Can't even get the small stuff right!

[MarAzul]

I saw Obama on TV just tonight walk right by the Marine guard rendering a salute to the Commander in Chief as he entered his helicopter. Not so much as a nod, wave or tip of the hat gesture. Why can't someone bring him up to date
on what is the proper etiquette when receiving a salute.

According to my ancient BlueJackets Manual, the proper etiquette for a civilian is a Tip of the Hat,
but in any case the salute should always be acknowledged even when in civilian clothing.

Harry Truman I think did it best with a Tip of the hat gesture that never moved the hat and it was almost like and nearly as snappy as the Military salute.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i think the re-salute is optional, the president doesnt have to salute back to any old jackhole private that throws up the ol' hand meat sun visor

 

[MarAzul]

i think the re-salute is optional, the president doesnt have to salute back to any old jackhole private that throws up the ol' hand meat sun visor

Yeah, I am afraid he agrees with you. Regardless of the etiquette standing for several hundred years, he is above the norm.

He is Barrack I!

 

[PapaG]

Obama is an idiot who struggles to speak when he isn't reading off of a TV screen.

He's dumber than Bush, and he won't even release his college grades for a reason.

 

[MARIS61]

Bush did the same thing, and he was supposedly in the military (haha).

As a civilian, I've never been saluted nor would I return the salute if I was. I don't like it's implications.

 

[PapaG]

Bush did the same thing, and he was supposedly in the military (haha).

As a civilian, I've never been saluted nor would I return the salute if I was. I don't like it's implications.

Link?

 

[jlprk]

Reagan started this stuff. He would playfully salute the guy standing at the helicopter steps. He smiled like it was a joke. Before Reagan, show me Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, or Eisenhower saluting or even tipping their hats.

When dependents, i.e. the wife and children, drive through the base gate, the guard salutes them and they don't salute back, tip their hats, or any of these rules that you made up.

 

[PapaG]

Reagan started this stuff. He would playfully salute the guy standing at the helicopter steps. He smiled like it was a joke. Before Reagan, show me Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, or Eisenhower saluting or even tipping their hats.

When dependents, i.e. the wife and children, drive through the base gate, the guard salutes them and they don't salute back, tip their hats, or any of these rules that you made up.

You just make shit up.

 

[jlprk]

Here we go again. Show me the tape or pics I asked for. All I can think of is little JFK Jr., who was later assassinated, saluting at his father's funeral.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Bush did the same thing, and he was supposedly in the military (haha).

As a civilian, I've never been saluted nor would I return the salute if I was. I don't like it's implications.

The gesture of mutual respect between warriors?

And yes, as an officer you have an obligation of military courtesy to:

A salute is always returned or acknowledged by the officer saluted... An officer should be alert to give, or return, a salute or verbal greeting.

Then again, if you go back to Buell and his interpretation of John Paul Jones (memorized by every Naval Academy midshipman):

It is by no means enough that an officer of the Navy should be a capable mariner. He must be that, of course, but also a great deal more. He should be as well a gentleman of liberal education, refined manners, punctilious courtesy, and the nicest sense of personal honor.

He should be the soul of tact, patience, justice, firmness, kindness, and charity. No meritorious act of a subordinate should escape his attention or be left to pass without its reward, even if the reward is only a word of approval. Conversely, he should not be blind to a single fault in any subordinate, though at the same time, he should be quick and unfailing to distinguish error from malice, thoughtfulness from incompetency, and well meant shortcomings from heedless or stupid.

In one word, every commander should keep constantly before him the great truth, that to be well obeyed, he must be perfectly esteemed.

 

[MarAzul]

Bush did the same thing, and he was supposedly in the military (haha).

As a civilian, I've never been saluted nor would I return the salute if I was. I don't like it's implications.

Ha! Well not to worry, it probably won't come up.

 

[MarAzul]

Reagan started this stuff. He would playfully salute the guy standing at the helicopter steps. He smiled like it was a joke. Before Reagan, show me Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, or Eisenhower saluting or even tipping their hats.

When dependents, i.e. the wife and children, drive through the base gate, the guard salutes them and they don't salute back, tip their hats, or any of these rules that you made up.

I have pointed out Truman did a fine job with the etiquette and the Tip of the Hat. Reagan did also when he had his hat. I can't recall any of the other wearing a hat nor can I recall them walking by, head down and simply ignoring the salute. Acknowledging the Salute is all that is needed, a nod, a wave, a point, you know, Acknowledge!

If you feel I made this up, feel free to read the BJM. It has been in publication for quite a long time. If you have ever noticed, the American Military salute is different from almost all other nations Military which use palm out form. The American standard comes to us from the Navy which took it and much of it's tradition from the British Navy. The British Navy also use the palm down form because the Jack Tars of the day had very stained hands from the tar used in treating the ships rigging. So palm down was adopted and the best form to not show the stained palm of the hand.

Just a guess but I suspect the Ladies and children are exempt from observing the etiquette. I haven't seen a word on that subject.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't recall Reagan ever wearing a hat.

 

[MARIS61]

I have pointed out Truman did a fine job with the etiquette and the Tip of the Hat. Reagan did also when he had his hat. I can't recall any of the other wearing a hat nor can I recall them walking by, head down and simply ignoring the salute. Acknowledging the Salute is all that is needed, a nod, a wave, a point, you know, Acknowledge!

If you feel I made this up, feel free to read the BJM. It has been in publication for quite a long time. If you have ever noticed, the American Military salute is different from almost all other nations Military which use palm out form. The American standard comes to us from the Navy which took it and much of it's tradition from the British Navy. The British Navy also use the palm down form because the Jack Tars of the day had very stained hands from the tar used in treating the ships rigging. So palm down was adopted and the best form to not show the stained palm of the hand.

Just a guess but I suspect the Ladies and children are exempt from observing the etiquette. I haven't seen a word on that subject.

Sexist, ageist, and copied from the very Brits who tried to prevent our country's Freedom.

Best to abolish the antiquated salute entirely rather than be distracted by all this minutia of pomp and circumstance.

 

[MarAzul]

I don't recall Reagan ever wearing a hat.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nald_Reagan_with_cowboy_hat_12-0071M_edit.jpg

 

[Denny Crane]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...nald_Reagan_with_cowboy_hat_12-0071M_edit.jpg

I meant in D.C. though.

I guess he saluted his guards when he saw them on the ranch in Santa Barbara.

 

[Denny Crane]

In an unrelated news story...

Conservative talking heads are railing against the idea that Obama might take a trip to Africa that will cost the taxpayer between $50M and $100M.

I say let him go. Let's hope he stays a long long time and he's distracted from doing any more damage to the nation's economy.

$100M? Chump change! He could have gone on 800 trips to Africa for what the stimulus bill cost. Or 1,000 trips a year for the deficits he's run up.

He can take congress with him. Please.

 

[MarAzul]

I meant in D.C. though.

I guess he saluted his guards when he saw them on the ranch in Santa Barbara.

No, he used a Tip of the Hat gesture when he had the hat on. Yes, he often had the the hat on and the suit off when going out to play or coming back. Some say it was a salute but it seems to me
that if you know the proper etiquette is a "Tip of the Hat" then it also seem to me that is exactly what Presidents Truman and Reagan where doing. I don't know why you would suspect otherwise.

It certainly is a far cry from a head down trudge by, without any perceivable acknowledgment. The funny thing is the current President sometimes gives a return salute. The etiquette never calls for a civilian or Military person in civilian cloths to salute, acknowledge yes but not salute. The exception is was created a few years back by Congress to authorize Veterans in Civilian clothing to Statute the Flag. President Obama is a civilian, CIC yes, but a civilian. It seems odd that his advisors don't have him up to speed on this stuff. The 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 10th amendments, and the directive prohibiting direct taxes in section 9 maybe too dam hard but saluting etiquette should really be doable.

 

[Denny Crane]

Looks like more than a tip of the hat.

Here's Reagan saluting jlprk:

 

[MarAzul]

Looks like more than a tip of the hat.

Here's Reagan saluting jlprk:

Yep, And no hat even! But he does have a chit eaten grin.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

After completing fourteen home-study Army Extension Courses, Reagan enlisted in the Army Enlisted Reserve[33] on April 29, 1937, as a private assigned to Troop B, 322nd Cavalry at Des Moines, Iowa.[34] He was commissioned a second lieutenant in the Officers Reserve Corps of the cavalry on May 25, 1937.[35]

Vet

 

[jlprk]

Reagan started this stuff. He would playfully salute the guy standing at the helicopter steps. He smiled like it was a joke. Before Reagan, show me Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, or Eisenhower saluting or even tipping their hats.

When dependents, i.e. the wife and children, drive through the base gate, the guard salutes them and they don't salute back, tip their hats, or any of these rules that you made up.

I based the 1st paragraph on many years of watching the network news, and later CNN when it came into existence. I don't know what Truman did in WW2, but subsequent presidents didn't salute until Reagan did it boarding his helicopter with a clown smile (and never with a hat).

I based the 2nd paragraph on my over 1000 times passing through the gate as a dependent.

 

[jlprk]

You just make shit up.

You must be psychic.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it.