Camby next year

[hasoos]

I want to see how the "audition" goes, but if it is a good fit, the one thing that might brign Camby back is if he thinks he has a shot at a ring with this group. He will figure that out when he plays with them this spring. Does this group havea shot with him aboard? The answer to that question will probably be more important to re-signing him than anything else.

 

[noknobs]

I want to see how the "audition" goes, but if it is a good fit, the one thing that might brign Camby back is if he thinks he has a shot at a ring with this group. He will figure that out when he plays with them this spring. Does this group havea shot with him aboard? The answer to that question will probably be more important to re-signing him than anything else.

Unfortunately the wife usually has a way of becoming the most important thing. Exhibit A, Turkeyglue.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Camby wants to be in LA with his family. I think it will be harder than most think to re-sign him.

Yeah, that appears to be the big snag.

 

[Natebishop3]

Camby wants to be in LA with his family. I think it will be harder than most think to re-sign him.

Historically wives have loved this city. I'd say there's just as good a chance of her coming up here and liking the city. I've lived in LA. LA is a shit hole.

 

[LittleAlex]

That lineup really doesn't make any sense to me. I don't see any need to play LMA at the three. We've got Batum and Webster, and there should be more than enough minutes to split between Howard, Camby, and Aldridge at power forward and center.

If you have Roy and Batum on the floor with those three you have a huge team that can still get the ball up the floor.

It wouldn't work for an entire game but if you need to shut down scoring in paint it would be a fine line up.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think you guys are overreacting.

LA is a pretty terrible place to raise a family or be married. Its great for single people and for the weather, but the people here are kind of shitty overall. He probably was initially shocked, hates disruptions..but Portland is a pretty nice city to live in. All depends on what he likes...not every player lives in the city they play in....at least full year.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think you guys are overreacting.

LA is a pretty terrible place to raise a family or be married. Its great for single people and for the weather, but the people here are kind of shitty overall. He probably was initially shocked, hates disruptions..but Portland is a pretty nice city to live in. All depends on what he likes...not every player lives in the city they play in....at least full year.

Plus they can buy a huge house here at a fraction of the cost that it would take to live in LA. Most people don't buy down there. It's so damn expensive. 500k to 1 million gets you a fucking mansion in Portland/Tualatin/Lake O.

 

[Draco]

There are a lot of players that don't want to come to Portland because of the weather. He could sign with Miami, Orlando, Houston, Dallas or SA and earn less, but make as much because of state taxes.

If he signed for $6 million per year with one of those teams it would be the equivalent of being paid $6.4million by the Blazers. Only half of his salary would be taxed by Oregon (41 games) and that would be at an 11% state tax rate. So yes it is a difference but the Blazers could easily substantially out-bid MLE teams.

Players have to file state taxes for every arena where they play a game, not where their home team is based out of. Yeah it's a bit harder than my taxes

 

[Draco]

In 3 seasons Greg has played 0,61,21 games for 82 total games out of 246 possible games or 33%
In 6 seasons Joel has played 76,56,43,77,82,30 games for 364 total games out of 492 possible games or 74%
In 14 seasons Marcus has played 63,63,46(of 50),59,63,29,29,72,66,56,70,79,62,51(of 52) games for 808 total games out of 1086 possible games or 74%

If we expect the same probabilities for these guys to play games next season then the chance that all 3 would be healthy for a single game is .33*.74*.74 = 18%

Next I decided to look at minutes played out of possible games.

Greg has played 1816 minutes out of 246 possible games which is 7.4 MPG
Joel has played 8406 minutes out of 492 possible games which is 17.1 MPG
Camby has played 24,824 minutes out of 1086 possible games which is 22.9 MPG

All 3 of those added together are 47.4MPG or less than the full minutes at a single position of a regulation game.

Notes:
1. For Joel I only included games and minutes played since coming to Portland in 2004, prior to that I don’t believe he was a regular rotational player.
2. Now there is an argument that Greg has a smaller sample size with his injuries so the true probability of him playing is higher than 33%. I’m sure that is a possibility, but it’s also very likely he is injured again or has extreme foul issues so I used the actual data even though I hope he reverses the trend.
3. Joel is going to be coming off a major surgery and will not be at full strength for the start of the year, even when he completely recover he may have difficulty reaching the level of performance as he had attained over the previous 6 seasons. So his probability of being healthy could be understated.

 

[Natebishop3]

In 3 seasons Greg has played 0,61,21 games for 82 total games out of 246 possible games or 33%
In 6 seasons Joel has played 76,56,43,77,82,30 games for 364 total games out of 492 possible games or 74%
In 14 seasons Marcus has played 63,63,46(of 50),59,63,29,29,72,66,56,70,79,62,51(of 52) games for 808 total games out of 1086 possible games or 74%

If we expect the same probabilities for these guys to play games next season then the chance that all 3 would be healthy for a single game is .33*.74*.74 = 18%

Next I decided to look at minutes played out of possible games.

Greg has played 1816 minutes out of 246 possible games which is 7.4 MPG
Joel has played 8406 minutes out of 492 possible games which is 17.1 MPG
Camby has played 24,824 minutes out of 1086 possible games which is 22.9 MPG

All 3 of those added together are 47.4MPG or less than the full minutes at a single position of a regulation game.

Notes:
1. For Joel I only included games and minutes played since coming to Portland in 2004, prior to that I don’t believe he was a regular rotational player.
2. Now there is an argument that Greg has a smaller sample size with his injuries so the true probability of him playing is higher than 33%. I’m sure that is a possibility, but it’s also very likely he is injured again or has extreme foul issues so I used the actual data even though I hope he reverses the trend.
3. Joel is going to be coming off a major surgery and will not be at full strength for the start of the year, even when he completely recover he may have difficulty reaching the level of performance as he had attained over the previous 6 seasons. So his probability of being healthy could be understated.

Those are some interesting numbers, but it's hard to bank on injuries happening. Yes, it's great to have insurance in case Oden goes down again, or Joel, or Camby, but what happens if they're all healthy, all season? I'm not sure we will be able to entice Camby to come back if he has to contend for minutes with two other starter-quality centers.

With that said, if Oden goes down for the season again in 2010-2011, or sustains a major injury of any sort, it will be time to move on at that position. I'd start Camby for another year or two while we try to find a suitable replacement.

 

[hasoos]

Unfortunately the wife usually has a way of becoming the most important thing. Exhibit A, Turkeyglue.

That depends on the player. Some players act like that is what it's all about, and then they go to Denver and fuck some hotel desk girl in the pooper!

 

[noknobs]

I think you guys are overreacting.

LA is a pretty terrible place to raise a family or be married. Its great for single people and for the weather, but the people here are kind of shitty overall. He probably was initially shocked, hates disruptions..but Portland is a pretty nice city to live in. All depends on what he likes...not every player lives in the city they play in....at least full year.

I think you're way overstating things. I've lived in both cities, currently LA, and to make a sweeping statement that the entire area is terrible to raise a family or be married in is ridiculous, let alone saying that the people are shitty overall... There are tons of great areas to live around LA, especially when you have a lot of money.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think you're way overstating things. I've lived in both cities, currently LA, and to make a sweeping statement that the entire area is terrible to raise a family or be married in is ridiculous, let alone saying that the people are shitty overall... There are tons of great areas to live around LA, especially when you have a lot of money.

Yes, but that money goes a lot further up here, and Portland is just as nice, and better to raise a family.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think you're way overstating things. I've lived in both cities, currently LA, and to make a sweeping statement that the entire area is terrible to raise a family or be married in is ridiculous, let alone saying that the people are shitty overall... There are tons of great areas to live around LA, especially when you have a lot of money.

No there isn't. The only good places are by the ocean. The rest of LA is a total shithole. AT least for me.

Schools are the shittiest ones in the country, the people are assholes and the property is very expensive.

Beaches, Westside and Pasadena (only exception to the above for raising families)...and even the Westside is debatable.

Camby probably does live by the beach though.

 

[Draco]

Those are some interesting numbers, but it's hard to bank on injuries happening. Yes, it's great to have insurance in case Oden goes down again, or Joel, or Camby, but what happens if they're all healthy, all season? I'm not sure we will be able to entice Camby to come back if he has to contend for minutes with two other starter-quality centers.

With that said, if Oden goes down for the season again in 2010-2011, or sustains a major injury of any sort, it will be time to move on at that position. I'd start Camby for another year or two while we try to find a suitable replacement.

If the rare case happened that all 3 are healthy and performing at a high level we can let Pryzbilla walk or trade him as an expiring. He is a good bench player but I do not consider him a quality starting center in this league. But I do consider Oden and Camby both to be those players. But if you believe Pryzbilla is the same talent level and you believe he will come back 100% then I can see not wanting to resign Camby.

I'm not sure how we "move on" if Oden does get hurt again, does that mean we don't extend his contract and allow him to walk as a free agent? Every other team will know what we do about his injury status. They won't be offering us Carmelo as was rumored at on draft day. They'll be offering us a late first rounder and bench players. Maybe a young underperformer with upside like Bayless. I'd rather keep Oden just as the Cavs kept Big Z for all those years. Eventually Z ended up stringing together multiple healthy productive seasons. Yes that would be a disappointment from what we were hoping for 3 years ago but at this point those are all sunk costs.

 

[Natebishop3]

No there isn't. The only good places are by the ocean. The rest of LA is a total shithole. AT least for me.

Schools are the shittiest ones in the country, the people are assholes and the property is very expensive.

Beaches, Westside and Pasadena (only exception to the above for raising families)...and even the Westside is debatable.

Camby probably does live by the beach though.

I lived over by Hermosa, which was a nice area, but it's super expensive, although not as bad as Beverly Hills.

 

[Natebishop3]

If the rare case happened that all 3 are healthy and performing at a high level we can let Pryzbilla walk or trade him as an expiring. He is a good bench player but I do not consider him a quality starting center in this league. But I do consider Oden and Camby both to be those players. But if you believe Pryzbilla is the same talent level and you believe he will come back 100% then I can see not wanting to resign Camby.

I'm not sure how we "move on" if Oden does get hurt again, does that mean we don't extend his contract and allow him to walk as a free agent? Every other team will know what we do about his injury status. They won't be offering us Carmelo as was rumored at on draft day. They'll be offering us a late first rounder and bench players. Maybe a young underperformer with upside like Bayless. I'd rather keep Oden just as the Cavs kept Big Z for all those years. Eventually Z ended up stringing together multiple healthy productive seasons. Yes that would be a disappointment from what we were hoping for 3 years ago but at this point those are all sunk costs.

I'm not saying we shouldn't re-sign him.... I don't think he will have huge contract demands with his current history... but if Oden spends large chunks of next season on the bench with an injury, I would definitely start looking for a young center or someone that could take over that position long term. Big men are such an important part of championships. If Oden ends up injured every season, which is possible but not necessarily likely, we will need to find another long term answer at that position.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I lived over by Hermosa, which was a nice area, but it's super expensive, although not as bad as Beverly Hills.

Yeah, I live in Playa del Rey, which is not bad either. I want to move to Manhattan Beach though (although its only 10 minutes away). A lot of the athletes live in Manhattan and Hermosa Beach I think.

Beverly Hills sucks.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yeah, I live in Playa del Rey, which is not bad either. I want to move to Manhattan Beach though (although its only 10 minutes away). A lot of the athletes live in Manhattan and Hermosa Beach I think.

Beverly Hills sucks.

Manhattan is expensive. Nice little community though. I love the whole South Bay area. It doesn't feel like LA at all. Different kind of community. The bars are great too.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Manhattan is expensive. Nice little community though. I love the whole South Bay area. It doesn't feel like LA at all. Different kind of community. The bars are great too.

and by bars you mean women!

 

[Natebishop3]

and by bars you mean women!

 

[noknobs]

Yes, but that money goes a lot further up here, and Portland is just as nice, and better to raise a family.

I hate to break it to you, but not everyone feels that way. Some on here need to quit with their little-man Napoleon complex and quit hating on every other city just to make themselves feel better. Money goes a lot further in Wyoming too, I imagine.

No there isn't. The only good places are by the ocean. The rest of LA is a total shithole. AT least for me.

I'm sorry you live in a shit-hole. But you need to look outside your little world.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I'm sorry you live in a shit-hole. But you need to look outside your little world.

Yeah, I live by the beach so its actually nice. 80% of LA is basically a 3rd world shithole though, so in that regard, you are correct. Portland is such a nicer place to live once you want to settle down. LA is a lot better when you're single and have no commitments...that's why people here don't really get married, wheras in Portland, they do (and pretty young).

 

[noknobs]

Yeah, I live by the beach so its actually nice. 80% of LA is basically a 3rd world shithole though, so in that regard, you are correct. Portland is such a nicer place to live once you want to settle down. LA is a lot better when you're single and have no commitments...that's why people here don't really get married, wheras in Portland, they do (and pretty young).

Are you talking about just LA or the entire area from Orange county to Santa Monica to Pasadena? If you're talking about the latter, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Are you talking about just LA or the entire area from Orange county to Santa Monica to Pasadena? If you're talking about the latter, then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

LA County. Sometimes I group places like San Gabriel Valley or the Inbred Empire in that too. OC is pretty nice though (again, usually only by the beach). I have a general theory that I will only want to ever live West of the 405 freeway.

Most of the shit I don't like is around mid-city, Hollyweird, and the Valley.

You live in the Valley, don't you?

 

[Natebishop3]

I hate to break it to you, but not everyone feels that way. Some on here need to quit with their little-man Napoleon complex and quit hating on every other city just to make themselves feel better. Money goes a lot further in Wyoming too, I imagine.



I'm sorry you live in a shit-hole. But you need to look outside your little world.

The Portland Metro area has been consistently ranked as one of the best places to live in America.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2009/top100/

West Linn and Lake Oswego both make the top 100.

Sperlings has us in their top 10 most popular places

http://www.bestplaces.net/

We also make the top 100 on relocate America

http://top100.relocate-america.com/

Los Angeles doesn't even make the list on most of those sites. We are simply stating a fact that Portland is widely considered one of the best places to live/raise a family. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

The majority of LA is dirty, polluted, and expensive. It's over crowded.

 

[noknobs]

The Portland Metro area has been consistently ranked as one of the best places to live in America.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2009/top100/

West Linn and Lake Oswego both make the top 100.

Sperlings has us in their top 10 most popular places

http://www.bestplaces.net/

We also make the top 100 on relocate America

http://top100.relocate-america.com/

Los Angeles doesn't even make the list on most of those sites. We are simply stating a fact that Portland is widely considered one of the best places to live/raise a family. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

I was never comparing Oregon to Los Angeles, I'm not that insecure. I love Oregon, grew up there and will always call it home. I just don't understand the constant need for Oregonians to diss everything related to Los Angeles. It comes across as insecure and pathetic. But, uh, thanks for all your research...

I hear Californians diss Oregon all the time and I hate that as well. Odd how both cities think they're superior to the other.

Also, I don't wear panties.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Yeah, I live by the beach so its actually nice. 80% of LA is basically a 3rd world shithole though, so in that regard, you are correct. Portland is such a nicer place to live once you want to settle down. LA is a lot better when you're single and have no commitments...that's why people here don't really get married, wheras in Portland, they do (and pretty young).

Ptd also has a much higher suicide rate than LA . . . maybe it's because people are getting married earlier in Ptd.

Personally I think it is the weather.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I was never comparing Oregon to Los Angeles, I'm not that insecure. I love Oregon, grew up there and will always call it home. I just don't understand the constant need for Oregonians to diss everything related to Los Angeles. It comes across as insecure and pathetic. But, uh, thanks for all your research...

I hear Californians diss Oregon all the time and I hate that as well. Odd how both cities think they're superior to the other.

Also, I don't wear panties.

LA doesn't think its superior to anyone. Only good thing is the weather and most angelenos know it. the knock on portland is that its a boring city, which it kind of is.

 

[noknobs]

LA doesn't think its superior to anyone. Only good thing is the weather and most angelenos know it. the knock on portland is that its a boring city, which it kind of is.

That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long time.