players on that list have at least one glaring weakness in their games. Either they play even worse defense than Miller, shoot the ball at a lower percentage, or turn the ball over considerably more.

The fact is, the list of NBA PGs that are better, in all ways, than Andre Miller is a very short list. Of the players averaging => 5/0 AST/G, Andre Miller ranks 10th in PER, and two of those aren't even PGs (LeBron James is a SF and Monta Ellis is a SG). That leaves 7 NBA PGs with a higher PER than Andre Miller. Those 7 are: Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Russell Westbrook, Deron Wiliams, Derrick Rose, Tony Parker and Rajon Rondo. Would I take any of those 7 over Andre Miller? You bet I would. Are any of those 7 available (doubtful), and if so, at what price (high)? So haters, face the facts. Andre Miller doesn't suck. He's infinitely better than any other PG we have on our current roster and better than anyone we're likely to get in a trade. Stop the hate and start supporting the second best player on your team.

BNM

Your defense of Andre's shooting is laughable. He's shooting 8.3% on 3 pointers this season. Do you realize how AWFUL that is? Hell, even Rondo makes threes at a 30% clip. You simply must be able to stretch the defense from the point guard position if you want to have an elite team in my opinion.

 

[tlongII]

Your defense of Andre's shooting is laughable. He's shooting 8.3% on 3 pointers this season. Do you realize how AWFUL that is? Hell, even Rondo makes threes at a 30% clip. You simply must be able to stretch the defense from the point guard position if you want to have an elite team in my opinion.

I'm sorry my post is a little strong. I didn't read all of your post and missed where you stated that criticism of Miller's 3 point shooting is valid.