C.J to Bismack Biyombo : You would look good in Black and Red

[sheed30]

I have a feeling we will go after him. Our chances to signing him are higher than the bigger names out there and he fits our need for defense and hustle without messing with the starting 5.

CJ McCollum to Bismack Biyombo: You look good in red and black.
– via Twitter

 

[BonesJones]

I have a feeling we will go after him. Our chances to signing him are higher than the bigger names out there and he fits our need for defense and hustle without messing with the starting 5.

Our chances are higher because he's not that good. If we make him anything higher than a plan G then this offseason will already be a failure. Go big or go home.

 

[selloutking]

long as we don't pay him as much as what people are talking about he might get offers for

 

[Boob-No-More]

Great role player does NOT equal max contract. Anyone that pays him max will end up regretting it.

BNM

 

[Mediocre Man]

Great role player does NOT equal max contract. Anyone that pays him max will end up regretting it.

BNM

This is my thought too. Unfortunately, while he would help us, he will likely command more than he's worth

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

He'd save us from paying Dwert his über max.

CJ shifted his pitch from Whiteside to Biyombo.

 

[sheed30]

I agree, no way he is a MAX player. But if we can get him to a decent contract then I'm all for it. I would rather him over Dwight any day at this point in time.

 

[Mediocre Man]

He'd save us from paying Dwert his über max.

CJ shifted his pitch from Whiteside to Biyombo.

Did CJ realize Whiteside has had two knee injuries?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I agree, no way he is a MAX player. But if we can get him to a decent contract then I'm all for it. I would rather him over Dwight any day at this point in time.

I don't think we can get him for a decent contract.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Marc stein had a tweet saying people around the league thinks biyombos floor this offseason is 15 million.

I would be pissed if we gave him 15 million or more. Fuck that.

 

[SwissBlazer]

Marc stein had a tweet saying people around the league thinks biyombos floor this offseason is 15 million.

I would be pissed if we gave him 15 million or more. Fuck that.

The worst part of this is that 15M may be the best case scenario. This summer is going to be crazy I am afraid.

 

[illmatic99]

15 mil is about to become the new reality for average starter. With a 110 mil cap next year, we should not hesitate to go up to 15-17 for Biz if we deem he can be a consistent starter.

20 mil salary in a league with 110 mil cap next year, is essentially equivalent to a little less than 13 mil in the current cap. A Biz who can give you 8pts, 10 rebs, 2.5 blks is probably worth that.

 

[Blazers Roy]

His nickname at Charlotte was "Bitchsmack Biyombo", we have to get this guy!

 

[speeds]

Obviously.

 

[sheed30]

15 mil is about to become the new reality for average starter. With a 110 mil cap next year, we should not hesitate to go up to 15-17 for Biz if we deem he can be a consistent starter.

20 mil salary in a league with 110 mil cap next year, is essentially equivalent to a little less than 13 mil in the current cap. A Biz who can give you 8pts, 10 rebs, 2.5 blks is probably worth that.

I agree with you %100. This summer will be crazy with the contract offers, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bismack gets his $15 million a year, or close to it.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

So cj wants to send that bitch to the bulls while we put durrant in black and scarlet?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Biyombo isnt worth that much though.

Id rather have teams dump players on us and give us picks as compensation for doing so.

 

[jlprk]

He'd save us from paying Dwert his über max.

You were thinking in German, too, eh?

 

[Sarni]

Depends what you want from our center. If you want him to get 15 ppg and provide a post threat then Biyombo is not your guy. If you want him to rebound failed 3p and mid-range attempts from CJ, Dame and Aminu then you can count on him to do that. IMO we could make it work, especially if we get an offensive power forward.

He will be overpriced because of the cap increase and his playoff performances but it's really $4M a year that could be overboard. He would normally be a $8M player but given the circumstances he will probably go slightly above $11M. He is also so likeable.

 

[jlprk]

Biyombo isnt worth that much though.

Id rather have teams dump players on us and give us picks as compensation for doing so.

I like that plan.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I get the feeling all of our notions about what a contract is worth is about to get turned inside out this summer. Is 15 million a reasonable sum for Biyombo? Not in a sane universe, but when it's all said and done that might look like a steal next to some of the stupid money guys like Crabbe and other middling players are going to get. At least with Biyombo you know you're getting an above average player for your investment.

 

[Pinwheel1]

yeah 15 mil is not too much anymore. I would pay him that for sure. He is a talented UFA, you have to over pay a little if you want to get these guys.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I get the feeling all of our notions about what a contract is worth is about to get turned inside out this summer. Is 15 million a reasonable sum for Biyombo? Not in a sane universe, but when it's all said and done that might look like a steal next to some of the stupid money guys like Crabbe and other middling players are going to get. At least with Biyombo you know you're getting an above average player for that money.

Yeah, I'd really like someone to look at Percent of cap. If 15 mil is x % of next year's cap, what is x % of 2 year's ago cap?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Marc stein had a tweet saying people around the league thinks biyombos floor this offseason is 15 million.

I would be pissed if we gave him 15 million or more. Fuck that.

Biyombo was the beneficiary of a series of extremely fortunate events. Everyone noticed his huge performances in the playoffs, but seemed to overlook that he also had many more games where he was a non-factor and most of his big games came against a MIA team whose biggest starter was Luol Deng, a career SF, and whose most physical inside presence was Josh McRoberts. He had a couple huge games, on national TV, against a severely depleted roster right before his pending free agency.

His "breakout" post season wasn't really.

In 20 post season games, he had 3 double-doubles (2 against MIA and 1 against IND).

In 20 post season games, he was twice as likely to score 5 or fewer points than 10 or more. He scored in double digits in 5 games, 3 against MIA and one each against IND and CLE. Those 5 games were 10, 13, 10, 17 and 12. He also had 10 games of 5, or fewer points. Those games were 5, 2, 3, 0, 0, 3, 4, 3, 5, 4.

He only blocked more than 2 shots three times in 20 games. He had 1, or fewer BLKs in 12 games, including 6 games with 0 BLKs.

If people hated Batum for his inconsistency, they will grow to hate Biyombo, too.

Overall, his "breakout" post season averages were 6.4 ppg. 9.4 rpg and 1.4 bpg - and again, he had most of his big game against a severely depleted MIA team.

For comparison, here's Mason Plumlee's playoff averages: 7.0 ppg, 11.3 rpg, 1.0 bpg. Plumlee also averaged 4.8 apg (Biyombo averaged 0.4 apg) and did it against DeAndre Jprdan and Andrew Bogut, two centers who are MUCH bigger and better defenders than anyone Biyombo faced in the Eastern Conference playoffs.

And, Plumlee will make $2.3 million next season. Anyone still think Biyombo is worth a contract starting at $15 = $20 million per year? I'd love to have Biyombo as a defensive big man off the bench, but not at those prices.

Biyombo is a very good role player, but not starter quality for a contending team. Anyone who pays him $15 - $20 million a year expecting to plug him in as a full time starter will soon regret that decision.

BNM

 

[42N8Bounce]

CJ is such a great ambassador for this team. Great to see him out there interacting with top free agents and planting seeds like this.

 

[riverman]

I get the feeling all of our notions about what a contract is worth is about to get turned inside out this summer. Is 15 million a reasonable sum for Biyombo? Not in a sane universe, but when it's all said and done that might look like a steal next to some of the stupid money guys like Crabbe and other middling players are going to get. At least with Biyombo you know you're getting an above average player for your investment.

This all started with Chandler Parsons getting overpaid, then Wes Mathews getting overpaid...I blame Cuban!

 

[selloutking]

This all started with Chandler Parsons getting overpaid, then Wes Mathews getting overpaid...I blame Cuban!

if things keep going with that trend, he is going to try for howard and miss out, then offer biz some giant contract but still save money compared to the howard money and will think he got a deal

 

[Nikolokolus]

This all started with Chandler Parsons getting overpaid, then Wes Mathews getting overpaid...I blame Cuban!

Those contracts are perfectly in-line with how most of free agency goes. If you want guys to come play for you, then you are almost always paying a premium for somebody that another team was willing to let go. The FA market is about middling to slightly above average players getting paid like superstars.

 

[Boob-No-More]

15 mil is about to become the new reality for average starter. With a 110 mil cap next year, we should not hesitate to go up to 15-17 for Biz if we deem he can be a consistent starter.

20 mil salary in a league with 110 mil cap next year, is essentially equivalent to a little less than 13 mil in the current cap. A Biz who can give you 8pts, 10 rebs, 2.5 blks is probably worth that.

Unfortunately, that Biz does not exist. He's never averaged close to those numbers in any of his 5 NBA seasons. His career bests in each of those categories are: 5.5 ppg, 8.0 rpg and 1.8 bpg. As I just posted, his "breakout" numbers for this post season, doing most of his damage against a severely depleted MIA team, were: 6.4 ppg, 9.4 rpg and 1.6 bpg.

Because of his lack of an offensive game, he will never be a big time starter or play starter minutes. He is a good role player and would be great coming off our bench, but not at the price he's likely to fetch.

I know the cap is going up a lot, and some players will end up being bargains. Biyombo is not one of those players. Out of all the current free agents, he is, in my opinion, the one most likely to end up overpaid. He will be paid starter money, but will never be a quality starter. His game is just too limited.

The sad thing is, I like Biyombo. I understand his limitations and would still like to have him on our bench. He's just in a unique position to be severely overpaid and I think the money he's going to command will be better spent elsewhere. Neil Olshey has shown he's great at getting guys who outperform their contracts - guys like Ed Davis, Aminu and Plumlee. I just can't see him overpaying for a role player like Biyombo.

BNM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yeah, I'd really like someone to look at Percent of cap. If 15 mil is x % of next year's cap, what is x % of 2 year's ago cap?

Since you asked, with a proposed cap of 94M, 15M is 15.957% of the cap. That would equate to 11.17M this past year, or 10M the year before.