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Assuming they would come here, are we under the cap? Can we sign Boozer if he is amnestied, or Bynum when the Bulls waive him?
 
They both can be signed for vet minimum if they clear waivers.

I bet Boozer won't clear waivers.
 
Not interested in Bynum, not in the least.

Boozer for the vet minimum? Even though I hate the guy, yes, please...
 
No interest in either. Lopez+Robinson+CJ for Joakim Noah though?
 
BlazerWookee said:
I wouldn't trade Darius Miles for Joakim Noah.
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I would!

The "Oh hell no" has more to do with Lopez. He has become our true anchor for chemistry. I think he is at the "untradable" level right now. At least so far.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Assuming they would come here, are we under the cap? Can we sign Boozer if he is amnestied, or Bynum when the Bulls waive him?
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We are over the cap and have used all available (non-Vet-min) exceptions. When Bynum is waived (since no one is taking on his full salary, he will pass through waivers) he will be UFA and will be eligible to sign with anyone for the vet minimum or any team using their existing cap space.

Amnesty is a different thing. It goes in 3 tiers, basically. Once a player is waived by anmesty, he goes into a modified waiver process. Teams have the ability to make the following bids:
1) Full claim. The team has to have the cap space to accept his entire 15.3M salary this year, and is on the hook for the 16.8M next year. No one has enough cap space to do this (PHI has the most, with about 10M)
2) Partial claim. A team cap use whatever cap space they have between a "minimum partial bid" (in Boozer's case, 2 years of the vet minimum or 2.8M, of which 1.4M in cap room has to be available toward this year's cap) and their max cap space. Highest dollar amount wins.
3) No bid. In this case, once the player clears waivers he is a UFA just like regular waivers.

Coon CBA #67 talks more about amnesty
 
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BlazerBeav is right. Amnesty's only available in the 7 days after the moratorium.
 
BrianFromWA said:
We are over the cap and have used all available (non-Vet-min) exceptions. When Bynum is waived (since no one is taking on his full salary, he will pass through waivers) he will be UFA and will be eligible to sign with anyone for the vet minimum or any team using their existing cap space.

Amnesty is a different thing. It goes in 3 tiers, basically. Once a player is waived by anmesty, he goes into a modified waiver process. Teams have the ability to make the following bids:
1) Full claim. The team has to have the cap space to accept his entire 15.3M salary this year, and is on the hook for the 16.8M next year. No one has enough cap space to do this (PHI has the most, with about 10M)
2) Partial claim. A team cap use whatever cap space they have between a "minimum partial bid" (in Boozer's case, 2 years of the vet minimum or 2.8M, of which 1.4M in cap room has to be available toward this year's cap) and their max cap space. Highest dollar amount wins.
3) No bid. In this case, once the player clears waivers he is a UFA just like regular waivers.

Coon CBA #67 talks more about amnesty
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Is it true that he can't be amnestied until July?
 
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Coon CBA #67 said:
For the 2012-13 through 2015-16 seasons it is available for the first seven days that follow the July moratorium (see question number 102). The waiver period for amnestied players is 48 hours, the same as all other waivers.
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None of the players mentioned in this thread would improve the team in the slightest.

We have a full team with no obvious weaknesses other than an inexperienced bench. Stand pat, spread out the PT, and enjoy.
 
BrianFromWA said:
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Then why would we even bring this up? There will be a lot of teams that will have cap space this July. There is absolutely zero chance he clears all waivers. The second tier will easily pick him up because he's worth that amount.
 
magnifier661 said:
I would!

The "Oh hell no" has more to do with Lopez. He has become our true anchor for chemistry. I think he is at the "untradable" level right now. At least so far.
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While the chemistry is important Noah is so much more talented in every facet of the game. He has also always gotten along with his teammates and has been a + chemistry guy in his time in Chicago. He's an enforcer. He's everything most fans have asked for for years. Lopez is a nice player but no player should be untradeable. If Miami wanted to give us LeBron for LMA and Dame It would be a no brainer despite our chemistry. Talent trumps Chemistry every time, especially if the guy you are adding is a good chemistry guy.
 
ponderguy said:
While the chemistry is important Noah is so much more talented in every facet of the game. He has also always gotten along with his teammates and has been a + chemistry guy in his time in Chicago. He's an enforcer. He's everything most fans have asked for for years. Lopez is a nice player but no player should be untradeable. If Miami wanted to give us LeBron for LMA and Dame It would be a no brainer despite our chemistry. Talent trumps Chemistry every time, especially if the guy you are adding is a good chemistry guy.
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Tell that to Brooklyn and New York. Or how about the Lakers last season? If I were to tell you that Kobe, Howard, Gasol and Nash are your starting 5, according to your logic, they would be hands down favorites for the championship.

This is why people like you aren't the GM and the Olshey's are running winning ball-clubs
 
MARIS61 said:
None of the players mentioned in this thread would improve the team in the slightest.

We have a full team with no obvious weaknesses other than an inexperienced bench. Stand pat, spread out the PT, and enjoy.
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EVERY team has weaknesses. Our bench is inexperienced? We have 11 year veteran Mo Williams, Joel Freeland is only in his second year in the NBA but he has played pro ball overseas for years and Dorell Wright is in his 10th year. No one else is seeing significant minutes on the bench except for Leonard/Robinson. We need bench scoring badly, which CJ SHOULD help with but no guarantees until he actually starts playing. Our center that so many seem to be scared to trade is a terrible defender when pulled out of the paint. Batum has more turnovers than anyone else on the team. We've been extremely lucky with injuries so far as well, none of our major guys have had to really miss time yet. You NEVER stand pat or you will watch teams start passing you by.
 
ponderguy said:
EVERY team has weaknesses. Our bench is inexperienced? We have 11 year veteran Mo Williams, Joel Freeland is only in his second year in the NBA but he has played pro ball overseas for years and Dorell Wright is in his 10th year. No one else is seeing significant minutes on the bench except for Leonard/Robinson. We need bench scoring badly, which CJ SHOULD help with but no guarantees until he actually starts playing. Our center that so many seem to be scared to trade is a terrible defender when pulled out of the paint. Batum has more turnovers than anyone else on the team. We've been extremely lucky with injuries so far as well, none of our major guys have had to really miss time yet. You NEVER stand pat or you will watch teams start passing you by.
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But you wanted to trade our bench and veteran for 1 player. Kinda kills your entire argument.
 
No, this would be a Rod Strickland move. Terrible idea.
 
I'd love to get Boozer! But would he be happy playing only 15 minutes a game?
 
magnifier661 said:
Tell that to Brooklyn and New York. Or how about the Lakers last season? If I were to tell you that Kobe, Howard, Gasol and Nash are your starting 5, according to your logic, they would be hands down favorites for the championship.

This is why people like you aren't the GM and the Olshey's are running winning ball-clubs
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You must take situations into account though.

The Knicks have been ravaged by injuries this year. Chandler missed a huge chunk of the season and their PG situation is a mess. JR Smith is playing some of the worst ball of his career and Iman Shumpert has been in a funk most of the year. A'mare Stoudemire is the most overpaid player in the league and Andrea Bargnani is starting for this team. I would never call this team as a whole a world class talent. Carmelo Anthony is the only reason they don't have the worst record in the league, whether people want to acknowledge that or not.

Brooklyn on the other hand bet HARD on veterans that were already far past their prime. Deron Williams hasn't been THE Deron Williams for years now and Brook Lopez is hurt. They also have a head coach with no experience and no idea what he is doing.

The Lakers also had a major problem with how the coach fit that roster last year. Phil Jackson would have gotten that team to put their personal issues aside and found ways to get everyone the ball. D'Antoni was one of the worst choices they could have gotten for a old team built around big men who like to post up and a ISO baller in Kobe.

We are discussing Joakim Noah vs Lopez here. Noah is a fantastic team player. He is a fantastic defender and had had double digits in rebounding every year of his career except for his rookie season when he had 9.8. He passes the ball VERY well and would be a natural fit in Stotts system (4 apg last year!) Noah is also someone Olshey has tried to land in the past so he is one of the more realistic targets out there now that Chicago seems to be blowing it up.
 
ponderguy said:
You must take situations into account though.

The Knicks have been ravaged by injuries this year. Chandler missed a huge chunk of the season and their PG situation is a mess. JR Smith is playing some of the worst ball of his career and Iman Shumpert has been in a funk most of the year. A'mare Stoudemire is the most overpaid player in the league and Andrea Bargnani is starting for this team. I would never call this team as a whole a world class talent. Carmelo Anthony is the only reason they don't have the worst record in the league, whether people want to acknowledge that or not.

Brooklyn on the other hand bet HARD on veterans that were already far past their prime. Deron Williams hasn't been THE Deron Williams for years now and Brook Lopez is hurt. They also have a head coach with no experience and no idea what he is doing.

The Lakers also had a major problem with how the coach fit that roster last year. Phil Jackson would have gotten that team to put their personal issues aside and found ways to get everyone the ball. D'Antoni was one of the worst choices they could have gotten for a old team built around big men who like to post up and a ISO baller in Kobe.

We are discussing Joakim Noah vs Lopez here. Noah is a fantastic team player. He is a fantastic defender and had had double digits in rebounding every year of his career except for his rookie season when he had 9.8. He passes the ball VERY well and would be a natural fit in Stotts system (4 apg last year!) Noah is also someone Olshey has tried to land in the past so he is one of the more realistic targets out there now that Chicago seems to be blowing it up.
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First of all, I love Noah and would love to have him on this ball club. But you are not doing a swap of Lopez for Noah. You wanted to trade T. Rob, Lopez and Freeland for Noah. You just got rid of our "glue guy" anchor down low, which I believe Noah can fill in and be better at; but we become insanely thin. Who's gonna back up Noah and Aldridge?
 
magnifier661 said:
But you wanted to trade our bench and veteran for 1 player. Kinda kills your entire argument.
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No, it doesn't. Robinson has been replaced by Leonard in the rotation. If he is traded away we aren't losing anything from our bench right now. CJ hasn't played a game in the NBA yet, if we trade him we aren't harming the chemistry or hurting the current rotation. Lopez is leaving but being replaced with a better player. Chicago does the deal to get two young prospects at positions of need for them while also getting a guy who can play in Noahs role in the scheme.
 
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magnifier661 said:
First of all, I love Noah and would love to have him on this ball club. But you are not doing a swap of Lopez for Noah. You wanted to trade T. Rob, Lopez and Freeland for Noah. You just got rid of our "glue guy" anchor down low, which I believe Noah can fill in and be better at; but we become insanely thin. Who's gonna back up Noah and Aldridge?
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I wanted to do Lopez+Robinson+CJ McCollum for Noah
 
ponderguy said:
I wanted to do Lopez+Robinson+CJ McCollum for Noah
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Can we just wait until CJ plays first? He may become something very special for this ball club, especially since he's so much better at finishing around the basket.
 
magnifier661 said:
Can we just wait until CJ plays first? He may become something very special for this ball club, especially since he's so much better at finishing around the basket.
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I don't like trading CJ away. He could be a very good player. My thinking on this is Noah is a all star level player right now. You have so few opportunities to add a player of that caliber and we would then have 4 guys with all star level production and 1 guy with MVP level production in our starting lineup. Robinson and CJ could both be great players someday but our window is now with LMA. I really feel like we have to make the most of it. We can always add more guys off the bench for low salaries, like we did with Mo and Dorell last summer to fill out the roster and help fill in gaps.
 
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