Bynum vs Oden= mismatch?

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¹²³ said:
I love this thread.

I think this Bynum vs Oden thing is much more importat to the Blazers Fans. The Lakers side is targeting the championship and doesn't really care if Bynum posts better stats then Oden.
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Every team in the league is targeting the championship. See quote below.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
It is depressing how dominant the Lakers have been. Everything I hoped for has failed to happen. I thought that bringing back Bynum would have made the Lakers' defense worse (because it would have bumped Gasol to PF, where he is a poor defender against much better players) and Odom to SF (where, at this stage of his career, he's a bit too slow). But Jackson was way ahead of me and brainwashed Odom into playing off the bench. Plus Ariza has been playing out of his mind (check out his 3 point %) and has been everything Batum is to us and more.

The one bright spot is that Bynum is not putting up big numbers. But that doesn't mean he's bad - in fact he's perfect for the Lakers who only need him to play defense and get the odd alley-oop. But after all the hype, a lot of it coming from him, I really can't see him staying happy. (Yes, yes, I know - sacrifice for championships, blah blah blah. That works for savvy veterans who've been on crappy teams. Bynum is young and immature and hasn't tasted life in the shitpile.)

Working in the Lakers' favor too is the fact that all the good teams in the West are struggling. Most glaringly San Antonio, but Houston seems out of sorts, Dallas is going down in flames, Phoenix are going to be up and down, Utah has lost Williams for longer than they hoped and even N'Awlins had that ugly loss on the road.

I do note, though, that the Lakers have had a pretty soft schedule. Have they played any games on the road yet (apart from the "road" game against the Clippers, whose sole function in life seems to be to give the Lakers two more home games than any other team).

All that said, though, if the Lakers keep this up, I can't see them missing out on a championship. And if Phil Jackson doesn't get coach of the year (which he should have got last year) it's a travesty. And I say that as someone who hates his guts with a passion.

(As for Bynum vs. Greg: let's let Greg get healthy first. They both sucked in that one game, but at least Greg can remember this:

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If the Knicks win half their games, D'Antoni is coach of the year no matter what anyone does.

As for the Lakers, all I have to say is 24 point choke job, 39 point blow out.
 
Moo2K4 said:
Hey, you're right! It was JUST the preseason. In other words, he was padding stats against other teams scrubs.

I really don't give a damn what he did in the preseason. Until he shows up in the regular season, nothing matters. Last I saw, he hasn't really shown up because he was injured yet again.
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Wasn't Bynum injured too? I was at the Staples Center the other night and they're selling Bynum jerseys with the NBA Finals logo on it, lol. What a joke!
 
Bynum's rookie numbers: 1.6 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.5 bpg.

Checkmate.
 
KingSpeed said:
Every team in the league is targeting the championship. See quote below.
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I have disable the signatures, you will have to post it for me.

It is really irrelevant if Oden posts better stats then Bynum, as long as the Lakers win it all I don't think the fans or the organization will pay much attention to that.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Here are some stats to mess with the warm fuzzies:

Average number of games/season played by Trevor Ariza in the last 5 years: less than 30 (36%)
Average number of games/season played by Andrew Bynum over his career: 54 (66%)
Average number of games/season played by Lamar Odom over his career: 68 (79%)
Average number of games/season played by Pau Gasol in the last 5 years: less than 68 (83%)

Number of times Kobe Bryant has played for National Teams in the offseason before: 0

Number of career games Kobe Bryant has played: 871
By comparison, the "over the hill" Allen Iverson has played 834; the "showing wear and tear" Ray Allen has played 870 and the "heading for retirement" Steve Nash has played 867.
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The Lakers just need to be strong come playoff time. There is no need to play 100% of the regular season games. And if there is a guy who knows how to handle a situation like this, it's Phil Jackson.
 
KingSpeed said:
Bynum's rookie numbers: 1.6 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.5 bpg.

Checkmate.
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Why don't you take a look at games played and minutes per before you take a stab at Bynums rookie season. The kid hardly touched the court as a rookie. He epitomized the human victor cigar. He only played in garbage time. To compare his rookie season to Oden's is just ludicrous and stupid.

And just to make life easier for ya....

Bynums Rookie Season: 46 games played and 7:24 per game. Yea, certainly a lot of opportunities. :dunno:

Seriously, do your homework before you throw shit out there like that.
 
¹²³ said:
I have disable the signatures, you will have to post it for me.

It is really irrelevant if Oden posts better stats then Bynum, as long as the Lakers win it all I don't think the fans or the organization will pay much attention to that.
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"When I come into a season, my goal is always to win a championship,” -- Brandon Roy
 
Moo2K4 said:
Why don't you take a look at games played and minutes per before you take a stab at Bynums rookie season. The kid hardly touched the court as a rookie. He epitomized the human victor cigar. He only played in garbage time. To compare his rookie season to Oden's is just ludicrous and stupid.

And just to make life easier for ya....

Bynums Rookie Season: 46 games played and 7:24 per game. Yea, certainly a lot of opportunities. :dunno:

Seriously, do your homework before you throw shit out there like that.
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I'm well aware of everything you're saying. But that's the point. He wasn't good enough to play. It's not like he was gold sitting on the bench that Phil refused to use. And I just made the point because there was criticism of Oden's current stats.

Learn the game, then post.
 
KingSpeed said:
I'm well aware of everything you're saying. But that's the point. He wasn't good enough to play. It's not like he was gold sitting on the bench that Phil refused to use. And I just made the point because there was criticism of Oden's current stats.

Learn the game, then post.
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Right, and I realize this. This is why I don't understand why you threw out the comparison of their rookie years. Everyone knew that Andrew was going to be a product. No one expected him to come in and be an instant double double as a rookie. So why you bother to even point out that Bynum wasn't productive is beyond me. Him and Oden were in completely different situations as rookies. A lot is expected of Oden, nothing was expected of Bynum. To compare rookie seasons is crazy.

And for the record, I'm not criticizing Oden's stats, I just don't see how you can argue that he's better than Bynum when he has done nothing. When Oden puts up better numbers than Bynum, then we can talk about him better. Last I knew though, Oden couldn't even stay on the court, so your argument about him being "better" is absolutely moot because you have no evidence of it. At all.
 
You mean "project" and I think Oden outplayed Bynum on opening night. He only played 13 minutes and STILL outrebounded Bynum.

cfm

p.s. nothing we say when talking on this subject is personal. it's all fun and games.
 
KingSpeed said:
I'm well aware of everything you're saying. But that's the point. He wasn't good enough to play. It's not like he was gold sitting on the bench that Phil refused to use. And I just made the point because there was criticism of Oden's current stats.

Learn the game, then post.
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So now you're comparing rookie Bynum with rookie Oden? Obviously, rookie Oden is much better. But Bynum isn't a rookie anymore.
 
Dude, people were trashing Oden's first and only game as a pro so I brought up Bynum's first games as a pro. That's all.
 
KingSpeed said:
I'm well aware of everything you're saying. But that's the point. He wasn't good enough to play. It's not like he was gold sitting on the bench that Phil refused to use. And I just made the point because there was criticism of Oden's current stats.

Learn the game, then post.
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Oh, so you are saying Oden isnt good enough to play his rookie year either so thats why the stats are fair...got it
 
this place is crazy with some fighting going on lol.. even people at Lakersground like me more than you guys here.. but thats still a damn distracting GIF lol
 
DaRizzle said:
Oh, so you are saying Oden isnt good enough to play his rookie year either so thats why the stats are fair...got it
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Dude. You don't know what you're talking about. Oden is better than Bynum. Period. Heck, Bogut is better than Bynum.

Learn the game, then post.
 
KingSpeed said:
Dude. You don't know what you're talking about. Oden is better than Bynum. Period. Heck, Bogut is better than Bynum.

Learn the game, then post.
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1000 apologies oh master of the round ball...What was I thinking?!?:ohno: When in doubt... Oden>Bynum



...even though that isnt true, and never will be
 
BTW KingSpeed...Who owns who? Yeah, thats right....right next to dexlersdad... Scoreboard baby...Scoreboard

Learn the game, then bet

CFM
 
KingSpeed said:
You mean "project" and I think Oden outplayed Bynum on opening night. He only played 13 minutes and STILL outrebounded Bynum.

cfm

p.s. nothing we say when talking on this subject is personal. it's all fun and games.
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I did mean project....good call. Don't know why I typed "product"...oh well.

I really don't see how Oden outplayed Bynum on opening night. Oden did get 5 boards...but that's all he did. He didn't score a basket...something like 0/5 I think. While Bynum didn't play well, he did end with 8 points and also got 3 blocks as well....and considering he is coming off knee surgery and was still shaking off rust, PLUS having a contract negotiation going on...that's not too horrid...not great though by any means.

And I don't take anything personal, don't worry. I realize this is a message board and nothing else.
 
DaRizzle said:
You...everybody talks shit to kingspeed :ghoti:
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Oh.. no nobody has gotten into it with me. I just think its crazy how things are here lol. I post in Lakersground and I am a Blazer fan and they know it.. but most in there seem to be fine with me. except for like 2 people.
 
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