Can we get in playoff postion?

[Orion Bailey]

Thompson had a damn good year 2 years ago. 41% from 3 and 46% from 2, with a 53% eFG in 81 games. Also shot 80% from the line. I consider that to be a damn good "2nd fiddle" to Curry that year.

And next year his numbers all went up.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html

Percentages are only relative to actual PPG. Just look at Meyers last year. Did Thompson make the all star game? Was he even close to getting the votes? Not that I recall. I think we have CJ who is just as good as Thompson two years ago. Not the same type of players, but still can provide just as much upside to the respective teams.



KLAY THOMPSON
Per Game
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Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2011-12 21 GSW NBA SG 66 29 24.4 4.8 10.9 .443 1.7 4.1 .414 3.1 6.8 .460 .520 1.2 1.4 .868 0.4 2.1 2.4 2.0 0.7 0.3 1.6 2.3 12.5
2012-13 22 GSW NBA SG 82 82 35.8 6.2 14.7 .422 2.6 6.4 .401 3.6 8.3 .437 .509 1.6 1.9 .841 0.4 3.3 3.7 2.2 1.0 0.5 1.9 2.9 16.6
2013-14 23 GSW NBA SG 81 81 35.4 6.9 15.5 .444 2.8 6.6 .417 4.1 8.9 .464 .533 1.8 2.3 .795 0.5 2.6 3.1 2.2 0.9 0.5 1.7 2.9 18.4
2014-15 ★ 24 GSW NBA SG 77 77 31.9 7.8 16.9 .463 3.1 7.1 .439 4.7 9.8 .481 .555 2.9 3.3 .879 0.4 2.9 3.2 2.9 1.1 0.8 1.9 1.6 21.7
2015-16 25 GSW NBA SG 18 18 31.3 6.1 13.3 .454 2.5 6.1 .413 3.6 7.3 .489 .548 1.7 2.0 .833 0.4 3.1 3.4 2.5 0.5 0.8 1.9 2.2 16.3


I see these numbers being very similar to CJ over the next two years. CJ is averaging almost 20 ppg just like Klay in 13-14. I expect CJ to be better next year. Not that he improves his shot, but his shot selection as he gets into NBA veteran awareness.

I do not see GS being much different 2-3 years ago, than what we are now.

 

[Strenuus]

A few things changed that boosted GS to a championship.....Curry and Bogut stayed pretty much out of injury trouble..they signed Iggy and talked him into becoming a 6th man and they hired Steve Kerr...letting Monte Ellis go gets honorable mention as well...Iggy was a difference maker.

So, roster shifts, you say.

 

[Strenuus]

Percentages are only relative to actual PPG. Just look at Meyers last year. Did Thompson make the all star game? Was he even close to getting the votes? Not that I recall. I think we have CJ who is just as good as Thompson two years ago. Not the same type of players, but still can provide just as much upside to the respective teams.



KLAY THOMPSON
Per Game
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Season Age Tm Lg Pos G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% eFG% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2011-12 21 GSW NBA SG 66 29 24.4 4.8 10.9 .443 1.7 4.1 .414 3.1 6.8 .460 .520 1.2 1.4 .868 0.4 2.1 2.4 2.0 0.7 0.3 1.6 2.3 12.5
2012-13 22 GSW NBA SG 82 82 35.8 6.2 14.7 .422 2.6 6.4 .401 3.6 8.3 .437 .509 1.6 1.9 .841 0.4 3.3 3.7 2.2 1.0 0.5 1.9 2.9 16.6
2013-14 23 GSW NBA SG 81 81 35.4 6.9 15.5 .444 2.8 6.6 .417 4.1 8.9 .464 .533 1.8 2.3 .795 0.5 2.6 3.1 2.2 0.9 0.5 1.7 2.9 18.4
2014-15 ★ 24 GSW NBA SG 77 77 31.9 7.8 16.9 .463 3.1 7.1 .439 4.7 9.8 .481 .555 2.9 3.3 .879 0.4 2.9 3.2 2.9 1.1 0.8 1.9 1.6 21.7
2015-16 25 GSW NBA SG 18 18 31.3 6.1 13.3 .454 2.5 6.1 .413 3.6 7.3 .489 .548 1.7 2.0 .833 0.4 3.1 3.4 2.5 0.5 0.8 1.9 2.2 16.3


I see these numbers being very similar to CJ over the next two years. CJ is averaging almost 20 ppg just like Klay in 13-14. I expect CJ to be better next year. Not that he improves his shot, but his shot selection as he gets into NBA veteran awareness.

I do not see GS being much different 2-3 years ago, than what we are now.

15 shots a game is nothing to sniff at.

Regardless, CJ has 18 games and was injured his first couple of years and we only saw sparse production out of him until Memphis. Is it possible he goes up to Klay status? Of course. But lets not say he's averaging Klay numbers when he hasn't even played a third of what Klay played that year.

I know we badly want CJ to be the second star, and I do honestly think he has the potentinal to be... but lets not put the cart before the horse either.

(Also, in before KS says he's already a star.)

 

[Orion Bailey]

So, roster shifts, you say.

But nothing major. They didn't have to go sign LBJ or trade half their team to make those moves. I think even Kingspeed would say we still need to make a couple moves to contend, but we dont need the major moves that many insinuate.

 

[Orion Bailey]

15 shots a game is nothing to sniff at.

Regardless, CJ has 18 games and was injured his first couple of years and we only saw sparse production out of him until Memphis. Is it possible he goes up to Klay status? Of course. But lets not say he's averaging Klay numbers when he hasn't even played a third of what Klay played that year.

I know we badly want CJ to be the second star, and I do honestly think he has the potentinal to be... but lets not put the cart before the horse either.

(Also, in before KS says he's already a star.)

But a percent is a percent and an average is an average. , CJ absolutely has a possibility of regressing, but AT THIS TIME. he is putting numbers up that match Klay 2 years ago. That isnt opinion. Its fact.

I think CJ is close to becoming a star. He can get to the hoop which is a huge asset compared to Klay who cant. I think most teams would much rather have a CJ over a Klay.


In reality, I think we are all mostly closer to thinking alike than thinking apart, but the tanking is respective to how good you think thw team is currently and how much better can they get as is.

 

[Strenuus]

But a percent is a percent and an average is an average. , CJ absolutely has a possibility of regressing, but AT THIS TIME. he is putting numbers up that match Klay 2 years ago. That isnt opinion. Its fact.

I think CJ is close to becoming a star. He can get to the hoop which is a huge asset compared to Klay who cant. I think most teams would much rather have a CJ over a Klay.


In reality, I think we are all mostly closer to thinking alike than thinking apart, but the tanking is respective to how good you think thw team is currently and how much better can they get as is.

Fair point. I can see where you're coming from.

If we're saying "at this time", then that's okay. Though, Klay's stats aren't "at this time" it's a whole season of work.

I don't mind looking at both sides and hearing all arguments.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Fair point. I can see where you're coming from.

If we're saying "at this time", then that's okay. Though, Klay's stats aren't "at this time" it's a whole season of work.

I don't mind looking at both sides and hearing all arguments.

So you are open to joining the darkside then??? YEAH... ANOTHER POTENTIAL CONVERT!!!!

 

[Strenuus]

So you are open to joining the darkside then??? YEAH... ANOTHER POTENTIAL CONVERT!!!!

To be honest, I'm fairly certain, unless we go on a hefty winning streak (or, dichotemously, a long losing streak, say 12-15 games) that I'm going to be fairly neutral.

But that doesn't change the fact that I may sarcastically exxagerate pro tank or anti tank in the moment.

 

[Orion Bailey]

To be honest, I'm fairly certain, unless we go on a hefty winning streak (or, dichotemously, a long losing streak, say 12-15 games) that I'm going to be fairly neutral.

But that doesn't change the fact that I may sarcastically exxagerate pro tank or anti tank.

Alright, your blackballed from the darkside now.... fence rider!!!

 

[julius]

(Also, in before KS says he's already a star.)

come on now, that's not right.

KS would say he's already a SUPERstar.

 

[Strenuus]

come on now, that's not right.

KS would say he's already a SUPERstar.

My bad! I underestimated the KS!!!

 

[Strenuus]

Alright, your blackballed from the darkside now.... fence rider!!!

I'd more call it selling lemonade as people go from one side to the other.

 

[oldmangrouch]

18 games.

81 games.

Lets let CJ play a bit longer. lol.

There is also the small matter of defense.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I think CJ is close to becoming a star. He can get to the hoop which is a huge asset compared to Klay who cant. I think most teams would much rather have a CJ over a Klay.

It's statements like that that drive realists crazy. CJ will always be an undersized/unathletic 2 guard. As long as Thompson puts in an honest effort on the defensive end, no GM would trade him for CJ. That's like saying that CJ is "better" than pre-injury Matthews. Playing at both ends of the floor still counts for something.

 

[chzbrgr]

It's statements like that that drive realists crazy. CJ will always be an undersized/unathletic 2 guard. As long as Thompson puts in an honest effort on the defensive end, no GM would trade him for CJ. That's like saying that CJ is "better" than pre-injury Matthews. Playing at both ends of the floor still counts for something.

THIS!

 

[Blazinaway]

CJ would be a great 6th man to have, we have a big hole at PF and a hole at SF IMO and SG if CJ is a 6th man. And while I like Plumlee a lot he is an average C at best, which could be okay. Aminu is okay, plays good D but big holes on offense and is trying to do too much - I'd like an upgrade there eventually. Harkless has potential but is an unknown and need minutes, Vonleh is at least a couple of years away "if" he's ever gets there. I have seen enough from Meyers where he's an average bench player, no more IMO. Crabbe is an average bench player. Ed Davis is a solid role player and that won't change much.

So I have to ask given this "current cast" what are the odds we become contenders (not a treadmill team which we can become) and can "grow" into it in a few years? I say slim and none, now if we get lucky and get a real good draft pick and maybe can land a quality FA this summer and/or make a great trade then the odds improve, but right now and I said "right now with this cast" we are FAR away.

 

[KingSpeed]

A few things changed that boosted GS to a championship.....Curry and Bogut stayed pretty much out of injury trouble..they signed Iggy and talked him into becoming a 6th man and they hired Steve Kerr...letting Monte Ellis go gets honorable mention as well...Iggy was a difference maker.

Iggy played for them two seasons ago and they were ousted in first round.

 

[KingSpeed]

So when they lost in first round as 6th seed, people here all thought they had all the necessary pieces to win a championship one year later? Bullshit. No one called it.

 

[riverman]

Iggy played for them two seasons ago and they were ousted in first round.

Last season he bought into the 6 man role on Kerr's advice...not under Mark Jackson's coaching

 

[KingSpeed]

Last season he bought into the 6 man role on Kerr's advice...not under Mark Jackson's coaching

Yes but he was on the team. The point stands that GS made no significant roster moves and won the championship.

 

[riverman]

Yes but he was on the team. The point stands that GS made no significant roster moves and won the championship.

A coaching change to me is the most significant

 

[riverman]

Yes but he was on the team. The point stands that GS made no significant roster moves and won the championship.

They have had a remarkable turn around..no doubt

 

[KingSpeed]

A coaching change to me is the most significant

Absolutely.

 

[KingSpeed]

ALTHOUGH, they are 19-0 WITHOUT Kerr this year.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Yes.