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[Phatguysrule]

I understand that there are those that jump at the opportunity for housing and freedom. And many find that as a spring board back to helping themselves. Thats fantastic. I know some those people. It's great we hear about those stories as well as maybe that helps in politicians in improving each year with this issue. My contention is you need to differentiate the different groups ands have a strategy for all. It not a one shoe fits all with such a diverse population of homeless.
When I allowed my brother live with us for time it was him that proposed some basic rules for staying in my household. He wanted some boundaries. Hell, I need boundaries according to my wife. Well, eventually he left because he dint want any retraction on staying with me and family. He chose his path. he wanted to play iso with the freedom to do so and a coach tan would allow it. Doesn't work

Nobody is suggesting everyone would get the same treatment.

Just that the no strings attached private and secure housing be the first part, along with services. The rest can be determined on a case by case basis.

That is how SLC and Finland and many others have been so successful.

You can't start out by treating adults like children.

 

[Hoopguru]

Nobody is suggesting everyone would get the same treatment.

Just that the no strings attached private and secure housing be the first part, along with services. The rest can be determined on a case by case basis.

That is how SLC and Finland and many others have been so successful.

You can't start out by treating adults like children.

Nobody said and certainly not what I meant treat them like children. When you treat someone like and adult that involves respect both ways but like every group/party there are those that dont know what that means. Its either their way or fuck off.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Nobody said and certainly not what I meant treat them like children. When you treat someone like and adult that involves respect both ways but like every group/party there are those that dont know what that means. Its either their way or fuck off.

Laws are the rules society has agreed that adults need to abide by.

If you're setting up rules that go further than the law then you are treating them like children or criminals.

That is not an inviting precedent and it's why many people "refuse help".

They aren't generally refusing help. They are refusing the extra layer of government.

 

[Hoopguru]

Laws are the rules society has agreed that adults need to abide by.

If you're setting up rules that go further than the law then you are treating them like children or criminals.

That is not an inviting precedent and it's why many people "refuse help".

They aren't generally refusing help. They are refusing the extra layer of government.

Im get it but even SLC has rules and qualification for free housing and housing can mean shelters too. Obey laws is a no brainer even for you and I.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Im get it but even SLC has rules and qualification for free housing and housing can mean shelters too. Obey laws is a no brainer even for you and I.

Yes, they instituted additional "rules" around 2018 and it's been far less successful since then. The cost of enforcing the rules has exploded the cost of the program with no identifiable benefit.

Like Florida's law that everyone who was receiving food stamps be drug free. They spebt tens of millions on testing and found that the vast majority of people who needed help were already drug free and they were just making the program far mor expensive by having that requirement.

This idea that people need to be punished with less freedom or strict guidelines to accept "help" needs to change.

 

[Hoopguru]

Yes, they instituted additional "rules" around 2018 and it's been far less successful since then. The cost of enforcing the rules has exploded the cost of the program with no identifiable benefit.

Like Florida's law that everyone who was receiving food stamps be drug free. They spebt tens of millions on testing and found that the vast majority of people who needed help were already drug free and they were just making the program far mor expensive by having that requirement.

This idea that people need to be punished with less freedom or strict guidelines to accept "help" needs to change.

Pretty recent view of SLC approach and changes. Ive also heard that Sweden has been struggling with their housing first approach. And housing doesmt always mean private accommodations it can mean shelter or centers for help.

Good article.....

Did 'housing first' for homelessness work in Utah?Deseret Newshttps://www.deseret.com › politics › 2025/02/20 › utah-...

 

[Phatguysrule]

Pretty recent view of SLC approach and changes. Ive also heard that Sweden has been struggling with their housing first approach. And housing doesmt always mean private accommodations it can mean shelter or centers for help.

Good article.....

Did 'housing first' for homelessness work in Utah?Deseret Newshttps://www.deseret.com › politics › 2025/02/20 › utah-...

The ones that fail offer temporary shelters with rules.

That's not how it originally worked in SLC. People were given a respectable apartment with security and privacy with no strings attached. Same as in Finland.

Some of those apartments were in center that offered services. But the services were not mandatory.

You can't force people to want to change. And if they don't want to change they will certainly relapse.

You can treat them. And if you do many will want to recover and want better. Then they'll get jobs (since they now have an address a phone and a secure location to store their belongings).

Then they'll move out and up.

The other thing is the glp-1 drugs are being found to help people with recovery from fentanyl.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36031011/

Here, acute treatment with the GLP-1R agonist, liraglutide (0.3 mg/kg s.c.), was found to attenuate both cue-induced fentanyl seeking and drug-induced reinstatement of fentanyl seeking with the same efficacy as the currently approved partial opioid agonist, buprenorphine. Taken together, these data suggest that a known satiety signal, GLP-1, may serve as an effective non-opioid alternative for the treatment of Opioid Use Disorder

If you get people in respectable housing and get them treatment that's the most successful thing you can do.

Salt Lake City had it figured out until they started screwing with it trying to add complexity. The complexity requirements are where the insane cost comes from.

Like pretty much all welfare. The simplest thing is the best solution. If people have homes but they need more help the best thing you can do is give them cash.

This is why Finland got rid of "shelters" altogether and they focus on permanent housing and treatment.