Calling Out Chris Kreider

[Messiah717]

I know we all like this kid but frankly he's doing absolutely nothing. We're honestly still waiting for the potential we have seen glimpses of to kick in. I realize he's still only 23 but he needs to seriously get his game jump started.

 

[chuckd3534]

2 goals in 12 Nov games. 4 goals all season. On pace for 16 goals. Not good enough. I think most of us expected 25-30 goals. Hopefully he wakes up soon...we need him.

If Nash wasn't playing like a super stud we'd be in trouble right now, but thankfully he has been so we are right there still. Need to get a run going. Hopefully getting McD back Friday, or more likely Saturday, will get us going. We'll be fully healthy for the 1st time all season.

 

[Stepupstepan]

he needs to find some balls and drive to the net consistently and score some dirty goals. This guy is one of the strongest in the league. Plays way too much on the perimeter.

 

[Ranger71]

They need a roster tweak, or two, and find a way to get Glass out of there.

 

[chuckd3534]

We have a way to get Glass out...just put ANYONE else in for him...LOL.

 

[Ranger71]

Yeah basically, he's flat awful, 3yrs worth. Wow, good one Glen.

 

[Messiah717]

We all know about Glass but when it comes to guys like Kreider you just cannot afford to have one of your top forwards doing nothing. Kevin Klein has four goals as well for christ's sake.

 

[chuckd3534]

For sure, Glass needs to be gone as our 12th forward, but a guy like Kreider not scoring is a bigger issue, same with Zucc really...4 for him also.

Shows you how much Nash has carried this team so far if you really think about it.

 

[theProdigy223]

Kreider has been playing soft ever since he was tossed out of the game
against Minnesota. It's obviously had an effect on the kid. He needs to sack up and start getting after people again.

 

[Ranger71]

Kreider definately needs to produce more, and get around the net. Fast is a decent little player but i would personally include him with Miller and another piece for help now. Someone like Glencross or Boeddker maybe.

 

[Messiah717]

Another big issue with this team is there's no defined leader. Messier would've stuck his foot up Kreider ass by now to get him going.

 

[chuckd3534]

Is that because McD has been out or do you think he needs to find his voice as captain still? I think the latter given he is young and just becoming a leader. I would guess the real leader voices would be Staal, Girardi, and especially MSL? McD and Stepan are the future leaders, but for now I'd say those 3 need to be the main voices (along with McD saying stuff because he is the captain).

 

[Ranger71]

It's actually pretty impressive they're currently in playoff position being as short defensively as they have, but they need to make a move for a forward sooner than later to make them better into the new year.

 

[chuckd3534]

That's what I think also sc. I am really not upset with our current position given all we have been through, but now we have to take off otherwise we risk trouble later in the season.

 

[kreidertime]

Kreider should loose ice time at this point. I would move Duclair up to one of the top 2 lines and Kreider down to the 3rd line.

 

[panzerporter]

Every time CK shows the slightest bit of aggression he gets put in the box. Even at the end of last night's game he gets called for a cross check when he barely touched Stralman. However earlier in the game he received a perfect pass in the slot and took too long to get a shot off. I think AV needs to mix up the lines a bit.

 

[kreidertime]

I was laughing. That imbecile Pasta on SportsHoopla with Doobie, who were the worst trolls on the ESPN boards were actually complaining about me trolling and shutting down the ESPN boards. I tried to tell certain people here that both of those buffoons were mentally impaired and should be in straight jackets.

 

[mrmel29]

I think Kreids will be fine. The kid is all over the place causing havoc in the offensive zone. And yeah he hasn't finished a lot yet but the kid leads the league in posts and if he keeps getting the opportunities the goals will come. I agree with someone who said he's a little leery on his hits after that last bogus game misconduct he got that no one else in the league gets and the league never even looks at the play afterwards. Would like to see some of our veteran like St.Louis and Nash start to get all over these refs when these crap calls happen and let them know the call is bullshit. I think if Messier was here this bullshit with kreider and the refs would have stopped a long time ago. Unfortunately, AV just stands there with that dumb ass look on his face when these calls happen. Wish he would go crazy sometimes even if it costs us a 2 minute penalty to make his point and stand up for his players. As for Glass I'm with you guys. Doesn't appear to be a reasonable explanation why this guy is on the team. He's obviously not here for offense and he doesn't protect his players. If he's here as muscle Big mac would be a much better choice and get a better offensive player on the 4th line.

 

[Messiah717]

I don't want to hear how he will be just fine. He's a complete void out there on the ice. He honestly deserves to be benched right now.

 

[Ranger71]

He's lost defensively.

 

[NYR2009]

It's time to turn Miller and Fast into a 3rd line center, put hayes on wing and get rid of Stepniak and Glass. Rebuild 4th line which shouldn't be that hard as w already have 4th line center. Either Klien or Stall need to be traded as well. I like them both but we cannot go forward with both of the them on the team, or maybe keep both and trade Boyle. He frustrates me!

 

[panzerporter]

I would put CK and Hayes together, nothing wrong with shaking things up a little. CK isn't the only one underperforming, add Zuccarello and Hagelin to the list.

 

[chuckd3534]

We agree 100% on CK and Zucc. CK and Zucc are the killers. Based on career numbers and what you'd expect from Hags he is not underperforming though.

Hags is on pace for 17 goals and 35 points. Guess what he did last season...17 goals and 33 points.

Now I fully understand if you and others want/expect more from Hags, but at this point he is what he is...a 3rd line winger who adds speed. If he scores 16 goals +/- and 35 points +/-, we should be pretty content and that is what we should expect at this point.

CK and Zucc on the other hand are killers. CK we wanted 25-30...he has 4 right now. Zucc we wanted 55-60 (at least 50) points...he is on pace for 35...with only 4 goals right now...no good.

 

[panzerporter]

I do expect more from Hags because his numbers are trending downward, his first season he scored 38 points in 64 games, then 24 points in the shortened 48 game season followed by 33 in 72 games last year. His career numbers are going the wrong way for a guy who has more experience than CK/Zucc and exceptional speed, this year 11 points in 25 games and it's a contract year. Also Hags is a zero physically and marginal at best on defense. I agree CK and Zucc have been disappointing to say the least and I don't know that I would even consider resigning Zucc if I were in Glen's shoes. In my opinion as I've stated before CK needs to be dropped down to the third line with Hayes, bump Hags up to second line to take advantage of his speed with Brassard's passing.

 

[kreidertime]

To me, Duclair needs to be put on the top line. Hayes to wing. Kreider to the 3rd line. Glass, Staal, Miller, and Zucc traded for ROR. Glass has to be included. ROR's value has had to drop. He makes a lot and is always greedy with his contract. His numbers are way down this year. I think that offer can get it done. Av's will try to sign Staal and Zucc. If they can't, they will move them for other pieces. It's a lot to give but ultimately it will save us at least 3 million on the cap as Staal and Zucc will probably make over 9 combined.

Duclair-O'Reilly-Nash
Hagelin-Stepan-St. Louis
Kreider-Brassard-Hayes
Stempniak-Moore-Fast

McDonagh-Girardi
J. Moore-Klein
Hunwick-Boyle

Next year if he's available, I sign Boychuk, trade off Moore and hope St. Louis takes a pay cut. The defense will take a hit this year but the offense will potentially be set for years. Next year you potentially have.

Duclair-O'Reilly-Nash
Buchnevich-Stepan-St. Louis
Kreider-Brassard-Hayes
Hagelin-Moore-Fast

McDonagh-Girardi
Boychuk-Klein
Skjei-Boyle

 

[chuckd3534]

We'll agree to disagree on Hags. To me his numbers are the same as last season, and maybe a very small drop from the prior season. He is essentially on the same pace as last season almost exactly. He is a plus player every season (+5 right now). I view him for what he is. If he scores 16 goals and 35 or so points that's what he is to me.

His high is 17 goals last season...he is on pace for 16 right now.
His high is 38 points his rookie season...he is on pace for 36 right now.
He was a + 10 his 2nd year. A + 8 last year. A + 5 right now.

He is a 3rd line winger.

And if you wanted to say I expect more, okay that if fair but that's on you expecting a player who is what he is to be more. And even if you wanted more...what is more? 18 goals and 40 points? Basically pretty close to what he is on pace for anyway?

I agree 100% on Zucc and CK, they each have 4 goals and Zucc on pace for 35 points, but I don't agree on Hags. He is doing what he does, and exactly what he did last season pretty much. And even if we were to agree he should give us more, we are talking maybe an extra goal or 2 and 3 or 4 extra points...nothing crazy.

 

[theProdigy223]

Well all the geniuses calling for Kreider to be benched without saying who should take his top 6 minutes can breathe easy, he collided with Hagelin in practice and was helped off the ice.

 

[chuckd3534]

I hope it is nothing major, even though he has struggled we need Kreider in there and hopefully playing through and getting out of this rut.

On the flip side it appears Glass will be back in (AV must be related to Glass I guess).



John Moore was paired with Kevin Klein and Tanner Glass was with Dom Moore and Jesper Fast. (NYR)

The Rangers PP units were: Dan Boyle, Ryan McDonagh, Chris Kreider, Derek Stepan and Marty St. Louis. (NYR)

John Moore, Dan Girardi, Rick Nash, Derick Brassard and Mats Zuccarello.


Tanner Glass is on the ice this at Rangers practice today. (NYR)

Glass said that he hopes to play tomorrow against Pitt.

Alain Vigneault was heard telling the players not to stand still.

 

[kreidertime]

Kreider might learn something sitting in the stands. He should try watching. D. Moore. If Kreider played nearly as hard as Moore, he would be putting up about 60 points a season. Kreider is flat out, a lazy dog on the ice way too many games.

 

[Messiah717]

Frankly, I've had it with the excuses for Kreider. Torts is long gone. And spare me the misconduct penalty he got nonsense. What the hell does that have to do with putting the puck in the net?