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There were rumours, but with VC, there will always be rumours

lol, I wonder why???.....I'm just saying I've been calling Tmac, Dirk, and Vince soft for years. I've had those who have disagreed and we've argued it out, but the fact remains that these guys shouldn't be trusted as your top guns in "real" critical situations.......
 
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they were even talking about it last night on ESPN, lol...

oh so it must be true

How does giving away your best player for future cap while this team has chance for playoffs make the Nets better? We already have cap for 2010, we need talent for talent.

I admit, it's much better for drama and talking smack, but really... bottom feeder cap teams rarely improve.

get vince out while his value is as high as its gonna get. like kidd last year. we had a chance to make playoffs but we got him out cause it was better in the long run.

and plus, why would you want this softy on your team? heck, why would any team want vince? get him to the grizzlies or the twolves where he belongs. its proven: hes old, he sucks, he has no heart. get him outta the league!
 
lol just cause you can make the playoffs in the first 20some games doesnt mean your a contendor.
 
oh so it must be true



get vince out while his value is as high as its gonna get. like kidd last year. we had a chance to make playoffs but we got him out cause it was better in the long run.

and plus, why would you want this softy on your team? heck, why would any team want vince? get him to the grizzlies or the twolves where he belongs. its proven: hes old, he sucks, he has no heart. get him outta the league!

Oh snap! that sounds exactly like something I would say. am I really that annoying when I speak?
 
oh so it must be true

what???....I guess if I came with an ESPN article claiming Kidd loved VC, then it would be okay.............they asked for the source and I gave it to him.
 
oh so it must be true



get vince out while his value is as high as its gonna get. like kidd last year. we had a chance to make playoffs but we got him out cause it was better in the long run.

and plus, why would you want this softy on your team? heck, why would any team want vince? get him to the grizzlies or the twolves where he belongs. its proven: hes old, he sucks, he has no heart. get him outta the league!

ok what did u do with the real maxamillion?!?!?
 
Yeah.......he's still soft, lol. I've heard those arguments from Vince fans before, but the fact remains that at times he can fall in love with the jumper, has admitted to quitting, has been called soft by teammates (most notably Jason Kidd), and isn't someone who I'd trust leading the way in the post season.........



damn...........are you for real???? lol

Jason Kidd never called Vince soft publicly and I don't remember him saying anything like that and I've watched the nets for the last 10 years. Also everything you mentioned was when Vince was with Toronto, during his time with the nets he's been anything but soft. He was with toronto nearly 5 years ago. Do you realize how long ago that was?? Especially when you consider that NBA careers last 10-15 years.
 
VC never "admitted" to quitting. This has been one of the biggest misconceptions in recent NBA history.

That's true, when he was asked how he went from 17ppg with Toronto to 28ppg with NJ in the same season he said something like "That's what happens when you're playing with a great point guard (Kidd).

I think it's funny that 1. People are even speculating about this trade, including the Cavs organazation. 2, people seem to think that getting Vince or Antawn would guarantee a ring for the Cavs when there are at least two teams in the east that could still beat them in a series.
 
I also don't understand why the nets would trade Vince. It's just bad business to do it. He still has name recognition and because of him the nets sell out at road arenas. We already have capspace, how much more do we really need? I don't see any reason to have 30+ million in cap space for 2010. We'll just be a crappy team that won't be able to attract anyone. With VC and Devin we're an enticing bottom playoff team along wit the development of Lopez and Yi. Trading Vince accomplishes nothing but setting us up for failure like the Grizzlies and Thunder. Both those teams have had capspace for the past two years but can't get anyone to come there and with the Izod center and lack of home fans no free agent would ever want to come here unless this was a team one player away. Even being a playoff team might not be enough for a star to come to NJ in 2010.
 
Jason Kidd never called Vince soft publicly and I don't remember him saying anything like that and I've watched the nets for the last 10 years. Also everything you mentioned was when Vince was with Toronto, during his time with the nets he's been anything but soft. He was with toronto nearly 5 years ago. Do you realize how long ago that was?? Especially when you consider that NBA careers last 10-15 years.

of course he didn't....jerry stackhouse wouldn't call dirk soft publicly either, lol. He hasn't done anything to make me believe that he's still somewhat of a softie.........
 
^ well they did take the celtics to game 7 last year, in a tough fought game 7 win (as did atlanta even though they got blown out in 7), and their only 2 years removed from making it soo adding Vince or Jamison for a player who doesnt do as much and doesn't need defenses to adjust, can only help their chances (baring injury)

lol this was to jurasics post i got lazy
 
lol, it's okay...you like carlton...............carlton's toughness > vince's toughness
 
of course he didn't....jerry stackhouse wouldn't call dirk soft publicly either, lol. He hasn't done anything to make me believe that he's still somewhat of a softie.........

We'll just agree to disagree, Vince in my opinion hasn't been soft during his time with the nets. He also hasn't had enough talent around him to get past the second round and I don't think that makes him soft. Watching Kobe's natural progression to shooting more jumpers doesn't make me conclude that Kobe has turned soft all of a sudden.
 
We'll just agree to disagree, Vince in my opinion hasn't been soft during his time with the nets. He also hasn't had enough talent around him to get past the second round

Not true. The were at least a second round team when Kidd and RJ were there. They just ended up going against the Heat (I can't remember who they faced the other years). To say that Vince hasn't had 2nd round talent makes no sense when Kidd lead them to two Finals appearances with Kmart, and VC is better than Kenyon.
 
Not true. The were at least a second round team when Kidd and RJ were there. They just ended up going against the Heat (I can't remember who they faced the other years). To say that Vince hasn't had 2nd round talent makes no sense when Kidd lead them to two Finals appearances with Kmart, and VC is better than Kenyon.

So your telling me that TOP TO BOTTOM the RJ, VC, Kidd teams were more talented than the finals team that pushed Duncan's Spurs to 6 games in the finals?? I smell BS
 
Vince's NJ teams never had a bench, or even a decent bench player, until this year every nets player off the bench was terrible. Also reread my post I said Vince never had enough talent around him on the nets to get PAST the second round. he's been to the second round with RJ and Kidd
 
So your telling me that TOP TO BOTTOM the RJ, VC, Kidd teams were more talented than the finals team that pushed Duncan's Spurs to 6 games in the finals?? I smell BS

No I smell, BS on your part.

Nowhere did I say that the Kidd-RJ-VC teams where better than Duncan's team, in fact I didn't even mention Duncan or the Spurs in my post. All I said is that they were good enough to get out of the second round, or should have been.

You're trying to make it sound like Vince never had anybody around him.
 
[video=youtube;1WdBQjo5VH0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WdBQjo5VH0[/video]

If that goes in I think they would of went to the finals
 
Off topic but searching for that video i found the video from this picture

vince_carter_dunks.jpg


i think its funny how one of his biggest pictures he doesnt come close to making the shot (first time i've ever seen it)
 
and the battle rages on...

oh and danxcr, I was being incredibly sarcastic. this season, there have been no vc haters showing themselves until now. So I am just filling the void that Montross and people like that would fill: bashing vince and saying hes a dog.
 
Who is this troll "The Dream"?

Kid must be a Houston fan...if anyone is Soft it would be Mr.Tracy McGrady.
 
they were even talking about it last night on ESPN, lol...




I'm not ignoring anything and I'm sure I've been watching basketball a lot longer than you, and realize what "clutch" really is. "End of the game" stats are not a good indication of who is and isn't clutch. For example...Kobe has been in a lot of blowouts this year, so naturally his "end of the game" stats aren't going to be through the roof. There are also a lot of games which "pressure" is not a factor in the last few minutes for either the team that's winning or losing. A good indicator of seeing who is or isn't clutch is by taking a good sample of "real" clutch situations (like tough playoff games...you know when it counts) and looking at how that individual performed....you're insane if you'd take Vince to win a game for you in a fourth quarter over the guys I listed......Bron, Kobe, Wade, Manu, etc. have the track records, wins, and rings to prove it..............



yes and he's still saying that "he doesn't play hard," because of his talent.....that's pathetic......

It must be fun making stuff up. Please provide a link to where VC said he didn't have to play hard because of his talent.
 
there is a postive about this thread, its the largest one i've started in a while = ) lol.
 
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a "troll".
 
Who is this troll "The Dream"?

Kid must be a Houston fan...if anyone is Soft it would be Mr.Tracy McGrady.


this "troll" is a vet, and trust me I've called (and continue to call) Tmac soft....you're not hurting my feelings with that one, lol
 
We'll just agree to disagree, Vince in my opinion hasn't been soft during his time with the nets. He also hasn't had enough talent around him to get past the second round and I don't think that makes him soft. Watching Kobe's natural progression to shooting more jumpers doesn't make me conclude that Kobe has turned soft all of a sudden.


that's cool, but I'd have to agree with Jurassic in saying that I do believe he's had fairly decent talent around him in NJ.
 
there is a postive about this thread, its the largest one i've started in a while = ) lol.

lol


It must be fun making stuff up. Please provide a link to where VC said he didn't have to play hard because of his talent.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1962014

"It's a reflection on him and his character," Raptors guard Rafer Alston said. "Is he a guy that you can go to war with night in and night out? That's what a lot of people are going to be questioning."

Alston also suggested that Carter cost the Raptors games with his lack of effort.

"It hurts," Alston said. "I don't know if a player who is considered an All-Star and has so many fan votes going into All-Star week wants to have that on his rap sheet."

"It caught me off guard, being a professional player that's something I always pride myself on," Peterson said. "I can sleep better at night knowing I give it everything I can."

"You could tell he wasn't playing his best," Peterson said.


The last quote by Mo Pete is something I believe just by watching Vince play. He along with Tmac and Lamar Odom just appear to get by on their "talent" at times.......
 
vc is no soft! look at his dunks and then tell me?
 
an intelligent human would also remember how he admitted to quiting on his team in toronto,

No, he didn't admit to quitting. MaxaMillion711 already posted the quote from John Thompson, THE PERSON WHO CONDUCTED THE INTERVIEW, that Carters words were misrepresented in the media. Carter himself said his comments were wrongly reported.


John Thompson, the current TNT analyst and the former Georgetown basketball coach who conducted the interview, said he felt people misinterpreted Carter's words. ''That boy never said to me, 'Coach, I just laid down and quit,' '' Thompson said in a telephone interview last week. ''I was embarrassed and felt awful about it for his sake, because I knew what he was communicating to me. I think he was more expressing a desire of wanting to do better, as we all do.''




yes and he's still saying that "he doesn't play hard," because of his talent.....that's pathetic......


No, what Carter was saying in that interview was that he had a lot of natural athletic ability/talent, and the game came easier to him compared to others who had lesser talent and had to put more into working on their games and bodies than maybe he did. But when the injuries came and hurt his game, he said he had to work harder to over come them. He didn't admit to "quitting" like you said and like it was widely misreported in the media.
 

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