Zombie C.J. is horrible

[RR7]

DWright is another guy I always liked that suffered the wrath of fans.

but really, what player ever on our team has escaped the wrath of our fans? Or some fans anyways.

 

[Natebishop3]

CJ=project player, basically a rookie tweener who hasn't recovered his confidence. Playing NBA defense is taking a lot out of his energy level on offense. He's just not looking like a 9 man rotation player this season. Seems like this is his year to learn NBA level defense and it'll probably take all season for him to get comfortable. Injury bugs have plagued him since he got here. I questioned his readiness early on. Good thing is, if he doesn't pan out he'll become a fine journalist

He wasn't supposed to be a project player. He was supposed to be NBA ready. When you draft a guy who went to college for four years, you expect he'll be able to contribute right away.

 

[Scalma]

He wasn't supposed to be a project player. He was supposed to be NBA ready. When you draft a guy who went to college for four years, you expect he'll be able to contribute right away.

Exactly. His upside is limited. Don't even bring up Lillard. He's one in a million.

 

[Natebishop3]

Exactly. His upside is limited. Don't even bring up Lillard. He's one in a million.

Well, Lillard AND Curry. I think Neil was hoping that CJ would be another Curry. The problem is that I just really don't think has the overall quickness to be effective at this level.

 

[riverman]

He wasn't supposed to be a project player. He was supposed to be NBA ready. When you draft a guy who went to college for four years, you expect he'll be able to contribute right away.

Like I said, injuries have plagued him from the start but you're right, we expected him to contribute right away. He's not horrible, but he's not Damian Lillard and I think folks kind of expected him to be just that. The draft is a crap shoot. Look at Wes...nobody thought he would have an NBA game and..he's starting on a winning team in the west

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Well, Lillard AND Curry. I think Neil was hoping that CJ would be another Curry. The problem is that I just really don't think has the overall quickness to be effective at this level.

His draft combine numbers are comparable to Curry's and Dame's. 100th of a second better than Dame and 100th of a second worse then Curry.

Maybe he is injury prone or will be but would love to see a full season out of him before saying he doesn't have the quickness but I understand that message boards are just like people trying to break news on twitter. Always wanting to claim they were first stating something so they throw out things that could be true to hit one eventually that is. They want everyone to forget the ones that weren't correct.

I don't see it as a quickness problem with him. He plays somewhat slow on purpose like Roy did a times (I not saying CJ is half the player of Roy).

 

[Sinobas]

Damian and CJs combine measureables were uncannily similar. Their speed, agility, vericle jump tests, size.....but how they look on the court is much different.

There's a dif between doing a drill and performing explosive basketball moves.

 

[riverman]

Exactly. His upside is limited. Don't even bring up Lillard. He's one in a million.

How can you not bring up Lillard when both guys were 4 year small school guys but CJ was not picked at the 6 spot either. TRob is probably the biggest disappointment from a draft standpoint.

 

[riverman]

but really, what player ever on our team has escaped the wrath of our fans? Or some fans anyways.

Good point

 

[Natebishop3]

Like I said, injuries have plagued him from the start but you're right, we expected him to contribute right away. He's not horrible, but he's not Damian Lillard and I think folks kind of expected him to be just that. The draft is a crap shoot. Look at Wes...nobody thought he would have an NBA game and..he's starting on a winning team in the west

He has been injured, that's true, but based on what I've seen him do against lower level competition, and then what he can do against the pros, I am concerned.

 

[riverman]

Bottom of the bench is still bottom of the bench. CJ has slipped into that role

 

[KeepOnRollin]

He is certainly near the bottom but no were close to the actual bottom.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

The boards new whipping boy.

 

[Natebishop3]

How can you not bring up Lillard when both guys were 4 year small school guys but CJ was not picked at the 6 spot either. TRob is probably the biggest disappointment from a draft standpoint.

You think so?

A lot of that draft has been disappointing.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist drafted #2.

Dion Waiters drafted #4.

Thomas Robinson drafted #5.

Harrison Barnes drafted #7.

Austin Rivers drafted #10.

That's five guys drafted in the top 10 who haven't really been anywhere near as good as they were supposed to be.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

You think so?

A lot of that draft has been disappointing.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist drafted #2.

Dion Waiters drafted #4.

Thomas Robinson drafted #5.

Harrison Barnes drafted #7.

Austin Rivers drafted #10.

That's five guys drafted in the top 10 who haven't really been anywhere near as good as they were supposed to be.

If I rank them from worst busts to just disappointing then it would be:

1. Rivers
2. TRob
3. Waiters
4. Kid-Gilchrist
5. Barnes

 

[BrianFromWA]

That's really the problem though. After watching him in NBDL and summer league, and then watching him against NBA competition, I'm not sure he's athletic enough to be really good in the NBA. He doesn't have a quick first step or a fast release like Dame. He's not big enough to overpower people like Wes. He dominates against lower competition because his overall lack of speed isn't as noticeable. The best comparison is like a runningback who dominates in college, but loses his edge when he gets to the NFL where linebackers and defensive ends are just as quick and twice as strong.

I could buy this argument, thought I don't quite agree (too soon to tell), but that's way different than saying he's at the peak if his polish bc of 4 years in college and can't improve.

 

[Natebishop3]

His draft combine numbers are comparable to Curry's and Dame's. 100th of a second better than Dame and 100th of a second worse then Curry.

Maybe he is injury prone or will be but would love to see a full season out of him before saying he doesn't have the quickness but I understand that message boards are just like people trying to break news on twitter. Always wanting to claim they were first stating something so they throw out things that could be true to hit one eventually that is. They want everyone to forget the ones that weren't correct.

I don't see it as a quickness problem with him. He plays somewhat slow on purpose like Roy did a times (I not saying CJ is half the player of Roy).

You can disagree with me, and you can post facts to backup your claim, but was that last part even remotely necessary to the discussion? I really don't understand why people can't just debate a topic without adding something personal at the end. It's completely uncalled for.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

You can disagree with me, and you can post facts to backup your claim, but was that last part even remotely necessary to the discussion? I really don't understand why people can't just debate a topic without adding something personal at the end. It's completely uncalled for.

Wow, really? That was too personal compared to the crap that goes on in here?

I am going to have to agree to disagree on that one. I wasn't singling you out at all.

And I did post facts. Posted how his combine numbers were virtual identical to his counterparts.

 

[Natebishop3]

Wow, really? That was too personal compared to the crap that goes on in here?

I am going to have to agree to disagree on that one. I wasn't singling you out at all.

And I did post facts. Posted how his combine numbers were virtual identical to his counterparts.

And that was my point. Why couldn't you just leave it at that? You posted some facts to backup your opinion and that was all you needed. You quoted me so that's pretty much singling me out. I've held this opinion on CJ since last season

 

[KeepOnRollin]

And that was my point. Why couldn't you just leave it at that? You posted some facts to backup your opinion and that was all you needed. You quoted me so that's pretty much singling me out. I've held this opinion on CJ since last season

I guess I should have broke it up into two different posts. I quoted you for the numbers portion but read it again and other then quoting you I was not singling you out at all. As I said, agree to disagree. No worries though.

 

[Natebishop3]

I guess I should have broke it up into two different posts. I quoted you for the numbers portion but read it again and other then quoting you I was not singling you out at all. As I said, agree to disagree. No worries though.

My opinion isn't really quantifiable. Just watching him play against guys in the NBDL, he could pretty much get to the rim at will and finish. In the pros he hasn't been able to get that kind of penetration, firstly, but he also doesn't have to contend with the kind of rim protection in the NBDL that he faces in the pros. Like I said in another post, it reminds me of a dominant back in college football, like LaMichael James, not being able to transition to the pros.

 

[kjironman1]

Psst... "Leonard Crow Pie" is not bashing Leonard. Maybe you should read it before you assume it's a bash thread

Maybe you should read my comment before you comment. I know it does not bash him. That's my point exactly!

 

[jlprk]

"C.J. is Horrible." Let's see...

http://bkref.com/tiny/62qXt

172 Blazers have had a worse PER.

 

[jlprk]

For players this season on any NBA team, the number is 139. That's a third of the league.

http://bkref.com/tiny/Rc3MT

 

[KeepOnRollin]

For players this season on any NBA team, the number is 139. That's a third of the league.

http://bkref.com/tiny/Rc3MT

People have suggested we trade the following players this year that are on your list:
Lance Stephenson
Danny Granger
Kyle Singer
Matthew Dellavedova

Not to mentioned CJ isn't even close to the worst PER on the team. Too many current Blazer's on your list as well.

 

[riverman]

CJ will be here next season. If he plays an entire NBA season and can play well enough to stay on the court, he'll contribute. That's a lot of ifs but I don't think Stotts wants to lose any games for purpose of player development this year. I expect him to be a garbage time guy all year. Crabbe took his spot early on after CJ took Will's spot. Our bench is not horrible.

 

[jlprk]

People have suggested we trade the following players this year that are on your list:
Lance Stephenson
Danny Granger
Kyle Singer
Matthew Dellavedova

Not to mentioned CJ isn't even close to the worst PER on the team. Too many current Blazer's on your list as well.

http://bkref.com/tiny/ouKn8

He's not even in the bottom third of the team. Paul Allen teams are often deep, so players develop slowly. Spending a lot has its costs.

 

[riverman]

I can't remember a Blazer coach who's tweaked the lineups as much as Stotts has this season though. It's a competitive bench and that will only increase when Rolo and Freeland come back

 

[Sinobas]

You think so?

A lot of that draft has been disappointing.

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist drafted #2.

Dion Waiters drafted #4.

Thomas Robinson drafted #5.

Harrison Barnes drafted #7.

Austin Rivers drafted #10.

That's five guys drafted in the top 10 who haven't really been anywhere near as good as they were supposed to be.

Are you talking about Meyers Leonard?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

1 pt 1 ast in 12 min.

I'm not seeing a lot of difference between CJ and Nolan Smith right now.