Chad Ford Mock Draft 4.0

[Da_O]

I don't think anyone posted this but here goes

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-090610

You need insider to read the rest of the article, I will just post who he said the Blazers will take.

DaJuan Summers
Position: SF
Height: 6-9
Weight: 243
Age: 21
School: Georgetown

Analysis: The Blazers are looking at trading this pick. But if they keep it, the Blazers can add another forward who can play both the 3 and the 4. Summers already has an NBA body and has that shooting ability the team really covets.

Other Notables

Hansbrough going 11
Blair going 16
Maynor 17

 

[RickyRubio]

6-9 243 with a shot? I am cool with that.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Yeah I like this pick too. He was of the fastest, most agile, and strongest at the combine. Not tops in anything but high in all of them. And in the speed ones he was the only guy his size up near the top. Seems like a great hustle guy that can bang cause of his strength also.

 

[bigbailes]

Yeah I like this pick too. He was of the fastest, most agile, and strongest at the combine. Not tops in anything but high in all of them. And in the speed ones he was the only guy his size up near the top. Seems like a great hustle guy that can bang cause of his strength also.

i agree. sounds like one of those classic role players that can come off the bench and do some work. never going to be a star but a very solid nba guy.

 

[hasoos]

Surprised they have Hansborough at 11. I haven't heard anything about him going earlier than late 1st early 2nd.

 

[Webster's Dictionary]

Haven't seen much of Summers. Sounds just like Travis Outlaw to me. Anyone care to dispell this?

 

[hasoos]

Haven't seen much of Summers. Sounds just like Travis Outlaw to me. Anyone care to dispell this?

Well he is either one of two things. He is either versatile, and can play multiple positions well, or he is a tweener like Travis, and cannot thrive at either position, and only have a good game when the matchup is "just right".

 

[Wheels]

Haven't seen much of Summers. Sounds just like Travis Outlaw to me. Anyone care to dispell this?

Summers 248 lbs.. Outlaw 207. Actually I have never seen Summers Play so I had to go with something smartass like this

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Haven't seen much of Summers. Sounds just like Travis Outlaw to me. Anyone care to dispell this?

Does everyone that can play the 3 or the 4 sound like Travis Outlaw to you?

 

[Shapecity]

He's deadly from the corner 3's. Can't defend worth a lick though.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

He's deadly from the corner 3's. Can't defend worth a lick though.

Sounds like James Jones.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Summers 248 lbs.. Outlaw 207. Actually I have never seen Summers Play so I had to go with something smartass like this

Summers may be heavier than Outlaw, but he's an equally poor rebounder. No thanks. These are his weaknesses from DraftExpress:

- Stuck between 3 and 4
- Turnover prone
- Ball-handling skills
- Back to basket scoring
- Lateral quickness
- Doesn't always play hard
- Mental toughness
- Physical Toughness
- Questionable intangibles
- College system makes him difficult to evaluate
- Not productive enough
- Poor assist/turnover ratio
- Poor rebounder
- Pull-up jumper
- Relies too heavily on outside shot

Doesn't sound like he's well suited to be either a 3 (bad handle, poor lateral quickness) or a 4 (poor rebounder, weak back-to-the-basket game) in the NBA. Classic tweener - in the bad way. I want our back-up 4 to be a banger. A great rebounder and someome who puts a body on somebody and pushes them out of the paint and isn't afraid of playing physical defense. I don't want a soft, jump shooting 3 masquerading as a 4.

BTW, DraftExpress has him going at 35. 24 is too early, and I wouldn't even want him at 35 (or even 55).

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Surprised they have Hansborough at 11. I haven't heard anything about him going earlier than late 1st early 2nd.

I wouldn't mind the Blazers taking Hansbrough at 24. He's low risk, low upside. I think he'll be a career back-up (or a starter on a crappy team), but I think he'll be a very good role player, high energy guy off the bench and solid contributor in limited minutes.

DraftExpress now has him going 20 to Utah (makes sense if they lose Boozer and move Millsap into the starting roll). After measuring out a little bigger than expected, and having some good camps/workouts, he's been moving up, but this is the first mock I've seen that has him in the lottery.

BNM

 

[Wheels]

Summers may be heavier than Outlaw, but he's an equally poor rebounder. No thanks. These are his weaknesses from DraftExpress:

- Stuck between 3 and 4
- Turnover prone
- Ball-handling skills
- Back to basket scoring
- Lateral quickness
- Doesn't always play hard
- Mental toughness
- Physical Toughness
- Questionable intangibles
- College system makes him difficult to evaluate
- Not productive enough
- Poor assist/turnover ratio
- Poor rebounder
- Pull-up jumper
- Relies too heavily on outside shot

Doesn't sound like he's well suited to be either a 3 (bad handle, poor lateral quickness) or a 4 (poor rebounder, weak back-to-the-basket game) in the NBA. Classic tweener - in the bad way. I want our back-up 4 to be a banger. A great rebounder and someome who puts a body on somebody and pushes them out of the paint and isn't afraid of playing physical defense. I don't want a soft, jump shooting 3 masquerading as a 4.

BTW, DraftExpress has him going at 35. 24 is too early, and I wouldn't even want him at 35 (or even 55).

BNM

Yeah I was looking for his profile on draft express.. from what I heard I expected to find him somewhere in the 1st round.. I had to search all the way into the second round dammit!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Sounds almost as terrible as this guy (from draft Express):

-lack of a standout trait that he can bank on at the next level.
-he doesn’t have that “blow-by” explosiveness or “dunk contest” leaping ability
-“consummate roleplayer” type at the next level, as opposed to a full out star.
-he can still work on making his 3-point shot a more consistent part of his repertoire.
-doesn’t look to shoot the longball very often, and that will likely have to change at the next level.
-his play borders on passive.
-there are times when he is too willing to let other players dominate the ball.
-he likely will be playing a complimentary role in the NBA
-bad knee, which has bothered him for quite some time now.
-a couple of surgeries may have robbed him of a bit of explosiveness.
-his knee will get lots of attention from NBA teams.

 

[Wheels]

Sounds almost as terrible as this guy (from draft Express):

-lack of a standout trait that he can bank on at the next level.
-he doesn’t have that “blow-by” explosiveness or “dunk contest” leaping ability
-“consummate roleplayer” type at the next level, as opposed to a full out star.
-he can still work on making his 3-point shot a more consistent part of his repertoire.
-doesn’t look to shoot the longball very often, and that will likely have to change at the next level.
-his play borders on passive.
-there are times when he is too willing to let other players dominate the ball.
-he likely will be playing a complimentary role in the NBA
-bad knee, which has bothered him for quite some time now.
-a couple of surgeries may have robbed him of a bit of explosiveness.
-his knee will get lots of attention from NBA teams.

who's that supposed to be?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

who's that supposed to be?

Presumably Brandon Roy.

 

[hasoos]

I wouldn't mind the Blazers taking Hansbrough at 24. He's low risk, low upside. I think he'll be a career back-up (or a starter on a crappy team), but I think he'll be a very good role player, high energy guy off the bench and solid contributor in limited minutes.

DraftExpress now has him going 20 to Utah (makes sense if they lose Boozer and move Millsap into the starting roll). After measuring out a little bigger than expected, and having some good camps/workouts, he's been moving up, but this is the first mock I've seen that has him in the lottery.

BNM

Wasn't there an article a few years back which said that if you drafted purely out of North Carolina, UConn, and I can't remember the 3rd school, they were listing off the team's you would have had on the floor, and it was flat out sick.

Anyhow that being said, I think Hansborough is almost a perfect fit at backup PF/3rd center.

He brings toughness, he stayed multiple years under a top tier coach to learn in college(A coach who has produced many NBA players at that.) He rebounds, he is capable of scoring. Hell the one time I saw him dunk on that 7'6" dude is almost enough to make me want him on the team alone.

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[VanillaGorilla]

Wasn't there an article a few years back which said that if you drafted purely out of North Carolina, UConn, and I can't remember the 3rd school, they were listing off the team's you would have had on the floor, and it was flat out sick.

Anyhow that being said, I think Hansborough is almost a perfect fit at backup PF/3rd center.

He brings toughness, he stayed multiple years under a top tier coach to learn in college(A coach who has produced many NBA players at that.) He rebounds, he is capable of scoring. Hell the one time I saw him dunk on that 7'6" dude is almost enough to make me want him on the team alone.

I don't know if he can guard/rebound with all centers, even backups.

That was obviously a travel, but it was very cool.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Sounds almost as terrible as this guy (from draft Express):

-lack of a standout trait that he can bank on at the next level.
-he doesn’t have that “blow-by” explosiveness or “dunk contest” leaping ability
-“consummate roleplayer” type at the next level, as opposed to a full out star.
-he can still work on making his 3-point shot a more consistent part of his repertoire.
-doesn’t look to shoot the longball very often, and that will likely have to change at the next level.
-his play borders on passive.
-there are times when he is too willing to let other players dominate the ball.
-he likely will be playing a complimentary role in the NBA
-bad knee, which has bothered him for quite some time now.
-a couple of surgeries may have robbed him of a bit of explosiveness.
-his knee will get lots of attention from NBA teams.

Nope. Sounds totally different to me. Sure there were questions about Roy (there are about every player), but he had a clear position and the skills to be a solid player at the next level. He was also a 1st team All-American. Summers couldn't even make 3rd Team (or even honorable mention) All Big East. So, Roy was considered on of the top 5 players in all of college basketball and Summers isn't even consider one of the top 20 players in his own conference.

Go back and read the minuses on Summers again. He doesn't have the handles or lateral quickness to be a 3 at the NBA level, and he doesn't have a low post game or rebounding ability (let alone the size) to be a 4. The guy has the body of an undersized power forward, but likes to jack up perimiter jump shots. If I'm looking for a back-up 4, I don't mind him being a little undersized if he's willing to bang in the paint and get after it on the glass. Summers is neither one of those things. So, again, no thanks.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

I don't know if he can guard/rebound with all centers, even backups.

With Joel, Oden and LaMarcus on the roster, Hansbrough would never spend a second at back-up center (well, maybe in garbage time, but who cares). All we need is a guy who can back-up LaMarcus at power forward for 10 - 12 MPG. Ideally, I'd like a guy who can rebound, bring some energy, play physical, and not make mistakes. If he can do a little scoring, that's a bonus. I'd still prefer a veteran over a rookie, and there's a few others in the draft I'd rather have (Blair) than Hansbrough. However, if Hansbrough is available at 24, he'd be a good value pick at that spot - and if Freeland stays in Spain, could actually get some minutes at back-up 4.

BNM

 

[Masbee]

Sounds almost as terrible as this guy (from draft Express):

-lack of a standout trait that he can bank on at the next level.
-he doesn’t have that “blow-by” explosiveness or “dunk contest” leaping ability
-“consummate roleplayer” type at the next level, as opposed to a full out star.
-he can still work on making his 3-point shot a more consistent part of his repertoire.
-doesn’t look to shoot the longball very often, and that will likely have to change at the next level.
-his play borders on passive.
-there are times when he is too willing to let other players dominate the ball.
-he likely will be playing a complimentary role in the NBA
-bad knee, which has bothered him for quite some time now.
-a couple of surgeries may have robbed him of a bit of explosiveness.
-his knee will get lots of attention from NBA teams.

he he

HE HE

HA HA HA

F ALL OF YOU STUPID BASTARDS!

LOOK AT ME NOW!!!

 

[Wheels]

Presumably Brandon Roy.

ahh thats what I was thinking but wasnt sure, thanks.

 

[Da_O]

Chad Ford is a terrible talent evaluator but he's constantly talking to GM's trying to peg who they're going to take. I wouldn't be surprised if his final mock draft wasn't pretty close to how it really is. I still think Rod Thorn will take Blair with the number 11 pick, but I just don't see Hansbrough falling to us now that his stock has been up. And I have stated before that I don't want to trade integral pieces to move up in this draft.

 

[oldmangrouch]

What scares me, is that I keep seeing mock drafts that have us taking (shudder) Chase Budinger. There are few players in the draft less qualified to meet our needs!

 

[VanillaGorilla]

With Joel, Oden and LaMarcus on the roster, Hansbrough would never spend a second at back-up center (well, maybe in garbage time, but who cares). All we need is a guy who can back-up LaMarcus at power forward for 10 - 12 MPG. Ideally, I'd like a guy who can rebound, bring some energy, play physical, and not make mistakes. If he can do a little scoring, that's a bonus. I'd still prefer a veteran over a rookie, and there's a few others in the draft I'd rather have (Blair) than Hansbrough. However, if Hansbrough is available at 24, he'd be a good value pick at that spot - and if Freeland stays in Spain, could actually get some minutes at back-up 4.

BNM

Oh I completely agree I was just adressing what someone said about him being our third center, cause unless we get a 4 that can play 5, LaMarcus would be our third center.

 

[Sinobas]

he he

HE HE

HA HA HA

F ALL OF YOU STUPID BASTARDS!

LOOK AT ME NOW!!!

Roy had a 40 inch vertical at the draft combine...that's grade A. Not to many athletes reach 40, not even Jerryd Bayless jumped that high, so I'm not sure why he had that rep.

 

[Nikolokolus]

This draft is so not getting me excited at all -- total dearth of great talent, low draft position and likely too expensive to move up to where it would be worthwhile.

God I hop KP trades out of the first round.

 

[STOMP]

What scares me, is that I keep seeing mock drafts that have us taking (shudder) Chase Budinger. There are few players in the draft less qualified to meet our needs!

I'm a talent/BPA over needs guy and hope thats the main philosophy of management's draft day plan. If the team has a need, talent is a tradable commodity. It's a draft day trap to focus on anything but whats available and selecting the nuggets from the gravel.

I like Budinger more then some of the guys projected going to PDX @ 24. Dude is a heady athletic wing who can spread the court with a sweet jumper and pass the ball well. If other moves weren't made he probably wouldn't see many minutes next year, but I could see him leapfrogging Travis and Martell for backup wing minutes down the line.

STOMP

 

[Da_O]

I'm a talent/BPA over needs guy and hope thats the main philosophy of management's draft day plan. If the team has a need, talent is a tradable commodity. It's a draft day trap to focus on anything but whats available and selecting the nuggets from the gravel.

I like Budinger more then some of the guys projected going to PDX @ 24. Dude is a heady athletic wing who can spread the court with a sweet jumper and pass the ball well. If other moves weren't made he probably wouldn't see many minutes next year, but I could see him leapfrogging Travis and Martell for backup wing minutes down the line.

STOMP

I'm more into breaking down player's talent into tiers. If player A and B are in tier 3 but B is a position of need, I would have no qualms with taking B. But if player A is clearly a tier above player B then you have to go BPA in that position.