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andalusian said:
Wife went with EVs since 2015, once her last Subaru blew it's engine. First one was a VW e-Golf, fun to drive, very shoddy build quality. It was replaced in 2018 with a Kia Soul EV - most boring car ever, but nothing went wrong on it, absolutely perfect reliability.

She has since got a 2020 Kona Electric. A lot more fun to drive than the Kia, about as much fun as the VW was (much more power, handling is not as good but very entertaining). Like all EVs, they require a once a year service - in the last one they said they heard something with the steering column and decided to replace it just to be sure there is no issue (we never heard anything ourselves and the car never failed).

Unlike the previous 2 EVs, I think this one is a keeper and she will likely buy it at the end of the lease. My in-laws have a TM3, very good car but we have a tight turning area at the bottom of our long driveway and the wife prefers the shorter wheelbase of the Kona. Also, it is much cheaper than the TM3, I think she got it in 2021 as the last one of the 2020s they had and after all the rebates paid about as much a Civic SI - and it's a much more interesting car to drive, imho.

I can't really tell you anything about the overall reliability of the new Hyundai / Kias, but our experience has been excellent and I suspect the huge poaching they have done from the other companies in the last 10 years is starting to show (I have many friends at the local automotive design studios that are mostly located in SoCal and that's been the talk about them in the last decade - they invested a lot in improving their design, engineering and production).

But, car reputation takes a long time to build, I remember being stuck on the far side of Cyprus with a broken Hyundai Excel that had a broken clutch cable, at least it was kind enough to do it where we could find a pay-phone (before mobile phones) instead of the Trodos (mountain range in the middle of the island) we traversed before where we were 3-4 hours away by car from anyone else.

I would, btw, agree with can't go wrong with Toyota, but I have seen enough Hondas with broken gearboxes to know that's less of a safe bet... FWIW
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Appreciate the post.

What do you think of CCS charging options on road trips?

Everything I've seen personally and reviews online lead me to believe it's many years away from being dependable. I like the idea of getting a Rivian R1S if my 2024 reservation ever is actually built. But I just can't imagine being stuck unable to charge on a snowy Colorado ski trip with two little kids.

I have zero concerns of it with Tesla superchargers. I drove from Palm Springs to Austin nonstop in under 20 hours including superchargers/diapers/bottle breaks.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Appreciate the post.

What do you think of CCS charging options on road trips?

Everything I've seen personally and reviews online lead me to believe it's many years away from being dependable. I like the idea of getting a Rivian R1S if my 2024 reservation ever is actually built. But I just can't imagine being stuck unable to charge on a snowy Colorado ski trip with two little kids.

I have zero concerns of it with Tesla superchargers. I drove from Palm Springs to Austin nonstop in under 20 hours including superchargers/diapers/bottle breaks.
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I have to admit that I do not care about any kind of EVs, including Teslas, for road-trips. Wife got her first EV which had 82 miles or range specifically for city daily driving duties and in the rare times she needed to go on business trips to Orange County or LA - she took whatever ICE car we had. Because of VWs questionable quality the battery in that first EV degraded within 3 years (no BMS heating or cooling) to around 65 miles range which is just what we needed for an airport round trip. Current car has a 260 miles range - so it basically does everything she needs that car to do. She tool my youngest recently to look at a college in Glendale (Occidental college) - which is about 110 miles away and could, in theory, do it on a single charge. Of course, in SoCal there is a pretty good charging infrastructure already. She filled some at the college while touring it and even topped it off somewhere in Orange County when they had food.

When we do road trips we try to combine off-roading with it, we have an old Lexus GX470 that is used as a kids highschool car - that we converted to light overlanding duties. It is big enough to take all of us in comfort on long trips, or just the better half and myself on desert runs that include camping. I did drive my in-laws TM3 all over new-england and the charging infrastructure is nice, but it is still limited compared to gas stations, so as I said before, I prefer non-EVs for long distance driving. I suspect that for most people this is such a rare need - that if they do not have an ICE car for that, just rent something. We took a kid to Minnesota to college this summer, normally we would have taken the GX470 - but my wife wanted Android Auto for maps and music, so we just rented a 4Runner for the trip. Biggest issue we had with it is that it does not have the space in the back our Lexus has for sleeping, so we had to find a hotel / motel every night. Otherwise, perfect highway vehicle and great off-road (don't tell the rental company).
 
SlyPokerDog said:
No I was just reading about the New Corvette that's coming out next year. V8 hybrid supposed to have a 0 to 60 in like 2.2
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I meant because you quoted wrong, if you look at your message your response was part of the quote you tagged from HCP. Clearly you are a drunk!
 
andalusian said:
I have to admit that I do not care about any kind of EVs, including Teslas, for road-trips. Wife got her first EV which had 82 miles or range specifically for city daily driving duties and in the rare times she needed to go on business trips to Orange County or LA - she took whatever ICE car we had. Because of VWs questionable quality the battery in that first EV degraded within 3 years (no BMS heating or cooling) to around 65 miles range which is just what we needed for an airport round trip. Current car has a 260 miles range - so it basically does everything she needs that car to do. She tool my youngest recently to look at a college in Glendale (Occidental college) - which is about 110 miles away and could, in theory, do it on a single charge. Of course, in SoCal there is a pretty good charging infrastructure already. She filled some at the college while touring it and even topped it off somewhere in Orange County when they had food.

When we do road trips we try to combine off-roading with it, we have an old Lexus GX470 that is used as a kids highschool car - that we converted to light overlanding duties. It is big enough to take all of us in comfort on long trips, or just the better half and myself on desert runs that include camping. I did drive my in-laws TM3 all over new-england and the charging infrastructure is nice, but it is still limited compared to gas stations, so as I said before, I prefer non-EVs for long distance driving. I suspect that for most people this is such a rare need - that if they do not have an ICE car for that, just rent something. We took a kid to Minnesota to college this summer, normally we would have taken the GX470 - but my wife wanted Android Auto for maps and music, so we just rented a 4Runner for the trip. Biggest issue we had with it is that it does not have the space in the back our Lexus has for sleeping, so we had to find a hotel / motel every night. Otherwise, perfect highway vehicle and great off-road (don't tell the rental company).
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Thanks. Well, it appears you don't rely on CCS charging at all though.

Road trips is a requirement for me to own a vehicle, I'd never want a vehicle to be limited to only around town, or feel I need to rent something because I can't fill it up. When first owning a Tesla I assumed I'd always want to have one ICE vehicle for trips. After doing that 1200 mile drive in under 24 hours while charging; I just don't have any concern of having to rely on it. That's why I'm trading in my BMW x5 next week and getting a second Tesla.

Staying at airbnb or campground I can fill up for free. Yes CCS vehicles could do that too, but I question if they can make it from my house to a thousand miles away. I'm sure decades from now every one of these EV vehicles will, but in the next few years? I just don't know if I could own something so limited.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Road trips is a requirement for me to own a vehicle, I'd never want a vehicle to be limited to only around town, or feel I need to rent something because I can't fill it up. When first owning a Tesla I assumed I'd always want to have one ICE vehicle for trips. After doing that 1200 mile drive in under 24 hours while charging; I just don't have any concern of having to rely on it. That's why I'm trading in my BMW x5 next week and getting a second Tesla.

Staying at airbnb or campground I can fill up for free. Yes CCS vehicles could do that too, but I question if they can make it from my house to a thousand miles away. I'm sure decades from now every one of these EV vehicles will, but in the next few years? I just don't know if I could own something so limited.
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It's not that I can't fill it, it's that I need to be limited to a limited route to charge it, which is true for either Tesla or any other EV that can't use Tesla's network. I have no need for a car that can't go off-road for road-trips, which, I guess, that if I need a road-trip vehicle that is also an EV, it sounds like it's a Rivian at this point in time.
 
andalusian said:
It's not that I can't fill it, it's that I need to be limited to a limited route to charge it, which is true for either Tesla or any other EV that can't use Tesla's network. I have no need for a car that can't go off-road for road-trips, which, I guess, that if I need a road-trip vehicle that is also an EV, it sounds like it's a Rivian at this point in time.
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Oh, ok..... sounds like your "road" trips are "road and off-road" trips.
 
HailBlazers said:
Yeah I would never road trip an EV. Kinda defeats the freedom.
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Well, I have done it because I didn't have to rent a car in new England, but at this point, for me at least, an ev is the perfect daily, but a subpar road trip vehicle
 
HailBlazers said:
Yeah I would never road trip an EV. Kinda defeats the freedom.
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In 10-20 years with level 3 chargers everywhere it'll be fine. Also vehicles will be charging faster, such as 800volt Hyunadi ionic5 that can suck up 350kw charging. That and frequent chargers will turn it into a few 5 minute stops if you are pressed for time. Or if you want a longer lunch break let it charge to 100%. There'll be more options than gas, you can charge overnight at campgrounds or any house. I see a lot more electrical outlets than gas stations.

But right now its a slight inconvenience with a Tesla; yes gas road trips are easier. Overall with autopilot I enjoy road tripping in a Tesla much more than ICE; but maybe at somepoint for a trip my preference will change.

I wouldn't touch non Teslas for road trips right now though. From what I've experienced and researched CCS charging is a joke. Europe and China are 5-10+ years ahead of the US.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Some auto insurers are refusing to cover certain Hyundai and Kia models
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/business/progressive-state-farm-hyundai-kia/index.html
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The Highway Loss Data Institute released insurance claims data last September that confirmed what various social media accounts had been saying: Some 2015 through 2019 Hyundai and Kia models are roughly twice as likely to be stolen as other vehicles of similar age, because many of them lack some of the basic auto theft prevention technology included in most other vehicles in those years, according to the HLDI.
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Wow, these cars are fairly new.
 
God damn, one year car registration here in California for a Camry is $422. Wtf
 
Shogun X said:
God damn, one year car registration here in California for a Camry is $422. Wtf
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So you eat out at the boujeeiest restaurants…..but the boujee isn’t shoes and gear…AND YOU DRIVE A LIBRARIANS CAR!!!???
 
THE HCP said:
So you eat out at the boujeeiest restaurants…..but the boujee isn’t shoes and gear…AND YOU DRIVE A LIBRARIANS CAR!!!???
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What, you just said fuck it, I’ll be going to PTA meetings in a few years and bit the bullet. Please explain how somebody who owns a god damn sword drives the lame car?
 
THE HCP said:
What, you just said fuck it, I’ll be going to PTA meetings in a few years and bit the bullet. Please explain how somebody who owns a god damn sword drives the lame car?
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I'm not a car guy. I like reliability and comfort. I like my cars stock too so I blend in.
 
THE HCP said:
So you eat out at the boujeeiest restaurants…..but the boujee isn’t shoes and gear…AND YOU DRIVE A LIBRARIANS CAR!!!???
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Don't be dissing librarians My (retired) librarian wife drives a fully loaded Honda Civic Touring Edition hatchback that could blow the doors off Shogun's Camry. Very nice car (that is hell on an old man to get in and out of. I'd rather she had a Camry). Challenge her and she drives like Maria Andretti........but then, you have to remember, Shogun is from Beaverton...........
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Don't be dissing librarians My (retired) librarian wife drives a fully loaded Honda Civic Touring Edition hatchback that could blow the doors off Shogun's Camry. Very nice car (that is hell on an old man to get in and out of. I'd rather she had a Camry). Challenge her and she drives like Maria Andretti........but then, you have to remember, Shogun is from Beaverton...........
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I actually like the camry, it forces me to drive slow and lame. I need that. No road rage, just chillin. When people tailgate, I just drive slower.

haha
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Don't be dissing librarians My (retired) librarian wife drives a fully loaded Honda Civic Touring Edition hatchback that could blow the doors off Shogun's Camry. Very nice car (that is hell on an old man to get in and out of. I'd rather she had a Camry). Challenge her and she drives like Maria Andretti........but then, you have to remember, Shogun is from Beaverton...........
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Will you tell your wife I have a couple overdue books, wondering if she can help me with this.

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