cap and trade now in California

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...1d342e-2f01-11e2-b631-2aad9d9c73ac_story.html

 

[Eastoff]

Yes sir, I am quite curious how this experiment turns out. 6th largest economy in the world.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

more like cap and tax, amirite? :MARIS61:

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

More like cap and move out of state

{Poasted via palm pilot}

 

[3RA1N1AC]

more like cap and hippie shit

get a real job tree huggers

 

[magnifier661]

more like cap and hippie shit

get a real job tree huggers

THIS!!!! Fucking tree huggers!

 

[mook]

It's so much better when polluters can dump their problems in the air without having to pay the rest of us for it.

Externalities are a liberal conspiracy.

 

[magnifier661]

It's so much better when polluters can dump their problems in the air without having to pay the rest of us for it.

Externalities are a liberal conspiracy.

You own a car? You heat your house? You use electricity?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

It's so much better when polluters can dump their problems in the air without having to pay the rest of us for it.

well how else are we going to make styrofoam for our mcDLTs?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It's so much better when polluters can dump their problems in the air without having to pay the rest of us for it.

Externalities are a liberal conspiracy.

It'll be so much better when companies move out of california and the unemployment rate rises even further and the economy is even more in the dump.

But it worked so well in Spain I guess where for every 1 "green job created", 2 jobs were lost.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

It's so much better when polluters can dump their problems in the air without having to pay the rest of us for it.

Externalities are a liberal conspiracy.

this really did crack me up. First thought was wondering how you figured that you benifit one way or the other..then I realized that you may very well be one of those emlpoyed under the protection of cali public union...

what scares the hell out of me is the pattern of oregon following california into the abyss. Cali can lose jobs and still be ok, while oregon can not spare to lose any

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Cali can still lose jobs? are you kidding me? California is megafucked. goodbye Northrup. goodbye Boeing. goodbye aerospace.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Cali can still lose jobs? are you kidding me? California is megafucked. goodbye Northrup. goodbye Boeing. goodbye aerospace.

percentage wise, you guys are better off. 38M lose ten plants its easier to swallow that 3.5M

 

[3RA1N1AC]

where does the auction money go? state coffers?

 

[Eastoff]

this really did crack me up. First thought was wondering how you figured that you benifit one way or the other..then I realized that you may very well be one of those emlpoyed under the protection of cali public union...

what scares the hell out of me is the pattern of oregon following california into the abyss. Cali can lose jobs and still be ok, while oregon can not spare to lose any

What scares me even more is oregon goign the way of the midwest and the east coast. You know they used to have huge swathes of trees too? Where did their logging industry go?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

where does the auction money go? state coffers?

take a guess. (hint: it rhymes with "unions").


actually its an open market i believe, i have a friend that is into carbon trading, its all kinds of weird shit.

 

[mook]

It used to be the conservative argument that you should tie the cost of something as close as possible to the beneficiary. It was an argument I always found pretty convincing. You pay for a road by local people paying taxes for that road, or better yet a local gas tax, or better yet a toll. Tie the benefit to the cost, and you won't get as much reckless spending or regulation.

That's cap and trade. The whole premise of the system is to put a dollar value on the public cost of pollution so that corporations don't free ride. It's a very conservative idea when you consider that the only alternatives are either one-size-fits-all regulation (yuck) or hoping that business who pollute a lot go out of business because of bad PR (good luck with that, given how international commerce has become).

 

[DaLincolnJones]

What scares me even more is oregon goign the way of the midwest and the east coast. You know they used to have huge swathes of trees too? Where did their logging industry go?

What? What the fuck are you talking about? it is obvious that you have zero idea when you flop out that bull shit. Oregon has and does plant more trees than they harvest. Most timber that is harvested now is private. Weak ass lies like you tossed out are what destroyed the industry in this state.
There are tons of things that are no longer funded by the timber industry, many I would have to believe are near and dear to you. Funds paid to schools alone are the reason timber counties are so short of budget and begging for taxes to be raised..

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Well, it just discourages business growth in California due to the extra cost and regulation involved. Businesses will naturally just move or liquidate.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Well, it just discourages business growth in California due to the extra cost and regulation involved. Businesses will naturally just move or liquidate.

agreed..every time the gov does this shit under the "we are here to protect you dumb ass people" it usually has a hidden agenda..

 

[3RA1N1AC]

to be fair im sure factory owner said the same thing 100 years ago

"how are we supposed to compete in the world economy without being able to employ 5 year olds? all our jobs are gonna move out of state!"

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

and now everything is Made in China.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

 

[Eastoff]

What? What the fuck are you talking about? it is obvious that you have zero idea when you flop out that bull shit. Oregon has and does plant more trees than they harvest. Most timber that is harvested now is private. Weak ass lies like you tossed out are what destroyed the industry in this state.
There are tons of things that are no longer funded by the timber industry, many I would have to believe are near and dear to you. Funds paid to schools alone are the reason timber counties are so short of budget and begging for taxes to be raised..

So you're saying that the rest of the country was not deforested?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

So you're saying that the rest of the country was not deforested?

read what you said, that oregon waas going the way of the east coast and the mid west

you want to twist your arguement, go ahead, it was a ignorant thing to imply

go find the next fruit fly to put on an endangeed species list, take that shit far enough, we can remove you from your home..

 

[3RA1N1AC]

So you're saying that the rest of the country was not deforested?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

funny

 

[3RA1N1AC]

not really, kinda depressing

 

[DaLincolnJones]

not really, kinda depressing

cmmon man....like I said its easy to prove a fraction of a point and still be wrong

trees are a resource, renewable


hey where are all the virgin deer...

 

[3RA1N1AC]

trees are a resource, renewable

yes, so is oil