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Bill Simmons tweeted a couple of weeks ago that Kahn is going to overpay Greg Oden next summer, but isn't Oden the PERFECT compliment to Love?
Chad Ford (1:46 PM)

If he stays healthy, Oden will be a Top 5 center in the league because he's so dominant on the defensive end. BUT how could you give a kid who has missed more than half of his career with injuries a long-term deal? That's scary. But I do understand why Kahn would roll the dice. He's not luring a top tier free agent to Minnesota. The team is terrible. Why not swing for the fences? If Oden's healthy, he's a genius. If he's not, they can't get any worse.
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That would be ... ummmm ... interesting.
 
That's my nightmare. A GM who has nothing much to lose gambling on a massive deal and forcing Portland to ante up or lose Oden. I don't know what Cho would choose, but losing Oden would truly be the final death blow to any hopes I had of a Blazers title anytime soon (this is all assuming Oden has a good and mostly healthy year when he returns).
 
Minstrel said:
That's my nightmare. A GM who has nothing much to lose gambling on a massive deal and forcing Portland to ante up or lose Oden. I don't know what Cho would choose, but losing Oden would truly be the final death blow to any hopes I had of a Blazers title anytime soon (this is all assuming Oden has a good and mostly healthy year when he returns).
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I think the Blazers have no choice but to match. They already passed on Kevin Durant, and to let Oden walk for nothing would make that decision even more egregious. They could justify the contract if he never pans out by saying, "we had to do it," but if he goes somewhere else and becomes a star, how do they face their fans?
 
Considering how many great moves Kahn has made so far, if he is willing to do that, I am willing to let Greg go. Just because the facts are that Kahn has made so many fucking stupid moves, that chances are this is the wrong one too.
 
Silly to think PA won't match any offer that comes GO's way.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Silly to think PA won't match any offer that comes GO's way.
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What if Roy is really a different player? At that point, I think the decision has to be Batum or Oden, since Nic will be due a new deal after next season, and he is fast on his way to becoming a $10-$12 million player. I find it unlikely that Paul Allen would again put himself so far over the cap without a definite shot at a title, and potentially this time for a team with two players (Roy and Oden) who are question marks in terms of durability.
 
This is why we're going to be paying Oden Max money, like I said a week ago. Until Batum shows more consistency, no way he's a 10 million player..there are just so many guys at his position that can do what he does.
 
BGrantFan said:
What if Roy is really a different player? At that point, I think the decision has to be Batum or Oden, since Nic will be due a new deal after next season, and he is fast on his way to becoming a $10-$12 million player. I find it unlikely that Paul Allen would again put himself so far over the cap without a definite shot at a title, and potentially this time for a team with two players (Roy and Oden) who are question marks in terms of durability.
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We're potentially looking at another Darius Miles situation with BRoy. He could spend the next season or two on the injured list, and never regain the athleticism that he once had. I think people forget what Miles looked like before he hurt his knee. Afterward he wasn't even a serviceable role player.
 
Kahn has a hardon for all things Portland. He lives in Portland, and the Blazers have continually sprurned his attempts to be part of the team. He's been waiting for the opportunity - and this sounds like his motive.
 
Minstrel said:
That's my nightmare. A GM who has nothing much to lose gambling on a massive deal and forcing Portland to ante up or lose Oden. I don't know what Cho would choose, but losing Oden would truly be the final death blow to any hopes I had of a Blazers title anytime soon (this is all assuming Oden has a good and mostly healthy year when he returns).
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I think if Oden has a good and mostly healthy year, it is actually an easy decision to match. A "good" Oden is dominant.

Where the decision gets difficult is if Oden doesn't have a mostly healthy season.
 
It'll either be Kahn, Presti or Chris Wallace who's going to fuck us over with a hugely inflated Oden contract. Cho is a fucking idiot for not pushing for an extension, injuries be damned.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
It'll either be Kahn, Presti or Chris Wallace who's going to fuck us over with a hugely inflated Oden contract. Cho is a fucking idiot for not pushing for an extension, injuries be damned.
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What if Oden wouldn't sign?
 
blazerboy30 said:
I think if Oden has a good and mostly healthy year, it is actually an easy decision to match. A "good" Oden is dominant.

Where the decision gets difficult is if Oden doesn't have a mostly healthy season.
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One reasonably healthy season (which will be truncated anyway) may not convince Cho to invest a max-type deal in him.

I see it somewhat as the opposite...if Oden has yet another lost season due to injury, the decision probably becomes easy to let him go. But I would imagine that if he has another injury-plagued season, even Kahn wouldn't extend a gigantic deal.
 
Look: we can match any offer. And we will, unless Oden's leg has literally dropped off.

Besides, if we sign him and THEN his leg drops off, in all likelihood, one provision of the new CBA will deal with busts signed to huge contracts. It's already been floated.
 
Unless there are some serious changes to the CBA, Oden's extension will not impact Batum's, because PA won't care about lux tax. And I really think we should reserve judgment about Roy's situation before we know more.

This could just be a precautionary thing where all he would need is a scope and some cleaning.
 
way its going with oden.... im thinking we may get a bargain.

theres no reason to think he even will play this season
 
Just to also mention another point. Kahn may want to do one thing. I wouldn't be surprised if Kahn isn't Minnesota's GM by end of year, and I also wouldn't be surprised if he is, that the owner of the team wouldn't approve the deal.
 
hasoos said:
Just to also mention another point. Kahn may want to do one thing. I wouldn't be surprised if Kahn isn't Minnesota's GM by end of year, and I also wouldn't be surprised if he is, that the owner of the team wouldn't approve the deal.
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This. I don't see why the owner of Minny would continue to hand the reigns off to a guy who has made mistake after mistake.
 
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The logical part of me wants to say no GM in the league would be stupid enough to offer Oden a max deal with lots of years, but Kahn might be. Regardless I don't expect the next CBA to be as friendly to players and there's a good chance we see partially guaranteed contracts if a hard cap gets implemented. If that happens I have no problem whatsoever with Allen matching a big contract for Greg as long as some of the risk can be ameliorated.
 
Khan might. so might Presti. and so may Wallace. they have the money and the need for a Center (at least OKC does). Its a small risk, high reward for them generally, although it might cost them a lot. initial marketing would probably cover that and if he gets injured any worse, who knows.
 
Oden's agent isn't stupid; he got his son a ridiculous deal. Everyone that has seen GO knows that if he's healthy, he's a game-changer. The reason we didn't really try to negotiate an extension with GO and his camp was cool with it is that we were too far off in what we'd pay and what they would accept.

Conley has done a survey of the league and knows there are teams that will overpay and make a bet on GO's upside. If we don't pay him, someone else will.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Unless there are some serious changes to the CBA, Oden's extension will not impact Batum's, because PA won't care about lux tax. And I really think we should reserve judgment about Roy's situation before we know more.

This could just be a precautionary thing where all he would need is a scope and some cleaning.
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Link? Last I heard, the Vulcans were charged with the task of making the team profitable. What would be the point of going far into Tax Land with a team that may not even be a contender?
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Khan might. so might Presti. and so may Wallace. they have the money and the need for a Center (at least OKC does). Its a small risk, high reward for them generally, although it might cost them a lot. initial marketing would probably cover that and if he gets injured any worse, who knows.
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You're living in a dream world. OKC is maybe one of the most cap conscious teams in the league and they have to be in a small market with an ownership group that doesn't want to push deep into the luxury tax. Same goes for the Wolves and same goes for Memphis.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You're living in a dream world. OKC is maybe one of the most cap conscious teams in the league and they have to be in a small market with an ownership group that doesn't want to push deep into the luxury tax. Same goes for the Wolves and same goes for Memphis.
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OKC will have the money under the cap to offer Oden a large contract, and still have money left over. I guess I don't understand how OKC being "cap conscious" impacts the money available for Oden.
 
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