Chad ford insider grades Blazer offseason an A

[PapaG]

However highly thought of the national writers think of Leonard, it scary they think he will compete with Lopez for the starting job. At the very least your examples of Lillard backing up Paul, Batum backing up Lebron, Aldridge backing up Duncan are terrible examples of the situation here. We are talking a national writer thinks Lopez may potentially back up Leonard. I don't think any national writer puts Leonard in the same category as Duncan, Paul and Lebron.

Why is that 'scary'? Meyers went 15/13/2 blocks in his last summer league game. Lopez will clearly start, but the people praying that Leonard is a bust on this board don't share the sentiment of some writers who follow the NBA.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Why is that 'scary'? Meyers went 15/13/2 blocks in his last summer league game. Lopez will clearly start, but the people praying that Leonard is a bust on this board don't share the sentiment of some writers who follow the NBA.

It sounds like you also don't share the sentiments of some writers who follow the NBA as you think Lopez will clearly start. Not so bad, and often more accurate when it comes to your own team, disagreeing with writers who follow the NBA.

 

[PapaG]

While Lopez is probably better suited coming off the bench, he had a very strong 2012-13 in which he posted an impressive 18.9 PER. He should battle second-year big man Meyers Leonard for the starting center position.



I'm not saying Leonard should start over Lopez, but that first part of the sentence seems to suggest that Lopez in more of a back up . . . but he acknowledges that Lopez had a good year last year which seems to suggest he might be elevating to a starting NBA center??? (i know he started last year but many players started last year that probably shouldn't be starters)

Here is the list of NBA centers who had a PER of 18+, WS of .1+, and played over 25 mpg, as well as over 60 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...at=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per

Player that fit the true center criteria, sorted by PER.

1 Brook Lopez 24.7
2 Al Horford 19.8 .
3 Marc Gasol 19.5
4 Tyson Chandler 18.9
5 Robin Lopez 18.9
6 Joakim Noah 18.1



Which of them shouldn't be starting?

 

[PapaG]

It sounds like you also don't share the sentiments of some writers who follow the NBA as you think Lopez will clearly start. Not so bad, and often more accurate when it comes to your own team, disagreeing with writers who follow the NBA.

I suggest you look at actual statistics, which I just provided, and tell my Lopez shouldn't be a starter.

 

[PapaG]

Here is the list of NBA centers who had a PER of 18+, WS of .1+, and played over 25 mpg, as well as over 60 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...at=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per

Player that fit the true center criteria, sorted by PER.

1 Brook Lopez 24.7
2 Al Horford 19.8 .
3 Marc Gasol 19.5
4 Tyson Chandler 18.9
5 Robin Lopez 18.9
6 Joakim Noah 18.1



Which of them shouldn't be starting?

The craziest thing of that list to me is the Robin L. has the second-highest FG% and second-highest FT% of the 'elite' centers from last year who actually could suit up for 75% of their games.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I suggest you look at actual statistics, which I just provided, and tell my Lopez shouldn't be a starter.

I do think Lopez should be starting on this team. My point was you seem to try and discredit posters (about Leonard) because national writers think otherwise, yet you also think otherwise (Robin is a starter) from national writers.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Here is the list of NBA centers who had a PER of 18+, WS of .1+, and played over 25 mpg, as well as over 60 games.

Player that fit the true center criteria, sorted by PER.

1 Brook Lopez 24.7
2 Al Horford 19.8 .
3 Marc Gasol 19.5
4 Tyson Chandler 18.9
5 Robin Lopez 18.9
6 Joakim Noah 18.1



Which of them shouldn't be starting?

5 ?

 

[PapaG]

I do think Lopez should be starting on this team. My point was you seem to try and discredit posters (about Leonard) because national writers think otherwise, yet you also think otherwise (Robin is a starter) from national writers.

Who did I try to discredit about Leonard? I only suggested that perhaps Meyers has a better perceived around the national NBA than he does on this board. His board image has been crafted by 3 or 4 posters, anyhow, who seem to think the guy is a total bust, regardless of any statistics suggesting otherwise. I've yet to see the poster here who thinks Leonard is going to be some sort of superstar center, but there are some who wanted him traded instead of Jeff Withey, who is 2 years older than Leonard, and struggled in summer league because he gets lost defensively, other than weakside shot blocking.

 

[RoyToy]

Ideally, Nic Batum would be the back-up to LeBron James, and Brooke Lopez would be the back-up to Dwight Howard.

Denny should just change your name to Strawman.

Your posts are pretty cringe-worthy these days.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Who did I try to discredit about Leonard? I only suggested that perhaps Meyers has a better perceived around the national NBA than he does on this board. His board image has been crafted by 3 or 4 posters, anyhow, who seem to think the guy is a total bust, regardless of any statistics suggesting otherwise. I've yet to see the poster here who thinks Leonard is going to be some sort of superstar center, but there are some who wanted him traded instead of Jeff Withey, who is older than Leonard, and struggled in summer league.

OK fair enough.

Leonard (and Lopez) will have have ample opportunities this season to show us Blazer fans if they are keepers. I think both are, but I do wonder if Lopez is a true NBA starting center or if the stars just happen to align for him last season to put up those kinds of numbers. I'm hoping he proves to be a quality NBA starting center, because the Blazers sure do need one.

 

[PapaG]

Denny should just change your name to Strawman.

Your posts are pretty cringe-worthy these days.

Wait, so your post wasn't a Strawman? What value have you added to this thread in terms of stats or opinion, other than saying I agree with you, which I don't?

 

[PapaG]

OK fair enough.

Leonard (and Lopez) will have have ample opportunities this season to show us Blazer fans if they are keepers. I think both are, but I do wonder if Lopez is a true NBA starting center or if the stars just happen to align for him last season to put up those kinds of numbers. I'm hoping he proves to be a quality NBA starting center, because the Blazers sure do need one.

Lopez has a career PER of 16.4 with a career USG of 18.8. He's a very efficient player with a career WS/48 of .116. It's not like he sucked before last year. For $5m, he's an absolute steal, based on his first 4 years in the league.

 

[maxiep]

That'll be quite a "battle".

Lopez = Germans

Leonard = French

 

[MickZagger]

I don't need Chad Ford's approval. He's a blowhard.

 

[THE HCP]

Here is the list of NBA centers who had a PER of 18+, WS of .1+, and played over 25 mpg, as well as over 60 games.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...at=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per

Player that fit the true center criteria, sorted by PER.

1Brook Lopez24.7
2Al Horford 19.8.
3Marc Gasol19.5
4Tyson Chandler 18.9
5Robin Lopez 18.9
6Joakim Noah 18.1



Which of them shouldn't be starting?

Nice find!


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[MickZagger]

I think he'd be a back-up behind an All-Star center. I think he's an ideal starter next to LMA.

Why can't we just have All Star starters at every position?

 

[ABM]

Why can't we just have All Star starters at every position?

Could you image South Beach on Columbia Blvd?

 

[MickZagger]

Could you image South Beach on Columbia Blvd?

Giggity!

 

[magnifier661]

Whoever wrote the article we are all discussing in this thread. Chad Ford?

I didn't read that part. I read that Leonard would give Lopez a tough run for the starting spot. But I agree that writers can be fucking idiots. Even the chad fords

 

[magnifier661]

OK fair enough.

Leonard (and Lopez) will have have ample opportunities this season to show us Blazer fans if they are keepers. I think both are, but I do wonder if Lopez is a true NBA starting center or if the stars just happen to align for him last season to put up those kinds of numbers. I'm hoping he proves to be a quality NBA starting center, because the Blazers sure do need one.

I discredit Leonard because I've watched him closely. I've also watched Lopez because I wanted him two seasons ago.

 

[PapaG]

Why can't we just have All Star starters at every position?

Where you been all day. Batum would be the perfect back-up for LeBron. Lillard would be the titz as Chris Paul's back-up.

 

[magnifier661]

Where you been all day. Batum would be the perfect back-up for LeBron. Lillard would be the titz as Chris Paul's back-up.

Lillard would start. Cp3 ain't that good

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I discredit Leonard because I've watched him closely. I've also watched Lopez because I wanted him two seasons ago.

Hey I'm with you on this mags. I gloss over the posts listing a bunch of stats on Blazer players because I follow the players and watch almost every minute they play in the NBA. I don't need stats to tell me what benefits they bring to the team. And I think many posters on this board have better opinions about Blazer players than national and even local writers.

With other players, I do tend to look at the stats because I really only follow the Blazers. If Lopez turns out to be all that, then hats off to you (and Mick). I'm skeptical because I don't think a team just let's a center go at that age if they thought he had a lot of potential. I don't see all this upside many on the board are buzzing about. But that (and there hasn't been alot of media or fans buzz about Robin) are really the only reasons I'm skeptical, so I could easily be way off on my analysis.

Anyone know a good a Pelican forum, would love to read what NO fans think of the trade.

 

[magnifier661]

Hey I'm with you on this mags. I gloss over the posts listing a bunch of stats on Blazer players because I follow the players and watch almost every minute they play in the NBA. I don't need stats to tell me what benefits they bring to the team. And I think many posters on this board have better opinions about Blazer players than national and even local writers.

With other players, I do tend to look at the stats because I really only follow the Blazers. If Lopez turns out to be all that, then hats off to you (and Mick). I'm skeptical because I don't think a team just let's a center go at that age if they thought he had a lot of potential. I don't see all this upside many on the board are buzzing about. But that (and there hasn't been alot of media or fans buzz about Robin) are really the only reasons I'm skeptical, so I could easily be way off on my analysis.

Anyone know a good a Pelican forum, would love to read what NO fans think of the trade.

I think we managed to get Lopez because they have Anthony. They really wanted Evans, and we were at the right place at the right time.

Also, olshey already had good relations with Nola with the deal he pulled off with the cp3 fiasco.

I'm not saying Lopez will be some major all star or something; but he's much better than what hickson gave us.

I'm not as concerned with the rebounding, because I really think he nets higher rebounds for the team. I think that's better anyway.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Found a site. Here is one post that kind of hurts and overall I don't see a lot of grief about losing Lopez . . . but the analysis is losing Lopez to gain Tyreke. Apparently Lopez is costing the Blazers 6 million/yr

So basically Dell got Portland to pay Lopez's trade kicker and got them to throw in a player that may have a higher ceiling than Lopez. Dealin' Dell Doin' Work!

http://www.pelicansreport.com/showthread.php?77517-Withey-to-Nola

(finding that site worth a rep?)

Another post from the site that no one seems to contest and sounds good coming from a Pelican fan:

Exactly what I think will happen as well. The Blazers get a solid player for nothing, we get cap space and Evans, and the Kings get a PG that is a fringe starter with upside (for a guy they didn't want to commit to). Everybody wins.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'm skeptical because I don't think a team just let's a center go at that age if they thought he had a lot of potential. I don't see all this upside many on the board are buzzing about.

I'm confused--who's saying anything about "potential" or "upside" in regard to Lopez? I think most of us just want him to be what he already is--a big body to provide a defensive presence in the middle and efficient performance overall. Nobody expects Lopez to develop into an all-star center.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I'm confused--who's saying anything about "potential" or "upside" in regard to Lopez? I think most of us just want him to be what he already is--a big body to provide a defensive presence in the middle and efficient performance overall. Nobody expects Lopez to develop into an all-star center.

No I don't see anyone saying he is an all star center, you don't get an all star center for nothing. But posters keep mentioning his age and how his stats improve each year. Also, Lopez was the biggest new contract the Blazers sign this summer . . .sort of there big salary cap space move so to speak. I guess i have been reading people excited about the pick up and what Lopez can become. Sometimes the vocal minority standout or maybe I have just misperceived the board but I feel an overall excitement about Lopez that I'm having a hard time jumping on board. A couple games of getting to watch him play and I may be right there with the excitement.

 

[RoyToy]

Wait, so your post wasn't a Strawman? What value have you added to this thread in terms of stats or opinion, other than saying I agree with you, which I don't?

Opinion - lopez is just an okay player that is ideally a backup if you are a real contender

Stat - new orleans ranked 23rd in pts in the paint last year

Instead of reading my posts you instead started raging for no apparent reason. Since when is it blasphemy to say ROBIN LOPEZ is just am okay player?

Bill Simmons is right. You guys really are soccer moms.

 

[PapaG]

Opinion - lopez is just an okay player that is ideally a backup if you are a real contender

Stat - new orleans ranked 23rd in pts in the paint last year

Instead of reading my posts you instead started raging for no apparent reason. Since when is it blasphemy to say ROBIN LOPEZ is just am okay player?

Bill Simmons is right. You guys really are soccer moms.

Ranked 23rd in offensive points in the paint? What's your point? Lopez isn't a center with a complete post game. I thought that was assumed? New Orleans was fairly terrible last year in everything, but they were a much better team with Lopez on the court.

As for the soccer mom thing ... huh? Are you saying Hickson is a better option playing 30 mpg at C instead of Lopez?

 

[magnifier661]

No I don't see anyone saying he is an all star center, you don't get an all star center for nothing. But posters keep mentioning his age and how his stats improve each year. Also, Lopez was the biggest new contract the Blazers sign this summer . . .sort of there big salary cap space move so to speak. I guess i have been reading people excited about the pick up and what Lopez can become. Sometimes the vocal minority standout or maybe I have just misperceived the board but I feel an overall excitement about Lopez that I'm having a hard time jumping on board. A couple games of getting to watch him play and I may be right there with the excitement.

I don't think there was any "big cap move". If we look into what we got; we got a deadly three point shooter and legit back up to batum, we got a legit back up pf with rebounding and defensive abilities, we got a big body center that protects the rim and works well in a team concept (making the entire team rebound better).

Would you rather us not sign wright or grab Robinson so we could grab Iggy or evans instead?