Cavaliers dreaming of a LaMarcus Aldridge trade...

[Charcoal Filtered]

Trade I would like better:

Cleveland gets LA and Beasley
Portland gets Gortat, TT, Cleveland pick
Phoenix gets #10 and future Memphis pick

 

[MickZagger]

Varejao hasn't played more than 31 games in a season the last three years and just hit 30. He also has a terrible contract at $9m/per over the next two years.

Thompson is an undersized PF who can't defend or shoot FTs, and was the starting PF for one of the worst teams in the NBA ... and that's with a supposedly "elite" PG in Irving.

The lottery pick might be nice ... I suppose. Nice trade there.

Welcome to a 15-win season...

I said we could move Thompson and Matthews for a PF/C more to our liking.

 

[PapaG]

With a draft class deep in talent.

I am not for taking AV's contract, but think it would be easily moved.

Also of note, Al Jefferson is only months older and is very comparable to LA. He would also a FA likely to go to another team.

This year's team was competing for a playoff spot until the last three weeks of the season. There are some young pieces here. Trading an All-Star for a broken down PF and an undersized PF, along with a draft pick, seems foolish to me.

 

[PapaG]

I said we could move Thompson and Matthews for a PF/C more to our liking.

Missed that, but still are stuck with Varejao's contract. I have to admit that when I keep seeing these trades with bad teams for LMA, that always include a bad contract, my instinct is just to pick the trade apart. This one, even after reconsidering, I still don't get.

Thompson is a poor man's JJ Hickson. Teaming him with Matthews in a trade won't net anything of substance, will it? Although the pick would be nice, I do agree with that one.

 

[RoyToy]

Trading Aldridge is a dumb idea.

Next.

 

[magnifier661]

With a draft class deep in talent.

I am not for taking AV's contract, but think it would be easily moved.

Also of note, Al Jefferson is only months older and is very comparable to LA. He would also a FA likely to go to another team.

Al Jefferson is not even a close comparison to Aldridge.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Oh I got it confused with Amnesty

Wasn't Amnesty the name of the stripper that Zach Randolph GHB'd and cornholed?

 

[BlazerWookee]

Would you do this trade? The Blazers would also get the Cavaliers first round pick in this years draft.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=az4fotb

Why the hell would we do that?

 

[BlazerWookee]

Trading Aldridge is a dumb idea.

Next.

This, only with a little stronger language than "dumb." Repped.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Al Jefferson is only months older and is very comparable to LA.

This is why marijuana should not be legalized.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

What area of LA's game makes him a player above and beyond Jefferson?

 

[Rhal]

What area of LA's game makes him a player above and beyond Jefferson?

I wouldn't put LA above and beyond Jefferson but he is a better player. Jefferson can rebound more consistently but thats about it that he is better then LA.

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[Hobbesarable]

I wouldn't put LA above and beyond Jefferson but he is a better player. Jefferson can rebound more consistently but thats about it that he is better then LA.

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Jefferson is one of the better offensive post players.

 

[RR7]

Jefferson is one of the better offensive post players.

And Aldridge was better out of the post this season. 26th in the league, .94 points per possession, slightly ahead of Jefferson's .89, 46th in the league.

 

[magnifier661]

What area of LA's game makes him a player above and beyond Jefferson?

Better post scorer, better perimeter, better passer, and much better defensively.

 

[Hobbesarable]

And Aldridge was better out of the post this season. 26th in the league, .94 points per possession, slightly ahead of Jefferson's .89, 46th in the league.

LA took a ton of perimeter shots this season. And it sounded like he's going to work on shooting 3-pointers during the offseason.

 

[RR7]

LA took a ton of perimeter shots this season. And it sounded like he's going to work on shooting 3-pointers during the offseason.

That doesn't dispute that he was better in the post than Jefferson, though, does it? I wish every one of his shots came from 2 feet and in. I understand that isn't going to happen. Just was sharing that he was pretty damned effective on the block.

 

[Hobbesarable]

That doesn't dispute that he was better in the post than Jefferson, though, does it? I wish every one of his shots came from 2 feet and in. I understand that isn't going to happen. Just was sharing that he was pretty damned effective on the block.

Are you looking for a dispute?

I am merely commenting on LA during this season and one of the parts of the game he wants to continue working on.

 

[RR7]

Are you looking for a dispute?

I am merely commenting on LA during this season and one of the parts of the game he wants to continue working on.

Was just stating that for Jefferson being "one of the better offensive post players", Aldridge was better.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Was just stating that for Jefferson being "one of the better offensive post players", Aldridge was better.

How was he better? I mean you may as well lay it out for us if you're going to make that claim.

 

[The Dude]

Aldridge - http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aldrila01/shooting/2013/

Jefferson - http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jeffeal01/shooting/2013/

Wow. Aldridge took 200 more jump shots? That's a lot.

It also shows Al Jefferson was much better at the rim and within 10 feet than Aldridge.

 

[RR7]

How was he better? I mean you may as well lay it out for us if you're going to make that claim.

I already did. Out of post possessions, Aldridge had a better points per possession than Jefferson did.

 

[Hobbesarable]

I already did. Out of post possessions, Aldridge had a better points per possession than Jefferson did.

You gave us points per possession. I thought you had more than that. I guess not.

 

[RR7]

You gave us points per possession. I thought you had more than that. I guess not.

So you don't think it's at all relevant? What more would you be looking for, exactly? Showing a simple FG% at the rim doesn't do anything, since a fast break dunk, back door cut, etc. result in shots at the rim that were not created out of a post up. Posting the two up, that stat shows you're going to have more success, and score more with Aldridge than Jefferson.

 

[Hobbesarable]

So you don't think it's at all relevant? What more would you be looking for, exactly? Showing a simple FG% at the rim doesn't do anything, since a fast break dunk, back door cut, etc. result in shots at the rim that were not created out of a post up. Posting the two up, that stat shows you're going to have more success, and score more with Aldridge than Jefferson.

I think stats are relevant. However, there's a lot more than stats in the game. I'm asking you to convince me.

 

[Hobbesarable]

So you don't think it's at all relevant? What more would you be looking for, exactly? Showing a simple FG% at the rim doesn't do anything, since a fast break dunk, back door cut, etc. result in shots at the rim that were not created out of a post up. Posting the two up, that stat shows you're going to have more success, and score more with Aldridge than Jefferson.

Perhaps you can provide a link. That would be a beginning.

 

[RR7]

You think Jefferson is one of the better post players. Am assuming that's primarily off of just watching him play, seeing him in the post. I dunno what sort of "convincing" you're looking for, and I really don't care to, I dunno, comb through game film to show post moves or whatever it might be. It's a fairly simple stat to look at. I can say so and so is one of the better 3 point shooters. If you said well a guy with a higher percentage is better, and show me what he puts in on a per possession basis as being better than player X I named, what else am I needing to see? Clips of his stroke? On a simple per possession basis, if you post up Al Jefferson 100 times, and post up Aldridge 100 times, you're going to end up with more points out of Aldridge. Maybe scoring more out of the post doesn't specifically make him a better post player.

 

[Hobbesarable]

You think Jefferson is one of the better post players. Am assuming that's primarily off of just watching him play, seeing him in the post. I dunno what sort of "convincing" you're looking for, and I really don't care to, I dunno, comb through game film to show post moves or whatever it might be. It's a fairly simple stat to look at. I can say so and so is one of the better 3 point shooters. If you said well a guy with a higher percentage is better, and show me what he puts in on a per possession basis as being better than player X I named, what else am I needing to see? Clips of his stroke? On a simple per possession basis, if you post up Al Jefferson 100 times, and post up Aldridge 100 times, you're going to end up with more points out of Aldridge. Maybe scoring more out of the post doesn't specifically make him a better post player.

Send the link you're using. That way I can gauge the stats you're interpreting.

 

[BigGameDamian]

LA took a ton of perimeter shots this season. And it sounded like he's going to work on shooting 3-pointers during the offseason.

So is Meyers Leonard.

 

[RR7]

http://mysynergysports.com/