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Fanhouse.com's Chris Tomasson says the Nuggets have made a three-year, $64.7 million extension offer to Anthony, and many are wondering if the Nuggets will trade Anthony if this drags out, rather than go through what the Cavs did with LeBron James.
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I know we have discussed this somewhat before, but if Carmelo doesn't think a Chris Paul hook up in NY is going to happen, Portland wouldn't be the worst place for him to end up. Nuggets aren't looking to cut salary, so even an Aldridge or Roy trade might work, if Blazers wanted it to.

I know Nugs would be resistant to trading him to the West, but Portland may have better value to return to them and if they are trading Carmelo, then they are rebuilding.
 
Reep said:
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I know we have discussed this somewhat before, but if Carmelo doesn't think a Chris Paul hook up in NY is going to happen, Portland wouldn't be the worst place for him to end up. Nuggets aren't looking to cut salary, so even an Aldridge or Roy trade might work, if Blazers wanted it to.

I know Nugs would be resistant to trading him to the West, but Portland may have better value to return to them and if they are trading Carmelo, then they are rebuilding.
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You'd have to gut the team just to make salaries match. Here is one that works but is awful IMO:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=25kbqse

Here's a better variant, but much less likely they go for it.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2dn3gkt

Really you are giving up Aldridge AND Batum to get Carmello as he would start over Batum even if you retained him.
 
Why do you have to add Balkman in?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2ejww7w

I'm not sure how well Carmelo would fit, but you rarely have a chance to land a player like him. I would certainly consider giving up Nick and Aldridge. You could end up with three very dominant players (Carmelo, Roy, Oden) in your starting lineup that you wouldn't otherwise have access to unless you could get Chris Paul.
 
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Reep said:
Why do you have to add Balkman in?

I'm not sure how well Carmelo would fit, but you rarely have a chance to land a player like him. I would certainly consider giving up Nick and Aldridge. You could end up with three very dominant players (Carmelo, Roy, Oden) in your starting lineup that you wouldn't otherwise have access to unless you could get Chris Paul.
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Mess around with trade machine. It's very hard to match due to being over the cap and BYC for Aldridge. Carmello's salary is pretty freaking high.
 
Love Trade Machine's "Hollinger Analysis" bot. Nicolas Batum is worth a 10 win swing for Denver in those two Idog trades. Also, either of those two trades nets Denver a 5-man lineup that could win more games than Minnesota.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Love Trade Machine's "Hollinger Analysis" bot. Nicolas Batum is worth a 10 win swing for Denver in those two Idog trades. Also, either of those two trades nets Denver a 5-man lineup that could win more games than Minnesota.
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LOL, I wasn't saying they were good trades.

I was trying to think of who Denver would want that aren't named Roy and Oden and working from there. I'd much rather trade for CP3 to say the least. Melo...I don't know I just don't think he is as helpful as one might think. His scoring would certainly take the pressure off of Roy. I'm still feeling like our only hope against LAL and the Heat is via solid defense. A healthy Batum, Matthews, Oden and Camby would really make a massive impact IMO.

Not sure I could part with Batum and LMA for Carmello, but you'd certainly have to consider it.
 
I think Mello and Paul have already worked something out together. Paul unhappy and Mello not wanting and extension..... smoke is fire here.....

Don't count NY or the Nets out here..... Amare is already in place... the Nets have an owner willing to spend....
 
Yardape said:
I think Mello and Paul have already worked something out together. Paul unhappy and Mello not wanting and extension..... smoke is fire here.....

Don't count NY or the Nets out here..... Amare is already in place... the Nets have an owner willing to spend....
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At that point (next summer or the year after) the Lakers will be a shell of their former selves and the West might as well form it's own "2nd best" league.

Stern may have tried to kill Portland deals to set up what you are proposing. The Heat would destroy NYK. Now NJN....that could be interesting with Lopez.
 
Natebishop3 said:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=269mcvx

And then try to do

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=35louj6

Miller/Johnson/Mills
Roy/Matthews/Williams
Carmello/Azubike/Babbitt
Landry/Cunningham/Pendergraph
Oden/Camby
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How about your first trade then this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2474u3o

PG: Miller/Johnson/Mills
SG: Roy/Matthews/Williams
SF: Carmelo/Babbit/Matthews
PF: A. Randolph/Camby/Cunningham
C: Oden/Camby

To see the full trade it looks like this split in two:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24zc3le

Edit: Accidentally reposted the first whoops.
 
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Idog1976 said:
I'm with you on the first one, but no chance Sac Town trades their best PF for a back up to Evans.
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Their frontcourt is pretty stacked. They drafted Cousins, they traded for Dalembert, and they already have Jason Thompson. They've got Evans in their backcourt, but Udrih isn't great and Garcia is marginal at best.
 
Idog1976 said:
How about your first trade then this:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2474u3o

PG: Miller/Johnson/Mills
SG: Roy/Matthews/Williams
SF: Carmelo/Babbit/Matthews
PF: A. Randolph/Camby/Cunningham
C: Oden/Camby

To see the full trade it looks like this split in two:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2474u3o
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That's a lot for NY to give up for Bayless, Rudy, and Pender. They might do it, but it's hard to say. I'd be all over that trade though.
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's a lot for NY to give up for Bayless, Rudy, and Pender. They might do it, but it's hard to say. I'd be all over that trade though.
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True, but Randolph is backing up a 36 to 40+ MPG guy in Amare''''''
 
Natebishop3 said:
Their frontcourt is pretty stacked. They drafted Cousins, they traded for Dalembert, and they already have Jason Thompson. They've got Evans in their backcourt, but Udrih isn't great and Garcia is marginal at best.
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Well I would do it no doubt! Landry is an upgrade over LMA.
 
He is eligible to be signed and traded, right? If he doesn't want to sign the extension as part of the deal it dies.
 
I wouldn't like to see it. I can't stand Melo and I think the difference between him and Roy's abilities is so minimal that it wouldn't be worth who the extra player or two they'd be looking for.
 
No way that if we get Carmello he stays. If we traded for him it would be with the agreement he signed and extension but he won't because he wants to go to NY. I honestly don't even want him on the blazers anyway, he is a threat whenever he has the ball in his hands but his attitude is not very good and I think there would be problems when in crunch time the ball goes to Roy's hands and not his.
 
The main reason I would be interested in Carmelo is that he is a winner (college and NBA). He is tough and knows how to win. Brandon is very good, but really hasn't had much overall team success in college or the NBA. Carmelo brings a certain amount of respect and toughness that would work well on this team.

I'm pretty sure there would be no way to add him, but if there was I would take him.
 
He also has Lebrons #! Been beating him since high school! Lebron has a kryptonite and it's Mello...
 
Reep said:
The main reason I would be interested in Carmelo is that he is a winner (college and NBA). He is tough and knows how to win. Brandon is very good, but really hasn't had much overall team success in college or the NBA. Carmelo brings a certain amount of respect and toughness that would work well on this team.

I'm pretty sure there would be no way to add him, but if there was I would take him.
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Prime Roy will probably continue being better than Melo.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Absolutely none.

He won't sign and extension with Denver, but for some reason he's going to extend with us because? ...
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hypothetical, but ". . . because Portland has a young team that can compete for years to come with possibly two other legit all-stars (Roy Oden)." Billups and K-Mart are not getting any younger.
 
huevonkiller said:
Prime Roy will probably continue being better than Melo.
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By what measure? Playoff win percentage goes heavily in Melo's favor. I hope Brandon can stay on the court and learn to involve his teammates better--then maybe you will be right.
 
Reep said:
By what measure? Playoff win percentage goes heavily in Melo's favor. I hope Brandon can stay on the court and learn to involve his teammates better--then maybe you will be right.
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Melo is the typical fast paced offensive guy on a solid team, so you can't use raw numbers. Roy is on an extremely slow offense.

Melo has made it out of the first round once, with Billups getting hot in that post-season.
 
huevonkiller said:
Melo is the typical fast paced offensive guy on a solid team, so you can't use raw numbers. Roy is on an extremely slow offense.

Melo has made it out of the first round once, with Billups getting hot in that post-season.
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Don't forget he did pretty well in college as well. Brandon made the tourney, Melo cut down the nets.

I'm not using stats, which do vary by pace. I'm talking about team success. Melo is seen as a top tier player in the league by default. To this point, Brandon is still fighting to make his way there.
 
Reep said:
Don't forget he did pretty well in college as well. Brandon made the tourney, Melo cut down the nets.

I'm not using stats, which do vary by pace. I'm talking about team success. Melo is seen as a top tier player in the league by default. To this point, Brandon is still fighting to make his way there.
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I guess we should judge players by draft position then, if they're vaguely comparable?

Well keep it to team success then, as in Melo's teammates. It is because of Billiups and a solid team that he's even made it out of the first round in 7 trips. Theories means nothing, Carmelo Anthony has not played at Roy's level in the NBA.

College championships have nothing to do with their prime in the NBA, or how players continue to develop.
 
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