Forum Game Call it now - Sharpe's future is.... (1 Viewer)

[AldoTrapani]

Booker turned 26 just 3 days ago; Jaylen Brown turned 26 just 9 days ago; Anthony Edwards is 21; Bennedict Mathurin is 20; Donovan Mitchell turned 26 just 2 months ago; Zach LaVine is 27; Tyler Herro is 22; SGA is 24. Tyrese Maxey is 22; Keldon Johnson turned 23 just 3 weeks ago; Bradley Beal is 29.

I like Sharpe and I'm excited about his upside. But some of you guys might want to slow the roll of the hype train just a little. He might pass guys like Derozan as he ages out, but there are 10-12 SG's that are better now and still in their twenties, so projecting Sharpe as better when almost all of those guys will STILL be in their twenties seems like massive projection thru a Blazer prism

as for trading Simons, I'd do it if the return was somebody like Brandon Ingram or Siakam or maybe even a PJ Washington level player bringing a better fit. But I just don't think Simons has that kind of value, nor will he be gaining it

How do you go to freaking PJ Washington? Lol

 

[wizenheimer]

How in the literal fuck do you go from Ingram/Siakam to P.J. WASHINGTON....if you think Ant and PJ are even close to similar value you aren't watching games...

you'll notice...well I guess you didn't going by your bombastic response....what I said was "maybe even a PJ Washington level player bringing a better fit"

I know a lot of people don't do context on the internet, but they should

 

[Blazer Freak]

Advanced stats can be nice...but Ant has an elite offensive package and has not played nearly as many starting level minutes as PJ Washington who is a good stretch big but no where near elite. I know some still aren't completely sold on Ant, but to compare him even to a "PJ Washington-level" player is ridiculous IMO. **EDIT**: Especially when these are the first true minutes we have of Ant playing next to Dame. These are the floor for him, as he learns to continue to play with and off of Dame. His offensive package is a far better fit next to Dame than CJ's ever was and it will be even more evident as the season progresses and they continue to gel.

Shaedon is 19 and already 6'5. I think any concerns with his ability to play the 3 within a couple years has already faded a bit with the level of instinct he has shown on the defensive end and his length/athleticism. I think within 1-2 years Dame/Ant/Shaedon could potentially be our 1/2/3, and with Ant/Shaedon playing well together that could help take a larger load off of Dame as he ages.

 

[Idog1976]

Booker turned 26 just 3 days ago; Jaylen Brown turned 26 just 9 days ago; Anthony Edwards is 21; Bennedict Mathurin is 20; Donovan Mitchell turned 26 just 2 months ago; Zach LaVine is 27; Tyler Herro is 22; SGA is 24. Tyrese Maxey is 22; Keldon Johnson turned 23 just 3 weeks ago; Bradley Beal is 29.

I like Sharpe and I'm excited about his upside. But some of you guys might want to slow the roll of the hype train just a little. He might pass guys like Derozan as he ages out, but there are 10-12 SG's that are better now and still in their twenties, so projecting Sharpe as better when almost all of those guys will STILL be in their twenties seems like massive projection thru a Blazer prism

as for trading Simons, I'd do it if the return was somebody like Brandon Ingram or Siakam or maybe even a PJ Washington level player bringing a better fit. But I just don't think Simons has that kind of value, nor will he be gaining it

I absolutely categorically refuse to slow my roll in a thread titled "Sharpe's future Call it now". I often appreciate your nitpicking corrections of mine and other's posts, but it's ridiculous to tell someone to slow their roll in a post about Sharpe's long term future. Just period.

 

[wizenheimer]

Advanced stats can be nice...but Ant has an elite offensive package

"elite offensive package"??

what exactly is Ant elite at? I know he was great last year in catch-and-shoot, but he's only around 80th in the NBA this season (not elite)

* He's in the 63rd percentile this season in isolation (not elite); last season he was in 28th percentile (not elite)
* he's in the 47th percentile as a PnR ball-handler (not elite); last season, he was 88th percentile (close to elite)
* he's in the 68th percentile on spot-up (not elite); he was 95% percentile last season (definitely elite)
* he's in the 7th percentile in transition; he was 30th percentile last season (Yikes!)

it looks like where he may be elite is when the team creates his offense, not him creating it for himself. Like a Klay Thompson without the length or defense. If he can get back to where he was on the assisted plays and also maintain his PnR efficiency, then he might be elite. That's not certain though because posting great numbers on a crappy team is not the same as posting great numbers on a good team

and has not played nearly as many starting level minutes as PJ Washington who is a good stretch big but no where near elite. I know some still aren't completely sold on Ant, but to compare him even to a "PJ Washington-level" player is ridiculous IMO. **EDIT**:

I didn't really compare him to Washington. In a thread talking about Shape's upside, which I'd peg as being highest as a SG, I spitballed a possible trade for a player who might be a much better fit. I didn't target Washington, I just used him as an example. If you don't like the PJ exchange, consider a possible trade for a player like OG Anunoby or Bobby Portis or Cameron Johnson. This is all assuming that Sharpe becomes a great SG

Especially when these are the first true minutes we have of Ant playing next to Dame. These are the floor for him, as he learns to continue to play with and off of Dame. His offensive package is a far better fit next to Dame than CJ's ever was and it will be even more evident as the season progresses and they continue to gel.

Shaedon is 19 and already 6'5. I think any concerns with his ability to play the 3 within a couple years has already faded a bit with the level of instinct he has shown on the defensive end and his length/athleticism. I think within 1-2 years Dame/Ant/Shaedon could potentially be our 1/2/3, and with Ant/Shaedon playing well together that could help take a larger load off of Dame as he ages.

I have been one of the people pushing back on the narrative that Dame/Ant would be the Dame/CJ. It was one of the reasons I was happy with last season's trade deadline moves, especially moving CJ. I've been advocating for giving Dame/Ant at least a year to develop a synergy. Dame/CJ got 7 years for chrissakes

I was NOT proposing a specific trade. I was just suggesting a possible reason for considering a Simons trade

 

[wizenheimer]

I absolutely categorically refuse to slow my roll in a thread titled "Sharpe's future Call it now". I often appreciate your nitpicking corrections of mine and other's posts, but it's ridiculous to tell someone to slow their roll in a post about Sharpe's long term future. Just period.

overreact much Francis?

you were very definitely rolling suggesting Sharpe may 'very well be the best SG in the NBA in 3 years'. I mean, we are 7 games into his career.

is that what this thread is?...a no-fly zone for any measured or reasonable assessment of Sharpe's possible NBA future? How many players in history were the best at their position by the time they were 22?

 

[blazerfan11]

Booker turned 26 just 3 days ago; Jaylen Brown turned 26 just 9 days ago; Anthony Edwards is 21; Bennedict Mathurin is 20; Donovan Mitchell turned 26 just 2 months ago; Zach LaVine is 27; Tyler Herro is 22; SGA is 24. Tyrese Maxey is 22; Keldon Johnson turned 23 just 3 weeks ago; Bradley Beal is 29.

I like Sharpe and I'm excited about his upside. But some of you guys might want to slow the roll of the hype train just a little. He might pass guys like Derozan as he ages out, but there are 10-12 SG's that are better now and still in their twenties, so projecting Sharpe as better when almost all of those guys will STILL be in their twenties seems like massive projection thru a Blazer prism

as for trading Simons, I'd do it if the return was somebody like Brandon Ingram or Siakam or maybe even a PJ Washington level player bringing a better fit. But I just don't think Simons has that kind of value, nor will he be gaining it

You're excited about Sharpe's upside of possibly passing Derozan as he ages out? What is exciting about that?

 

[wizenheimer]

You're excited about Sharpe's upside of possibly passing Derozan as he ages out? What is exciting about that?

the comment was in response to Sharpe possibly being the best SG in the NBA in 3 years. I listed around a dozen twenty-something SG's, most of whom will gett better too. Derozan was just an example. he's averaging 25-4-4 so far. In 3 years, yeah, he'll be 36 so you'd anticipate he'll be losing a step as he ages. But his game is smooth and has a lot of guile, so he might not fade rapidly

I'm excited for the style and control Sharpe plays with at 19 years and no college experience. I'm hoping he'll be a top-10 SG, or even top-5. I'm just not counting on it yet

 

[BankTeller]

Yep. He's may very well be the best SG in the league in about 3 years IMO if he is in that position, but I actually think he might be a short SF because otherwise that implies we are trading Ant or Dame which I don't like. Consider Booker etc. will have slowed down most likely and he's a Two-Way player.

I’m gonna give you a scenario and see how hard of a time you have answering this:

Remember how we traded Plumlee for Nurk AND we got a 1st? Let’s say Let’s say Ant makes the ASG this year, and by trade deadline of the 2024-25 season (Sharpe’s year 3) a team offers a guy or two that would really help this team + 3 1sts. Do you love Ant enough to just hang up that call?

All this is hearsay until Sharpe reaches that level, but to me, Sharpe’s development is much more exciting because it just gives me more confidence we’ll be just fine without Ant IF we needed to trade him. And if the right trade came along down the line and we don’t get to championship level contention yet, Ant could fetch us a haul.

 

[Idog1976]

overreact much Francis?

you were very definitely rolling suggesting Sharpe may 'very well be the best SG in the NBA in 3 years'. I mean, we are 7 games into his career.

is that what this thread is?...a no-fly zone for any measured or reasonable assessment of Sharpe's possible NBA future? How many players in history were the best at their position by the time they were 22?

Over parent much Dad? Can't stop won't stop the Sharpe train especially in a wildly speculative thread such as this!

 

[Idog1976]

I’m gonna give you a scenario and see how hard of a time you have answering this:

Remember how we traded Plumlee for Nurk AND we got a 1st? Let’s say Let’s say Ant makes the ASG this year, and by trade deadline of the 2024-25 season (Sharpe’s year 3) a team offers a guy or two that would really help this team + 3 1sts. Do you love Ant enough to just hang up that call?

All this is hearsay until Sharpe reaches that level, but to me, Sharpe’s development is much more exciting because it just gives me more confidence we’ll be just fine without Ant IF we needed to trade him. And if the right trade came along down the line and we don’t get to championship level contention yet, Ant could fetch us a haul.

Oh yeah I would definitely trade Ant for a guy who improves the team and 3 firsts assuming Sharpe is definitely replacing him.

 

[wizenheimer]

Over parent much Dad? Can't stop won't stop the Sharpe train especially in a wildly speculative thread such as this!

again...is it only wild speculation allowed? Nobody can apply a little pressure on the brakes?

I apologize if what I said you took personally. I didn't tell you directly to slow your roll. I simply suggested "some of you guys might want to slow the roll of the hype train just a little" in response to the idea he could be the best SG in the league in 3 years. I'm optimistic about his upside. I'm just not going to set it that high after 7 games

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

I just listened to JackedRamsays interview Lamar Hurd. Hurd's observations about Sharpe were ... INTERESTING. That Sharpe told Hurd he wasn't able to jump like he does now until after rehabbing a broken bone in high school. That he wasn't a good shooter until later in high school. So ... the smoothness, the ease with which even his misses look good and what he's already able to do well ... I'm still not going full hype train. Seven games.

BUT really? The progress in such a short amount of time with that few of games? Sprague is having fun calling Sharpe "Baby Kobe." And I have to say I'm glad he's enjoying himself with the hyperbole. It's fun for him. Even with the loss tonight to Memphis, it's a good day to be a Blazers fan.

 

[Haakzilla]

Dunk Champ.

 

[Natebishop3]

These games are gonna happen. Memphis is tough.

 

[STOMP]

Shaedon is 19 and already 6'5. I think any concerns with his ability to play the 3 within a couple years has already faded a bit with the level of instinct he has shown on the defensive end and his length/athleticism. I think within 1-2 years Dame/Ant/Shaedon could potentially be our 1/2/3

Shaedon is 19, but he recently measured 6'4.25" not 6'5. Thats been NBA SG size for the 40+ years I've been a rabid Blazer fan. Yes he can play the 3. He can also play the 5, but size wise his best position is and will be SG. Dame and Ant are both 6'2 190lbs which is and always has been PG sized though they could play the 5 too ;-).

Dame is 32. Thats on the downside of an NBA career. 33 & 34 puts that on an ever increasing steeper downside. Sorry but there is no tooth ferry and this lineup is not the future.

STOMP

 

[BankTeller]

Shaedon is 19, but he recently measured 6'4.25" not 6'5. Thats been NBA SG size for the 40+ years I've been a rabid Blazer fan. Yes he can play the 3. He can also play the 5, but size wise his best position is and will be SG. Dame and Ant are both 6'2 190lbs which is and always has been PG sized though they could play the 5 too ;-).

Dame is 32. Thats on the downside of an NBA career. 33 & 34 puts that on an ever increasing steeper downside. Sorry but there is no tooth ferry and this lineup is not the future.

STOMP

I don’t know how tall Dame is but Ant looks about 2 inches taller than him these days.

 

[STOMP]

I don’t know how tall Dame is but Ant looks about 2 inches taller than him these days.

These days... so you're trying the he could have grown since his combine argument? Statistically, it's very very rare for guys to significantly grow in their later teens. At his combine Ant was 18 years and 11.5 months old. His NBA listed height & weight haven't changed from his rookie year.

At their respective combines, Dame measured 6'1.75 while Anfernee measured 6'2.25. So according to our best evidence Ant is taller by 1/2". To my eyes Ant clearly looks much closer to Dame then Shaedon in size, who again was recently measured at 6'4.25. Also of note, at their respective combines, all three guys were under 200 lbs.

STOMP

 

[MickZagger]

That was the first game where I feel like he was forcing things.

 

[BankTeller]

Truly shocking how efficient he’s been so far. 51% from the field and 44% 3pt, even after his 1-4 from 3 tonight.

This guy could still probably average 25+ppg one day playing predominantly off the ball.

 

[blazerkor]

This is my prediction for Shae's future but it's not his distant future it's my prediction for the NOLA game tonight. He'll stand in the corner too much and not get enough touches to draw the attention he could if we got him the ball a little more, ran a few plays for him and got him moving off of the ball on almost every possession.

I do not think it's Shae who is refusing to move and camping out in that corner, I think he's been coached to do that on a lot of plays so he doesn't mess us spacing but the coaching staff needs to get more creative with him because they are wasting a valuable weapon that way.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Seemed to me like Sharp drew three defenders every time he touched the ball last night.

 

[Shaboid]

This is my prediction for Shae's future but it's not his distant future it's my prediction for the NOLA game tonight. He'll stand in the corner too much and not get enough touches to draw the attention he could if we got him the ball a little more, ran a few plays for him and got him moving off of the ball on almost every possession.

I do not think it's Shae who is refusing to move and camping out in that corner, I think he's been coached to do that on a lot of plays so he doesn't mess us spacing but the coaching staff needs to get more creative with him because they are wasting a valuable weapon that way.

If someone is coaching him to sit in the corner and be ineffective they should be fired. Why would they be coaching him to do that? Seems asinine to me.

 

[blazerkor]

If someone is coaching him to sit in the corner and be ineffective they should be fired. Why would they be coaching him to do that? Seems asinine to me.

Like I said, I don't see the kid doing that on his own. I also don't see them continuing to give him PT if they're telling him not to but he continues. Lastly, something I said earlier is that they might not want him messing up spacing on some of the plays they run that keep him in the corner like that. Don't get me wrong I think it's asinine too but do you think that Shae sits out plays if he's told not to and if he does do you think Chauncey keeps playing him?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Young Kobe Bryant.

 

[BankTeller]

Young Kobe Bryant.

Young Kobe was nowhere near this kind of shooter.

He’s Kobe-built physically, with Devin Booker’s game and VC’s leaping ability. And efficiency-wise, he’s blowing those guys out the water when comparing rookie seasons.

Bringing Sharpe off the bench might be the best possible thing for him, even if the fans want him starting. Let him get into the mindset of playing efficient basketball for a long stretch, then encourage him to maintain that efficiency when he’s given more opportunities.

I’m just happy he’s scoring efficiently. If he’s shown he can do it in a limited role, he should be able to do it in a larger role as he adds more of his game. It’s all about picking and choosing his spots after that, and that’s a mental thing.

As long as Schimtz can find more scorers in the draft, it shouldn’t be a problem for him to maintain 50/40 if he’s not always the opposing’s focal point on defense.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Thought: Did we, in fact, win the lottery? Was coming up 7th the best result? I love this Sharpe guy. Gotta ask Santa for his jersey.

 

[Natebishop3]

(Using former Blazers)

Hoping for: Gary Trent Jr

Would settle for: Martell Webster

Reality: Darius Miles

Bump.

This is why I love threads like this. I can go back and laugh at Sly!

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Bump.

This is why I love threads like this. I can go back and laugh at Sly!

Im crying, that damn mutt...

Also.

MVP caliber quality.

 

[theprunetang]

Was curious how I voted, so had to go back and check.