Politics Can our Republican friends here please explain something...

[tlongII]

No, I would not like to do that.

You can scroll up in this thread and see a link to him saying something very, very similar, however.

barfo

So you were lying? Got it. I think it’s interesting to see liberals complain about Trump lying by posting their own lies.

 

[barfo]

So you were lying? Got it. I think it’s interesting to see liberals complain about Trump lying by posting their own lies.

I was not quoting Trump or any other person. Sorry you weren't able to follow the idea.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

If you're going to provide links that LITERALLY prove that you are wrong you shouldn't use the word literally.

“I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said.

They weren't all neo-Nazis. But legitimate groups that wanted the statues to remain decided to refrain from participating because of the character of those who did march. I mean come on now, these deviants carried torches and I don' t mean flashlights. Also, please note how Trump did not exclude any of the overwhelming deviants in the group from his praise. That's a dog whistle that the neo-Nazis recognized, hence the link to that.

All you do is relieve your frustration with insults without proving anything. Where's the logic?

 

[Lanny]

So you were lying? Got it. I think it’s interesting to see liberals complain about Trump lying by posting their own lies.

More insults? This is the sign of someone with a limited ability to express themselves resulting in frustration spilling out in the form of insults. Why not find fault in the post rather than the poster?

 

[tlongII]

More insults? This is the sign of someone with a limited ability to express themselves resulting in frustration spilling out in the form of insults. Why not find fault in the post rather than the poster?

I was stating a fact. I have no desire to insult barfo.

 

[Lanny]

I was stating a fact. I have no desire to insult barfo.

There's a huge difference between a lie and an untruth. Lies are intentional untruths. Untruths might be a lie or it might be a simple untruth in error.

You obviously see him as telling an untruth but do you really assert that he did so while knowing it wasn't true? That is of course assuming it was an untruth which I am not willing to subscribe to.

Gentlemen which I hope we are, don't call each other liars as well as don't intentionally tell an untruth. The exception is telling your wife you like her new hair style or mention that she appears to have lost weight.

My wife came home with a new dress yesterday that I wasn't particularly fond of but I told her how good it looked. I don't see this as qualifying me as a liar.

We can avoid these situations by criticizing the post and not the poster.

 

[tlongII]

"Adolf Hitler is a very fine person. Hitler is not a Nazi, believe me."

So, I guess that's not praise of a Nazi, by your reading?

barfo

So you don’t think this is a lie? Really?

 

[Lanny]

So you don’t think this is a lie? Really?

I don't know the context.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Not completely different at all.

Praising people at Charlottesville and saying that they aren't nazis doesn't actually make them not nazis.

Unless of course you think everything Trump says is by definition true...

barfo

You have roll call for the people at Charlottesville? You've done studies confirming that all of them are Neo Nazis?

Yeah, I know you don't and haven't.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I was stating a fact. I have no desire to insult barfo.

I do, but stating facts seems to be enough for his buddies.

 

[barfo]

So you don’t think this is a lie? Really?

No, it's not a lie. It's a hypothetical.

Let me spell it out.

Suppose someone said "Adolf Hitler is a very fine..." etc.

If someone said that, would you conclude that they'd not praised any Nazis?

barfo

 

[barfo]

You have roll call for the people at Charlottesville? You've done studies confirming that all of them are Neo Nazis?

Yeah, I know you don't and haven't.

Correct, but I also didn't claim to have.

Has Trump? I think you also know he hasn't either.

barfo

 

[riverman]

You've done studies confirming that all of them are Neo Nazis?

I'm sure there were plenty of KKK folks, Nazi curious rednecks, Aryan brotherhood members, People talking in tongues and playing with snakes, all sorts in Charlottesville to either protest or just share the experience along with free beer and BBQ..probably a few cowboys and waitresses too! Any excuse to show up with patches on your jacket and your shiniest guns on display...sort of a southern country fair

 

[tlongII]

No, it's not a lie. It's a hypothetical.

Let me spell it out.

Suppose someone said "Adolf Hitler is a very fine..." etc.

If someone said that, would you conclude that they'd not praised any Nazis?

barfo

But you didn’t state it as a hypothetical.

 

[barfo]

But you didn’t state it as a hypothetical.

Sorry... meant it to be taken that way, but it could be misread, I agree.

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

But you didn’t state it as a hypothetical.

He equated a made up fairy tale with a real statement Trump made and they were not remotely similar. Fake apples to real oranges.

The important part is we are rehashing the same stuff a year later because we have noobs coming in spewing the same nonsense we got then.

I was making random posts throughout the day while taking breaks from doing home projects and going to the gym and Costco. Painted my 2 year old decorative trim on my garage doors and the house looks brand new again. NV sun takes its toll on painted metal.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Correct, but I also didn't claim to have.

Has Trump? I think you also know he hasn't either.

barfo

But your assumption that they are all Neo Nazis means Trump directly praised Neo Nazis.

You should apply for a job with the Pres, he always seems to have openings.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

He equated a made up fairy tale with a real statement Trump made and they were not remotely similar. Fake apples to real oranges.

The important part is we are rehashing the same stuff a year later because we have noobs coming in spewing the same nonsense we got then.

I was making random posts throughout the day while taking breaks from doing home projects and going to the gym and Costco. Painted my 2 year old decorative trim on my garage doors and the house looks brand new again. NV sun takes its toll on painted metal.

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I know someone who does bodywork if you dent or bend one of those.

 

[riverman]

Trump directly praised Neo Nazis.

what he did was nothing...for too long..then he addressed them..Trump criticized the protesters who wanted the statues gone from the beginning until quite awhile after the school teacher was run over...then he walked it back like he always does...first tweets didn't poll well, he walks them back....later will say he never tweeted them...blah, blah, blah....dude doesn't give two shits about the south really other than his property in Fla.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

what he did was nothing...for too long..then he addressed them..Trump criticized the protesters who wanted the statues gone from the beginning until quite awhile after the school teacher was run over

I am not defending Trump. I'm defending the truth. What you write isn't made up shit. Your opinion is completely valid as usual.

The difference between you and some noobs I've come across is their inability to make factual statements or even appear to read the posts they are responding too.

The Trump pussy grabber comment is another example. You can call it a classless disgusting comment all day and I won't take offense.

People say Trump "literally" said he runs around grabbing women by the pussy. What he said was that he could because he is a star. He then says he just kisses them. I may be a bit off going from memory but I'm a hell of a lot closer to the Huffpost regurgitating dimwits that keep spreading that lie across the internet.

I'm not even sure if all women would rather be kissed against their will or grabbed against their will. Some old skank grabbing my stuff would be less disgusting to me than getting a wrinkly old denture face stuffed into mine but you'd have to ask women about that.

 

[MarAzul]

Why not find fault in the post rather than the poster?

umm, that is rather like finding fault in the gun rather than the shooter.

 

[barfo]

He equated a made up fairy tale with a real statement Trump made and they were not remotely similar. Fake apples to real oranges.

No, I made an attempt to show you why Trump's statement was in fact praising Nazis.

Trump didn't know one way or another who those individuals were or what their beliefs were. From the obvious clues (marching with torches, chanting "Jews will not replace us", etc) most of us concluded that it was a neo-nazi gathering and anyone who would voluntarily choose to participate must have some leanings in that direction, whether or not they self-identify as Nazis. Without specific information about any of the participants, the best case any rational person could make about the participants is that some of them were merely confused or 'running with a bad crowd'.

Saying some of them were 'very fine people' - given that he didn't know them - isn't in any way justified. So why did he say it? He said it to support the marchers generally. Not to support specific 'good ones', because he didn't even know if there were any 'good ones'. He said it because he was mad that he'd been forced to denounce something he actually supported (and to denounce people that supported him). It was a lie, as most everything he says is.

I think you are suffering from cognitive dissonance, not wanting to admit to yourself that the person you voted for is an out-and-out racist. But he is.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

But he is.

Well you can be sure, it is not because you said so.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

No, I made an attempt to show you why Trump's statement was in fact praising Nazis.

Trump didn't know one way or another who those individuals were or what their beliefs were. From the obvious clues (marching with torches, chanting "Jews will not replace us", etc) most of us concluded that it was a neo-nazi gathering and anyone who would voluntarily choose to participate must have some leanings in that direction, whether or not they self-identify as Nazis. Without specific information about any of the participants, the best case any rational person could make about the participants is that some of them were merely confused or 'running with a bad crowd'.

Saying some of them were 'very fine people' - given that he didn't know them - isn't in any way justified. So why did he say it? He said it to support the marchers generally. Not to support specific 'good ones', because he didn't even know if there were any 'good ones'. He said it because he was mad that he'd been forced to denounce something he actually supported (and to denounce people that supported him). It was a lie, as most everything he says is.

I think you are suffering from cognitive dissonance, not wanting to admit to yourself that the person you voted for is an out-and-out racist. But he is.

barfo

Blah blah blah. He may be 100 percent card carrying Nazi. He literally may have a tiny swastika on his tiny junk.

You claiming that his statement says what you say it does is utter bullshit.

His history of not renting to black people for whatever reason is proof that he's a racist. Why not stick with facts instead of lying?

 

[barfo]

Blah blah blah. He may be 100 percent card carrying Nazi. He literally may have a tiny swastika on his tiny junk.

You claiming that his statement says what you say it does is utter bullshit.

His history of not renting to black people for whatever reason is proof that he's a racist. Why not stick with facts instead of lying?

There's no lying going on here. His actual words are on tape, we both have access to them. The facts aren't in question. Your interpretation of his words differs from mine, that's all. If you really want to believe he saw some good people in that march on his TV and wanted to single them out for praise, you can do that. Free country.

I am not defending Trump. I'm defending the truth.

No, you are using literalism as a shield to mask your defense of Trump.

Whether Trump said he grabs them by the pussy or if he said one can grab them by the pussy or if he said they let you grab them by the pussy .. . just isn't really all that relevant, unless someone is arguing in court that his statement is literally a confession of a specific instance of criminal behavior.

What matters is not his precise phrasing, but that it is a "classless disgusting comment", as you yourself put it.

So why are you defending him? Why is it a call to arms to you when a poster imprecisely quotes Trump? Do you do the same for, say, Nancy Pelosi?

Is it really Truth? Or is it Trump?

barfo

 

[barfo]

Well you can be sure, it is not because you said so.

True. My saying he's racist doesn't make him racist. His decades of racist actions and statements are what identifies him as a racist.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

True. My saying he's racist doesn't make him racist.
>>>> True, true! Now lets move on.
barfo

Do you do the same for, say, Nancy Pelosi?

I want to hear your Nancy Pelosi! I find her disgusting, but you seem to like her.

Go!

 

[barfo]

I want to hear your Nancy Pelosi! I find her disgusting, but you seem to like her.

Go!

I don't actually have much interest in her myself at this moment, but I'm pretty sure if a poster slightly misquoted her Bodyman would not leap upon his trusty steed Truth and dash to her rescue. If you want, you can misquote her, and we'll see what happens.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

I don't actually have much interest in her myself at this moment, but I'm pretty sure if a poster slightly misquoted her Bodyman would not leap upon his trusty steed Truth and dash to her rescue. If you want, you can misquote her, and we'll see what happens.

barfo

Well ok, I will try. But I must admit, I can only remember one thing she has said, and I am not exactly sure I have that right. But here goes;

"You have to pass it, before you can read it!"

Let me know I did?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Every month that we do not have an economic recovery package 500 million Americans lose their jobs.

Nancy Pelosi