Can we get Boozer or Bynum?

[Boob-No-More]

We are discussing Joakim Noah vs Lopez here. Noah is a fantastic team player. He is a fantastic defender and had had double digits in rebounding every year of his career except for his rookie season when he had 9.8.

No he hasn't. He average 5.6 REB/G his rookie year, 7.6 REB/G his second year and 9.8 REB/G in 2011-12.

BNM

 

[magnifier661]

I don't like trading CJ away. He could be a very good player. My thinking on this is Noah is a all star level player right now. You have so few opportunities to add a player of that caliber and we would then have 4 guys with all star level production and 1 guy with MVP level production in our starting lineup. Robinson and CJ could both be great players someday but our window is now with LMA. I really feel like we have to make the most of it. We can always add more guys off the bench for low salaries, like we did with Mo and Dorell last summer to fill out the roster and help fill in gaps.

You make this trade and our season is over. Noah is the type of acquisition you get in summer, so you can implement him into the starting rotation. You get him now and he must relearn so much in so little time. We would not contend this season, which is something I am totally against.

 

[BlazerWookee]

You make this trade and our season is over. Noah is the type of acquisition you get in summer, so you can implement him into the starting rotation. You get him now and he must relearn so much in so little time. We would not contend this season, which is something I am totally against.

Noah's the type of acquisition you get and then you go to the doctor to see if there's a shot he can give you for it.

 

[dviss1]

I wouldn't trade Darius Miles for Joakim Noah.

That's just foolish. I don't know what you have against the guy but he is a fuckin WARRIOR.

 

[e_blazer]

The Bulls can't trade Noah and have any hope of keeping Rose happy. With those two pieces, they can fill in around them over the summer and field a competitive team.

 

[dviss1]

Joakim might be better than Lopez but understand when your trading away fan favorites it's a no go!

Joakim would INSTANTLY be a fan favorite.

 

[BlazerWookee]

That's just foolish. I don't know what you have against the guy but he is a fuckin WARRIOR.

So is K*be Bryant. So was Allen Iverson. So was Ruben Patterson. Doesn't mean I want any of them on my team.

 

[Mediocre Man]

We are over the cap and have used all available (non-Vet-min) exceptions. When Bynum is waived (since no one is taking on his full salary, he will pass through waivers) he will be UFA and will be eligible to sign with anyone for the vet minimum or any team using their existing cap space.

Amnesty is a different thing. It goes in 3 tiers, basically. Once a player is waived by anmesty, he goes into a modified waiver process. Teams have the ability to make the following bids:
1) Full claim. The team has to have the cap space to accept his entire 15.3M salary this year, and is on the hook for the 16.8M next year. No one has enough cap space to do this (PHI has the most, with about 10M)
2) Partial claim. A team cap use whatever cap space they have between a "minimum partial bid" (in Boozer's case, 2 years of the vet minimum or 2.8M, of which 1.4M in cap room has to be available toward this year's cap) and their max cap space. Highest dollar amount wins.
3) No bid. In this case, once the player clears waivers he is a UFA just like regular waivers.

Coon CBA #67 talks more about amnesty

So no?

 

[BlazerWookee]

So no?

Yes, no.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Joakim would INSTANTLY be a fan favorite.

Well if you could get Joakim for Lopez+ you would be a fool not to at least consider that?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

So we get in talk with a team under the cap. We have them make a play on Boozer for a partial claim (5-7 mil). Then we trade a couple of young prospects for Boozer.

Doable?

 

[e_blazer]

Yes, no.

Exactly. Yes on Bynum, no on Boozer. Assuming Bynum clears waivers, which he will, and assuming he wanted to sign with the Blazers for the Vets Minimum, which he most likely won't, the Blazers could sign him. They'd have to waive a player first, but there wouldn't be any other CBA impediment to making the deal. Boozer could have only been amnestied for this season during the 7 days after the the July moratorium, so he won't be available.

 

[Denny Crane]

The question was "can we get" these players. The question didn't include "when."

So yes, yes is possible. But I don't think Boozer makes it through waivers. Some team will certainly pick him up.

 

[Strenuus]

No to Bynum for logical and practical reasons.

No to Boozer for practical reasons, unfortunately.

 

[e_blazer]

The question was "can we get" these players. The question didn't include "when."

So yes, yes is possible. But I don't think Boozer makes it through waivers. Some team will certainly pick him up.

Technically correct, I suppose. Given the overarching context of all of MM's previous posts about improving the Blazers' depth at the big positions in order to improve their chances in the playoffs this season, I'd say my response contains the information he was looking for.

 

[ponderguy]

No he hasn't. He average 5.6 REB/G his rookie year, 7.6 REB/G his second year and 9.8 REB/G in 2011-12.

BNM

i got crosseyed, was looking at per 36

 

[Mediocre Man]

Technically correct, I suppose. Given the overarching context of all of MM's previous posts about improving the Blazers' depth at the big positions in order to improve their chances in the playoffs this season, I'd say my response contains the information he was looking for.

The response I was looking for is if we chose to do so, could we sign Bynum and or Boozer if he is amnestied this year to help us this year.

 

[ponderguy]

You make this trade and our season is over. Noah is the type of acquisition you get in summer, so you can implement him into the starting rotation. You get him now and he must relearn so much in so little time. We would not contend this season, which is something I am totally against.

We've seen plenty of teams implement a new starter in their rotation and immediately contend just in the last decade. Pau Gasol and Rasheed Wallace were huge pieces of Detroit and LA's runs

 

[BrianFromWA]

The response I was looking for is if we chose to do so, could we sign Bynum and or Boozer if he is amnestied this year to help us this year.

to answer the specific question (to help us this year), we could only offer Bynum the vet minimum. He'd be (most likely) a UFA, and could sign anywhere.

There's nothing we can do for Boozer, other than a trade with about 11M going out.

 

[magnifier661]

We've seen plenty of teams implement a new starter in their rotation and immediately contend just in the last decade. Pau Gasol and Rasheed Wallace were huge pieces of Detroit and LA's runs

We've seen more teams get cluster fucked then teams being successful. Look no further than when we signed Rod Strickland mid season and imploded.

 

[Boob-No-More]

The response I was looking for is if we chose to do so, could we sign Bynum and or Boozer if he is amnestied this year to help us this year.

Boozer this year? Yes, in July. This season? No.

BNM

 

[ponderguy]

We've seen more teams get cluster fucked then teams being successful. Look no further than when we signed Rod Strickland mid season and imploded.

I would argue that it is easier to add a big into the rotation than a PG

 

[BigGameDamian]

I just can't see Boozer being happy about backing up Aldridge for 15-20 minutes a game. Boozer needs more time than that.

 

[BBert]

Just because the Rod Strickland incident caused problems does not mean any such player acquisition would. The Blazers acquired Marcus Camby in mid-February for Blanky and Travis, and immediately improved the team. (No Camby problems surfaced until his last season with the Blazers.)

 

[BigGameDamian]

Just because the Rod Strickland incident caused problems does not mean any such player acquisition would. The Blazers acquired Marcus Camby in mid-February for Blanky and Travis, and immediately improved the team. (No Camby problems surfaced until his last season with the Blazers.)

Who did the Blazers have playing Center before Camby came?

 

[ponderguy]

Who did the Blazers have playing Center before Camby came?

I think Oden & Pryzbilla?

 

[magnifier661]

Just because the Rod Strickland incident caused problems does not mean any such player acquisition would. The Blazers acquired Marcus Camby in mid-February for Blanky and Travis, and immediately improved the team. (No Camby problems surfaced until his last season with the Blazers.)

But we weren't competing for a title then. This is a little different. The expectations are higher, and a problem could create a escalated negative reaction.

The reason I brought up Strickland was we were contending before he arrived, then became a first round and out team the moment the trade happened. In Camby's case, we moved players that weren't difference makers for this team for a player that we desperately needed. We don't "desperately need a starting center". That's the difference, IMO.

 

[BBert]

Yes, different situations. Each situation is different. I don't think we should use either as a basis for a decision whether to tweek the roster this season.

For what it's worth, which is exactly zero of anything, I doubt the Blazers make any moves. Unless of course someone makes them an offer they can't refuse. They aren't stupid.

 

[BBert]

But we weren't competing for a title then. This is a little different. The expectations are higher, and a problem could create a escalated negative reaction.

The reason I brought up Strickland was we were contending before he arrived, then became a first round and out team the moment the trade happened. In Camby's case, we moved players that weren't difference makers for this team for a player that we desperately needed. We don't "desperately need a starting center". That's the difference, IMO.

Bringing in Detlef Schrempf for the playoffs also did not end well. You could visibly see the stress on his and other players' faces and body language.

 

[magnifier661]

Yes, different situations. Each situation is different. I don't think we should use either as a basis for a decision whether to tweek the roster this season.

For what it's worth, which is exactly zero of anything, I doubt the Blazers make any moves. Unless of course someone makes them an offer they can't refuse. They aren't stupid.

Listen, I absolutely would love to have Noah on this team. I think he would be such a strong addition. But there are things we should consider.

1.) Chicago would laugh if we offered CJ, Lopez and T. Rob for Noah
2.) Too late in the season to swing for the fences when we are already doing well. (Playing with house money, since we weren't even considered a top 10 team)
3.) Lopez has done a fine job as our starter. If any choice is made, we need to look at a bench player.