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RR7 said:
The cap space doesn't matter. Coming here or not, we would have had an issue with their cap hold.
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hmm guess I understood it wrong. I thought that it freed up some money to throw at Turkoglue and the money hold didnt happen till this season started. My fualt.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Highly doubtful. Claver looks like a tweener, in the bad sense of the term. Too slow to play SF at the NBA level, and too weak/soft to play PF. Casspi and Claver are comparable in size, but Casspi has the mobility of a true SF.

If Claver gets 100% healthy, he might be a smarter, but much less athletic, version of Travis. Whoop-dee-diddle-do.
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Claver's actually supposed to be very athletic. I agree he likely will be a tweener. Much the same way Travis is. And in a few years could fit in perfectly as a backup for us in the same role that Travis plays, backup 3/4, who could be on the court with bigger guys, and can also slide to the 4 in small ball lineups. Provides more flexibility than a straight 3, who with everyone healthy, would have never seen the court for us this season.
 
Wheels said:
hmm guess I understood it wrong. I thought that it freed up some money to throw at Turkoglue and the money hold didnt happen till this season started. My fualt.
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I think they just figured that the bigger need was the backup PF position and they could get Pendy/Dante in the 2nd round. With Travis, Web and Nic - they just did not see the need to spend a roster spot on another small-forward.

Claver was a pick in the Batum/Rudy mold. Take a lottery talent in the late 1st round because of circumstances. NBADraft compared him to Jorge Garbajosa (before the injury)/Antawn Jamison where Casspi was compared to Andres Nocioni/Hedo Turkoglu.

Don't know about you - but it is clear, that individually, Jamison was a better player at his peak than Turk. So, this was a risk/reward situation. Took a risk on a higher potential player while they filled the roster spots with what was, at the time, the position of need.

Does not seem like anything but good GM'ing to me. Going batshit about this in hindsight knowing what we know now about injury issues is... a bit silly.
 
crowTrobot said:
they will have over 10 million in cap space in what will be a huge buyers FA market, plus 2 mid first rounders to use in trade if they need to. they shouldn't have any problem filling needs.
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How is it a buyer's market? There are quite a few teams with cap space.

I think they could potentially set themselves up well, depending on what they do in the draft and free agency. I think ultimately, they shoudl package up their picks and Jeff Green, to look for a big. But a lot will depend on who they can get this season, and their flexibility in the future. They'll soon start to hear the same criticism lobbed at us recently. How will they sign all of their players? Let's assume they miss out on the playoffs just barely, and have a lotto pick this season. They have their 10 million in cap space, but they have extensions due to Durant(Max) and Green(8-10 a year?). Then the season after, Westbrook. Then Harden. I think they would have more difficulty than us in paying 4 young guys a good chunk of change each.
 
RR7 said:
Claver's actually supposed to be very athletic. I agree he likely will be a tweener. Much the same way Travis is. And in a few years could fit in perfectly as a backup for us in the same role that Travis plays, backup 3/4, who could be on the court with bigger guys, and can also slide to the 4 in small ball lineups. Provides more flexibility than a straight 3, who with everyone healthy, would have never seen the court for us this season.
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Claver is supposed to be about 25lbs heavier than Travis. If anything, he will probably be more Rashard Lewis like - and will be able to handle the bigger PFs, on defense, maybe a little better.
 
Sure the kid can shoot, and looks like a good player, but is he scrappy?
 
RR7 said:
:sigh:

Same shit, different day. Why bother?
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Beacuse it brings me enjoyment. I think the purpose of forums is entertainment, and it entertains me to post things like that. If it bothers you, you should place me on ignore so you can enjoy the same level of entertainment I do.
 
Now that he can't see this, don't you all agree that he is a bit anal?
 
Just an update on Claver, so far, this year.

In 26MPG in the ACB he gives Valencia 9.3 PPG, 5 RPG and 1.5APG.
in 28MPG in the EuroCup he gives them 11.5 PPG with 50% on 2 pt shots and 40% on 3-P shots, he is grabbing 6 RPG and 2.5 APG. These numbers are better than Rudy's numbers at the Eurocup at the same age, but not as good Rudy's best year at the Eurocup (the year before he came here).
 
andalusian said:
Just an update on Claver, so far, this year.

In 26MPG in the ACB he gives Valencia 9.3 PPG, 5 RPG and 1.5APG.
in 28MPG in the EuroCup he gives them 11.5 PPG with 50% on 2 pt shots and 40% on 3-P shots, he is grabbing 6 RPG and 2.5 APG. These numbers are better than Rudy's numbers at the Eurocup at the same age, but not as good Rudy's best year at the Eurocup (the year before he came here).
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I hope Claver does well when he gets to the Blazers. The kid looks like a good prospect.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I hope Claver does well when he gets to the Blazers. The kid looks like a good prospect.
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I hope so too. But, let's face it - the draft is, to some extent, a crap shoot, especially in the 20s and lower. This is not exact science. I liked Casspi before the draft and I think he is better than what we thought he would be in the NBA - but to proclaim that KP eff'ed it up at this point, is just not the best judgment.

That was a reasonable pick, given the situation and what was known at the time, and it could still pan out very well. Sometimes you have to shoot for the stars, and given that the Rudy/Batum picks proved to be very good ones, I think it is reasonable to give KP the benefit of doubt at this point about Claver.
 
andalusian said:
Just an update on Claver, so far, this year.

In 26MPG in the ACB he gives Valencia 9.3 PPG, 5 RPG and 1.5APG.
in 28MPG in the EuroCup he gives them 11.5 PPG with 50% on 2 pt shots and 40% on 3-P shots, he is grabbing 6 RPG and 2.5 APG. These numbers are better than Rudy's numbers at the Eurocup at the same age, but not as good Rudy's best year at the Eurocup (the year before he came here).
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he is the slam dunk champ as well i believe.
 
I would honestly rather have Detroit's 6'10" Jonas Jerebko over Casspi. He's Ruben Patterson with a brain.

I have high hopes for Claver. He's 6'11" and can shoot. A pure SF at his size. Like Gallinari but no so one-dimensional.
 
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I liked Casspi before the draft, but my "qualm" with KP and the Casspi/Claver situation was that everyone and their brother knew that Petrie wanted Casspi (even "clueless" fans like me). If nothing else, why wouldn't you try to squeeze SAC by taking Casspi and seeing what they offer?

I know it's a small point, and almost worthless to talk about, but it's moves like this that KP made in 2006 (as an Asst.) and 2007 that made him look like a genius.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I liked Casspi before the draft, but my "qualm" with KP and the Casspi/Claver situation was that everyone and their brother knew that Petrie wanted Casspi (even "clueless" fans like me). If nothing else, why wouldn't you try to squeeze SAC by taking Casspi and seeing what they offer?

I know it's a small point, and almost worthless to talk about, but it's moves like this that KP made in 2006 (as an Asst.) and 2007 that made him look like a genius.
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I remember speculation at the time that involved the trade we had with them, sending Sergio to them to cut his salary, and swapping spots in the second that that swap came with passing on Casspi. Might have just been someone's guess then, I dunno.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I know it's a small point, and almost worthless to talk about, but it's moves like this that KP made in 2006 (as an Asst.) and 2007 that made him look like a genius.
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Very true. I wonder though if Petrie would have told us to get bent with our Sergio trade if we tried to pull that on him. Maybe it meant more to KP to get rid of Sergio than it did to turn the screw on Geoff a little tighter in the 1st round.
 
crowTrobot said:
they will have over 10 million in cap space in what will be a huge buyers FA market, plus 2 mid first rounders to use in trade if they need to. they shouldn't have any problem filling needs.
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I doubt OKC is going to lure some of the elite FAs out there away from larger markets. Bosh and Amare are either going to stand pat or go to NY/NJ/Miami. i can maybe see Boozer going there, but he doesn't exactly scare me as a Blazer fan.
 
MARIS61 said:
Brockman>Pendergraph
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____Brockman_Pendergraph
games___22_______4
mpg____10.8_______15.0
ppg____2.3_______4.8
FT____12-22______7-8
RB_____1.9-4.1_____1.5-3.8 (one bad statistic)
BL_____0.09_______.5
STL____0.09_______.25
TO____0.36________.25
AST___0.25________0 (second bad statistic)

The numbers disprove you.:pimp:
 
That first one's kinda bad too...just sayin'.
 
My only beef with KP is that he seems to have a love affair with finesse jump shooters and scorers ... This is not a very tough team (outside of a couple of guys) and is not a very defensively minded team (aside from a couple of guys).

People complain about LaMarcus being soft (and he kind of is) but most of the roster is this way -- no edge, no balls, nobody that other teams are afraid to fuck with. I'm not saying Casspi is the be all end all and I'm not really lamenting missing out on him, but I think the Claver over Casspi pick is indicative of KP's preference for a certain type of player.
 
Nikolokolus said:
My only beef with KP is that he seems to have a love affair with finesse jump shooters and scorers ... This is not a very tough team (outside of a couple of guys) and is not a very defensively minded team (aside from a couple of guys).

People complain about LaMarcus being soft (and he kind of is) but most of the roster is this way -- no edge, no balls, nobody that other teams are afraid to fuck with. I'm not saying Casspi is the be all end all and I'm not really lamenting missing out on him, but I think the Claver over Casspi pick is indicative of KP's preference for a certain type of player.
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well we had one in pryz, and i doubt anyone wants a piece of bayless or miller, or juwan for that matter, and roy will fuck you up... but i do agree that lma is a pussy assed bitch.
 
drexlersdad said:
well we had one in pryz, and i doubt anyone wants a piece of bayless or miller, or juwan for that matter, and roy will fuck you up... but i do agree that lma is a pussy assed bitch.
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It's just that even Przy isn't all that "tough" you can see it in Joel's face when he's jawing with somebody (his eyes get really wide and his body language gets really defensive instead of aggressive ... it's hard to describe, but I know what a "likes to fight" guy's body language looks like; a lot of it has to do with the direction your torso leans when you are threatened. For instance when Joel and Chandler got into it last year, Przy leaned backward and Tyson leaned forward -- Joel didn't really want to fight, even though he put his hands up and Tyson definitely did)

Regardless, the saddest thing is that the toughest guys on our team are either under 6'6" or they are super old. The whole frontcourt (aside from maybe Juwan or Pendergraph) are really not enforcer types.
 
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