Cano may have had a problem with Girardi

[Majorball]

According to a Sports Illustrated article Cano was miffed with Girardi. After reading the article, it seems that Cano started thinking only of himself. Who really knows but maybe that is why the Yankees let him walk. The FO may have been miffed with the fact he had a chance to become the face of the franchise during the absence of Jeter last season and never stepped up that way for team and teammates, just self.

http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/sto...oe-girardi-yankees-mariners-jay-z-240-million

 

[Yankeefan5545]

Aww, did Joey pick on Robbie, what a shame. I've been a Yankee fan going on 59 seasons now and have seen players like Mickey, Whitey, Yogi, Richardson, Thurman, Donnie Baseball, Pettitte, and Mo leave. Face of this Franchise my a@@, don't care what Big Sloppi thinks Jeter is still Mr. Yankee. I heard many comments made about Canos though a good player would not be able to hold the top dog label. Enjoy sharing the Big Fish title with King Felix in Mariners Minnow Pond.

 

[yankeesince59]

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...according to Ortiz;

Ortiz called Cano's deal "well deserved."

"I'm telling you, I knew he was going to get something around that because he's one of the best players in the game right now and that's where the best players are at," Ortiz said. "The way he makes the game look, it's ridiculous. It's just impossible.

"He makes the game look so easy. ... Now, we're not going to be able to see him that much, thank God. He's going to the West Coast. Wishing him the best. He's a good friend of mine, and like I said, well deserved."
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"I couldn't believe the Yankees let that walk away. He's the face, as long as he played for the Yankees, he was the face of that ballclub. He was backing up everybody."

...but yeah Papi, the loss of Elsbury won't be felt by the Sox...and tell us again how you're "going to get the bottom" of how you were fingered for PEDs.

 

[Majorball]

^^^^ What was that thing about glass houses, lol.

 

[yankeesince59]

The supposed rift may have centered around where Girardi put Cano in the batting order. Girardi batted Cano second early last season, a decision that would please many an analytical type. Cano, according to the sources, wanted to hit third or fourth and pad his RBI total so he could command a larger salary.


“Robbie didn’t like batting second, he wanted to bat in the middle of the order," a source told the Post. “The Yankees wanted him second because that was best for the team. He wanted to hit in the middle of the order to drive in runs."

Cano finished with 107 RBIs overall, but he appeared to be more productive as a No. 2 hitter. He compiled a .955 OPS (164 OPS+) in that spot, compared with an .886 OPS (122 OPS+) in the 3-hole.

...if that is true, it is very telling.

 

[Majorball]

I think that was part of it, combined with a mini Arod syndrome, He wanted to get paid. I see him as just another dumb jock who will be 300 lbs after he retires.

 

[yankeesince59]

...don't get me wrong, I really wanted and really believed that he'd remain in pinstripes, and maybe it's a form of denial to a degree, but when you consider it from all angles, we may eventually view losing Robbie as a blessing in disguise.

 

[Hammerojustice]

...don't get me wrong, I really wanted and really believed that he'd remain in pinstripes, and maybe it's a form of denial to a degree, but when you consider it from all angles, we may eventually view losing Robbie as a blessing in disguise.

I feel that way already...

 

[mrmel29]

Me too

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

always a blessing when you subtract over 100 rbi's and a 300 hitter...and replace that with.....what....240 hitter and 50 rbi's?

 

[yankeesince59]

...evidently, the "blessing" went right over your head...so you don't think the money saved can be used to replace Robbie's value to the team?

...I think you've totally missed the point. No one is saying or implying that Cano is not an exceptional player and no one is saying they are glad he's gone. But again, in hindsight, the money that was freed up will allow them to do other things and plug other holes.

...they're not through dealing, and the Winter meetings just started today...and unless I'm mistaken, the opening day line up has not been announced yet.

 

[Majorball]

We all played enough sports to understand chemistry and clubhouse unity. It's not that his teammates didn't like him, but he was starting to show a me first mentality in my opinion. The Yankees just couldn't see him as the face of the franchise or worth 240 million to warrant that commitment. I for one applaud the decision for the good of the team. I hope that the Yankees change their way of doing business and first develop talent that offsets the need for a hostage type contract, and long term commitments that go beyond 38 years old for 20+ million. In addition, I would hope that we are more aggressive in signing future Superstars or starters before they get to free agency if they are worth it. Look at the Angels, Trout played for 500,000+ this year, great deal for Angels but he wants to be paid. We signed Cano to a very good contract and gave him good to great money for his accomplishments up to that time. So Al, no, it's not going to be easy to fill the Cano void, it will be impossible to fill the Mariano void also, however the Yankees are moving on dictated by 2014 opening day is getting closer, and position wise, we are better all around then we were last year...

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

I'm still pissed off at the ellsbury deal. All that for one good year. ..ill tske Cano and his contract at 2nd base vs ellsbury in centerfield. Someone asked if I would be happy with 2 championships in 7 years ... I'd be happy with 3 in 10 years

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[Majorball]

Cano will not be the anchor of the Seattle when he is 41. You are confusing Oranges to Apples I feel. Ellsbury provides a different dynamic, Beltran will basically match Cano's production. Ellsbury in Yankee stadium will hit 20-25 hrs a year, lookat the thread where I wrote "I am committing Forum Suicide", we are better at 6 positions, the same at 2, and less on 2B. We have improved our position players with the exception of 2B.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

We could have improved the outfield with beltran and kept cano. I think people are over estimating ellsbury in hopes he matches the one great year he had. Brady Anderson had one terrific year too. ...

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[yankeesince59]

...^^^so you think giving Cano a 10 year contract was a smart move, right?...and don't say he would have signed with the Yanx for less because you don't know that...did you even look at the title of this thread?...again, you've missed the point of this thread.

...and I have no idea why you are fixated on Elsbury's season when he hit 32 HRs as if anyone expects him to repeat that in NY...and I have no idea why you are comparing Elsbury to Anderson because they are 2 completely different types of CFers...Elsbury is a CAREER .297 hitter with an OPS of .781 and averages 52 SBs and plays very good defense. Brady fucking Anderson averaged .256 .787 with about 1/2 the SBs (and at a lower success rate) and played mediocre defense. Anderson was also recognized by almost everyone as an obvious roider...yeah, great comparison.

 

[Hammerojustice]

We could have improved the outfield with beltran and kept cano. I think people are over estimating ellsbury in hopes he matches the one great year he had. Brady Anderson had one terrific year too. ...

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He wasn't worth keeping for anything over a 6 year contract... definitely not for a 10 year contract.

 

[Majorball]

When you tak a step back and look at the direction the FO is taking I think you are starting to see a trend, There is a 2 prong approach given the current state of the team.

1) The signing of McCann and Ellsbury takes hem to the 37 age bracket roughly and not beyond. Maybe with an exception for a sure fire, first ballot Hall of Fame player (Jeter example) then you go long term, however what I am seeing and the new dynamics is this. Say most players come to the majors at 23 to 24 years old for the first time. A huge amount need to make an adjustment and may go back and forth for a year till they are more ready. So under team control for the next 5 to 6 brings them to the 29-30 age range, and now they are established with statistical data to support their value and warrant the first free agent contract and the Yankees need to be consistent on the 7 to 8 year commitments that they make and put the productive threshold of most players at 37-38. You will always have the exceptions on both end of the age group, for example, Trout and Kershaw because of age and performance will get the 10 year deals or able to double dip into free agency like Arod did. On the other end, you will have a handful of players per say like Beltran, who will be productive past the curve and because of need you risk a 3 year deal with.

2) It is necessary to develop players at a minimum at least. I feel they should specialize on high skilled positions for non pitchers. What I mean is this, SS, C, CF skill sets that if developed are always in need. So instead of the best player available, best player at those positions available in the draft and International signing. Look at this past year, You had Profar, Iglesias, to use as pawns, I know I am forgetting another one, but get my point. In all of MLB, there is always a team looking for a C, SS, CF type. You then can use as trade chip to fill your needs and keep away from the long term free agent costly contracts. I know it's not a perfect world but it's a plan, rather it's the Yankees plan, then who knows. And this goes without saying you try to develop pitching for yourself, cause you can never have enough pitching.