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He has us likely trading the pick because we'd probably rather have the cap space, but if not ...

Ty Lawson
Analysis: The Blazers are looking at trading this pick. But if they keep it, they can add a point guard who is battle-proven. Lawson's shooting ability and speed would come in handy in Portland.

Could you guys live with this?
 
if for example we get a vet starter like Kidd.. then yes I could live with it.. Lawson would be in Bayless' spot last year as 3rd string guy.
 
Ty's stock is dropping like a rock. From top-14 pick to 24 in one month...
 
I have lived with the Blazers having no good point guards on the team since Greg Anthony was here, so why wouldn't I be able to live with this decision? At least it gives a chance of some new blood coming through as compared to just reliving the same nigthmare over and over again like in groundhogs day.
 
Ty's stock is dropping like a rock. From top-14 pick to 24 in one month...

His combine performance reportedly didn't go all that well. Lots of North-South speed, but some questions about his lateral quickness and apparently he didn't show up in the best of shape, further adding to his reputation that he might not have the best practice habits.
 
Meh. He wouldn't play in the near term and he doesn't project to be anything particularly good in the longer term.

I'd rather add a higher-risk, higher-reward guy.

Ed O.
 
I have lived with the Blazers having no good point guards on the team since Greg Anthony was here, so why wouldn't I be able to live with this decision? At least it gives a chance of some new blood coming through as compared to just reliving the same nigthmare over and over again like in groundhogs day.

goodness.. I literally did not hear the name Greg Anthony about 5 years.. but within the last month I have heard it over 100 times just from you lol
 
goodness.. I literally did not hear the name Greg Anthony about 5 years.. but within the last month I have heard it over 100 times just from you lol

Well at a certain point, you get sick of seeing the same pattern over and over again. You know how many years in a row now it has "Well, maybe we will have a good PG next year." I am sick of that shit. It's like watching some dipshit repeat the same mistakes over and over again. At some point you get sick of it, and start railing your case. I am sick of it. I am sick of every year being a year of Portland being completely decimated by fast scoring PG with no answer from the Portland side of the court. I am sick of the Blazer PG being decimated by physical PG in the paint. I am sick of Portland's PG being a "good backup" in a best case scenario.
 
Well at a certain point, you get sick of seeing the same pattern over and over again. You know how many years in a row now it has "Well, maybe we will have a good PG next year." I am sick of that shit. It's like watching some dipshit repeat the same mistakes over and over again. At some point you get sick of it, and start railing your case. I am sick of it. I am sick of every year being a year of Portland being completely decimated by fast scoring PG with no answer from the Portland side of the court. I am sick of the Blazer PG being decimated by physical PG in the paint. I am sick of Portland's PG being a "good backup" in a best case scenario.



I couldn't agree more with you Hasoos.
 
Well at a certain point, you get sick of seeing the same pattern over and over again. You know how many years in a row now it has "Well, maybe we will have a good PG next year." I am sick of that shit. It's like watching some dipshit repeat the same mistakes over and over again. At some point you get sick of it, and start railing your case. I am sick of it. I am sick of every year being a year of Portland being completely decimated by fast scoring PG with no answer from the Portland side of the court. I am sick of the Blazer PG being decimated by physical PG in the paint. I am sick of Portland's PG being a "good backup" in a best case scenario.

Well clearly this team needs to draft another rookie and see if the mud sticks to the wall this time. :wink:
 
Well at a certain point, you get sick of seeing the same pattern over and over again. You know how many years in a row now it has "Well, maybe we will have a good PG next year." I am sick of that shit. It's like watching some dipshit repeat the same mistakes over and over again. At some point you get sick of it, and start railing your case. I am sick of it. I am sick of every year being a year of Portland being completely decimated by fast scoring PG with no answer from the Portland side of the court. I am sick of the Blazer PG being decimated by physical PG in the paint. I am sick of Portland's PG being a "good backup" in a best case scenario.
hasoos you make a good point about the fact that we haven't really had a good PG since Greg Anthony (and prior to that we had several -- great point guards during the NBA finals teams, Kenny Anderson, Rod Strickland, etc. Maybe this isn't really on point, but I kind of like Kopponen and Bayless's potential. I am hoping one or both of them is given an opportunity this year. I like what I saw in Summer League from both guys last year, although that isn't necessarily comparable to what they would produce in the regular season. Aside from Roy and to a certain extent Rudy and Oden, Nate doesn't seem that willing to give Rookies much PT. My point, I guess, is that a rookie PG doesn't seem to be a big need for this team. I like Rubio's potential and depending on what direction KP goes, I am not opposed to trading up to get him, assuming there is some roster changes to make room for him to entice him to come to the NBA, or maybe even drafting him and bringing him over a year later when Blake and Sergio are gone. This draft seems very weak at PG. Curry was a nice college player, but is he just the 2nd coming of Salim Stoudemire? Ty Lawson is another good college player, but I can't say that he is a better prospect than Bayless. Bottom line, unless there is a real star in this draft at PG, I don't see the point in drafting another young ballhandler unless our other young PGs (Bayless, Koponen) are on their way out via trade. Too many cooks running the kitchen and you burn the cake or... something like that. :cheers:
 
Hey Greg Anthony wasn't that bad!!!

Robert Pack anyone? Rod Strickland? Danny Young?!
 
I loved Greg Anthony on our squad! I remember him and the Jazz owner Miller getting into a shouting match during a game!
 
hasoos you make a good point about the fact that we haven't really had a good PG since Greg Anthony (and prior to that we had several -- great point guards during the NBA finals teams, Kenny Anderson, Rod Strickland, etc. Maybe this isn't really on point, but I kind of like Kopponen and Bayless's potential. I am hoping one or both of them is given an opportunity this year. I like what I saw in Summer League from both guys last year, although that isn't necessarily comparable to what they would produce in the regular season. Aside from Roy and to a certain extent Rudy and Oden, Nate doesn't seem that willing to give Rookies much PT. My point, I guess, is that a rookie PG doesn't seem to be a big need for this team. I like Rubio's potential and depending on what direction KP goes, I am not opposed to trading up to get him, assuming there is some roster changes to make room for him to entice him to come to the NBA, or maybe even drafting him and bringing him over a year later when Blake and Sergio are gone. This draft seems very weak at PG. Curry was a nice college player, but is he just the 2nd coming of Salim Stoudemire? Ty Lawson is another good college player, but I can't say that he is a better prospect than Bayless. Bottom line, unless there is a real star in this draft at PG, I don't see the point in drafting another young ballhandler unless our other young PGs (Bayless, Koponen) are on their way out via trade. Too many cooks running the kitchen and you burn the cake or... something like that. :cheers:

Bayless did get an opportunity and blew it.

Koppenen may come over for summer league, but he most likely would be the 3rd PG if he even makes the team.

Neither of them is going to be as good as Greg Anthony next year. They may not be as good as Greg Anthony ever.
 
I wouldn't want him. If we are going to get a PG I want a somewhat proven PG like Sessions who we at least know is goign to be fine in the NBA and potentially a star. If not i'd take a vet like Miller. But I'd rather have Bayless than almost anyone in the draft outside of Rubio, and a Miller/Bayless PG combo would be bomb.

Bayless did get an opportunity and blew it.

What? How? He has done pretty good so far for the hand that has been dealt. He was put in the summer league and won MVP. He came to Portland and in the games he played over 20minutes he was getting liek 11 and 3 which definitely isn't blowing it.

He didn't have the greatest season, but as he gets more time we will start to uncover who the real Bayless is. In my opinion we haven't even scrathed the surface.
 
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I have lived with the Blazers having no good point guards on the team since Greg Anthony was here, so why wouldn't I be able to live with this decision? At least it gives a chance of some new blood coming through as compared to just reliving the same nigthmare over and over again like in groundhogs day.

As much as I loved what Greg Anthony brought to the team off the bench, let's not go too overboard here. We're basically talking about a guy who averaged 6 PPG and 2 APG for his 3-year Blazer career. On a per-36 minute basis that comes out to about 12 pts and 4 ast. Not exactly the stuff of legend.

Yes, he did play some impressive defense for stretches - especially during the strike-shortened season, but he was basically a borderline starter/very good back-up (sound familiar). Nothing more, nothing less.

BNM
 
He has us likely trading the pick because we'd probably rather have the cap space, but if not ...
Chad Ford said:
Ty Lawson
Analysis: The Blazers are looking at trading this pick. But if they keep it, they can add a point guard who is battle-proven. Lawson's shooting ability and speed would come in handy in Portland.
Could you guys live with this?

I'd rather have Rodrigue Beaubois. Lawson could be good, but he strikes me as a poor man's Jameer Nelson, and I think Nelson looks a lot better on the Magic than he would anywhere else (and wasn't missed much). If we're drafting another backup PG, I want one that can defend (I too have happy memories of Greg Anthony's game-changing D) and Beubois has Batum-type arms, crazy speed and this year's second-best vertical.
 
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I'd rather have Rodrigue Beaubois. Lawson could be good, but he strikes me as a poor man's Jameer Nelson, and I think Nelson looks a lot better on the Magic than he would anywhere else (and wasn't missed much). If we're drafting another backup PG, I want one that can defend (I too have happy memories of Greg Anthony's game-changing D) and Beubois has Batum-type arms, crazy speed and this year's second-best vertical.

I agree, Beaubois would be more intriguing than Lawson. A poster here compared him to Barbosa offensively, in terms of upside, a comparison that seems correct to me. Plus I agree that he has the tools to be a really tough defender.
 
As much as I loved what Greg Anthony brought to the team off the bench, let's not go too overboard here. We're basically talking about a guy who averaged 6 PPG and 2 APG for his 3-year Blazer career. On a per-36 minute basis that comes out to about 12 pts and 4 ast. Not exactly the stuff of legend.

But when he came into a game, he totally changed the tenor: he was an absolute terror on defense, probably the best on-the-ball perimeter defender outside of Gary Payton.

Yes, he did play some impressive defense for stretches - especially during the strike-shortened season, but he was basically a borderline starter/very good back-up (sound familiar). Nothing more, nothing less.

That's selling him way short. Apart from anything else, when he came in, Stoudamire went out. Win/win!
 
I have you guys getting Lawson in my mock as well, should I be scared I agreed with Ford?
 
I have you guys getting Lawson in my mock as well, should I be scared I agreed with Ford?

Ford is a terrible talent evaluator, but his sources are usually pretty accurate, so his mocks tend to be pretty close.
 
Bayless did get an opportunity and blew it.

Koppenen may come over for summer league, but he most likely would be the 3rd PG if he even makes the team.

Neither of them is going to be as good as Greg Anthony next year. They may not be as good as Greg Anthony ever.


There is a difference between blowing it and only being effective in games in which you play a fair amount of minutes. Bayless did have problems when he only played a few minutes of a game because of the amount of time it took him to get up to game speed. The facts were, Nate was only going to play the guy behind Blake for spot minutes in the playoffs, and you can't have a guy taking 5 minutes to come up to speed in a playoff game. That is why Sergio got the minutes in the playoffs.

Blew it? Hardly.
 
Ford is a terrible talent evaluator, but his sources are usually pretty accurate, so his mocks tend to be pretty close.

The only thing that made go wtf was Hill falling to 10, but you are right, plus Lawson is tough to gauge.
 
Meh. He wouldn't play in the near term and he doesn't project to be anything particularly good in the longer term.

I'd rather add a higher-risk, higher-reward guy.

Ed O.

Perhaps a "project" big man like Lawal? We got almost nothing out of Frye last season, so I can see the Blazers deciding to spend that roster spot on a guy who *might* turn into something pretty good with a little patience.

Of course, you could also go the other way. If the team doesn't envision someone like Lawson as a future starter, why not grab a guy who is better suited to being a career back-up? Just to pull a name out of the air, how about Collison? Unselfish, passes better than Bayless, plays better "D" than Sergio or Blake, can hit an open shot. No star potential at all.....but has the maturity/mental approach to make a nice career for himself anyway.
 
Perhaps a "project" big man like Lawal? We got almost nothing out of Frye last season, so I can see the Blazers deciding to spend that roster spot on a guy who *might* turn into something pretty good with a little patience.

Of course, you could also go the other way. If the team doesn't envision someone like Lawson as a future starter, why not grab a guy who is better suited to being a career back-up? Just to pull a name out of the air, how about Collison? Unselfish, passes better than Bayless, plays better "D" than Sergio or Blake, can hit an open shot. No star potential at all.....but has the maturity/mental approach to make a nice career for himself anyway.

I'd probably take Collison over Lawson. His ceiling is probably a shade lower, but he's played in a very slow system under Howland for 4 years so I have little doubt that he'd be able to transition to Nate's half-court oriented grind-it-out style of offense. If we're drafting for emergency depth or a career backup you could sure do a lot worse than Collison.
 
But when he came into a game, he totally changed the tenor: he was an absolute terror on defense, probably the best on-the-ball perimeter defender outside of Gary Payton.

Perhaps during his 1st season with the Blazers (I loved the way he man-handled John Stockton in the playoffs that year), but the seasons after that, he had definitely lost a step or two. Part of that was injuries, but some of it was just age.

That's selling him way short. Apart from anything else, when he came in, Stoudamire went out. Win/win!

Like I said, I loved what he brough off the bench. But pretty much anyone would have looked good compared to Damon - especially on defense. Ironically, Damon's defense improved with age. He no doubt picked up some veteran tricks from Anthony in practice.

BNM
 
Someone blew it alright, when they were watching Anthony it appears.

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