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yeah, sorry, but I'm going to call bullshit on that one...no offense intended by the way

Evan Turner has said Olshey told him Portland would pivot to an offer for him if Parsons didn't sign. We heard the news Parsons signed with memphis, then about 3-4 hours later we heard of the agreement with Turner. If Portland actually pulled their offer that order would have been reversed IMO

and frankly, I've never heard that rumor and since I think Olshey is 110% snake oil, I'd be inclined to think if that rumor was really out there it was Olshey leaking it to put salve on his own chapped ass for being spurned, once again
Well, if we are just speculating I think it's completely stupid to put any stock into players that were offered contracts but didn't sign. It's entirely possible that certain offers or meetings are arranged to up the price for other teams as a favor to agents. Therefore, we have no clue what was actually offered and at what point.
 
Olshey didn't fuck up with the Parson's situation, he fucked up giving Batum a max deal for basically nothing in return but Gerald Henderson and Noah Vonleh...neither of whom are Blazers today....
 
Like I said NOBODY knows what his buyout might be. Only thing being reported is that Memphis will be negotiating with Parson's agent. It's not 20mil, it's 25.1 mil next season.
It doesnt matter. They wont stretch him.
 
Believe him or not...Olshey did say they weren't pursuing Parsons but did due diligence meeting with his agent and that Turner was his target all along....whatever his reasons for saying that, he did say it. Olshey said that we needed to address defensive weakness in the roster and add ball handling I believe as well...he got defenders and forgot bench scoring that season

again, I don't believe it for a second since just about every NBA source, including Woj, reported Portland had made the max offer to Parsons, and Parsons himself said it when he explained why he turner Portland down

and Portland met with both Parsons and his agent, not just the agent...furthermore, IIRC it wasn't just Olshey meeting Parsons and his agent; it was also Paul Allen and Dame. That sure doesn't sound like a 'take-the-temperature' meeting....sounds like a full court press. And again, Evan Turner said he was waiting on Chandler Parsons to decide

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/07/01/chandler-parsons-trail-blazers-max-contract-offer-grizzlies-rumors

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...d-trail-blazers-meet-memphis-grizzlies-friday

https://247sports.com/nba/los-angel...4-year-max-deal-to-Chandler-Parsons-46057458/
 
again, I don't believe it for a second since just about every NBA source, including Woj, reported Portland had made the max offer to Parsons, and Parsons himself said it when he explained why he turner Portland down

and Portland met with both Parsons and his agent, not just the agent...furthermore, IIRC it wasn't just Olshey meeting Parsons and his agent; it was also Paul Allen and Dame. That sure doesn't sound like a 'take-the-temperature' meeting....sounds like a full court press. And again, Evan Turner said he was waiting on Chandler Parsons to decide

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/07/01/chandler-parsons-trail-blazers-max-contract-offer-grizzlies-rumors

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...d-trail-blazers-meet-memphis-grizzlies-friday

https://247sports.com/nba/los-angel...4-year-max-deal-to-Chandler-Parsons-46057458/
fair enough...I read the links you provided...not sure if they are more than editorial rumors but you may be right...I don't read SI or ESPN very often...get my Blazer news from trailblazers.com almost exclusively. Works for me. I'd avoid Laker site rumors though myself.
 
I just said, no shit that Memphis wouldn't do it. Now you are asking me why Memphis would do it? LOL

If I had to come up with reasons...

1) They could feel that Turner and Leonard could help them more than a player who isn't even going to be with the team.

2) They could feel like next year two smaller contracts would be easier to trade next off season than a washed up player on a bigger contract.

3) They could think Swanigan is the next Z-Bo and train him in Z-Bo's old role next to Gasol.

you simply said no shit with no further emphasis as to what you were referencing. Sorry I can't read your mind. As for your 1,2 and 3, ain't buying it.
 
No way. If he'd signed with Portland, he never would have gotten injured. :)
In all seriousness though, this is why I don't like to go down these roads with players that didn't sign...

We wouldn't have had money for Turner or Ezeli.

It's possible we don't offer as big of contracts or contracts at all to Harkless and Leonard.

We might not have matched on Crabbe.

With Parsons being worthless things could've gone much worse and we could have ended up with higher lottery picks or players like Layman could have been forced into bigger roles and be more developed by now.

Olshey/Stotts could've been fired.

There are just way too many rabbit holes when stuff like this is brought up.
 
Olshey didn't fuck up with the Parson's situation, he fucked up giving Batum a max deal for basically nothing in return but Gerald Henderson and Noah Vonleh...neither of whom are Blazers today....

He never gave Batum a max deal. He matched Minnies offer and then traded him a year before his contract was coming up and Charlotte gave him a ridiculous contract that he is still on.
 
What blows my mind is that somehow the choices were chandler parsons and evan turner... How bad was that...

Parsons at least theoretically fits the offense Stotts wants to run. Turner never made sense.
 
We were so hyped up about that summer and the big free agents we were going to sign for so long, lol.
Just imagined if we decided to take on an expiring contract to save another team money (I don't remember a specific case, but it happens almost every summer, think last summer with Faried to BKN from DEN).

Not only could we have gotten pick(s) as compensation, but we could've rolled that cap-space over to the next summer by not resigning Meyers, Crabbe, or Turner, and instead, had those expiring contracts and guys on one year deals that we signed (I bet Turner would've taken $18M for a year...) Would've been just as good and had cap space the next year after everyone blew their money on guys like Mozgov, Mahinmi, Deng, Biyombo, etc.

Rinse and repeat if we couldn't sign someone who's actually good!!!.
 
The apostrophe shows possession. What does Parsons have?
 
He never gave Batum a max deal. He matched Minnies offer and then traded him a year before his contract was coming up and Charlotte gave him a ridiculous contract that he is still on.
I should have said overpaid Batum...I realize max deals are more than we paid him when we matched Minnie which in retrospect was a huge mistake. If Henderson or Vonleh were rotation players for us it wouldn't be so bad but they didn't stick
 
I should have said overpaid Batum...I realize max deals are more than we paid him when we matched Minnie which in retrospect was a huge mistake. If Henderson or Vonleh were rotation players for us it wouldn't be so bad but they didn't stick
huh? Batum's 4yr, 46 mil contract with us was very commensurate of his production here. That wasn't the mistake. Trading him for what turned out to be nothing was.

He's certainly not worth the 5 yr, 120 mil deal that CHA gave him however.
 
Parsons at least theoretically fits the offense Stotts wants to run. Turner never made sense.
With Turner we went from a bad defensive team to a pretty good one...when we signed Turner it was for ball handling and defense...not scoring...when we share the ball as a team Turner fits fine...when we go ISO he doesn't.
 
I was a fan of Nico but he showed up about one game out of 5 so I think we overpaid him when we matched...good Nico was definitely worth it.
That's just flat out not true. Maybe rookie year Nic, but not the one who got that contract. Until his last season with us, he was damn good. He contributed massively to that season we won 54 games.
 
I don't know what other deals were on the table for Nico, but at this point I would take nothing over having his horrible contract on our books. That's why I was never against trading him in the first place.
 
Believe him or not...Olshey did say they weren't pursuing Parsons but did due diligence meeting with his agent and that Turner was his target all along....whatever his reasons for saying that, he did say it. Olshey said that we needed to address defensive weakness in the roster and add ball handling I believe as well...he got defenders and forgot bench scoring that season
Link? :)
 
With Turner we went from a bad defensive team to a pretty good one...when we signed Turner it was for ball handling and defense...not scoring...when we share the ball as a team Turner fits fine...when we go ISO he doesn't.

c'mon man.....Turner doesn't do shit for Portland's defense

* in 2015-16, when it was a combination of Aminu, Harkless, and Gerald Henderson at SF, Portland was 20th in the NBA in defensive rating at 108.0. That's also when Ed Davis was healthy and effective all year

* in 2016-17, when Aminu moved full-time to PF (but missed 21 games), it was Harkless and Turner at SF. Portland was 24th in defensive rating at 110.8. Not only did Aminu miss 21 games, Ed Davis was rarely healthy that year.

* the next season, 2017-18, was when Portland made the big jump in defense finishing 8th at 106.4. That was due mostly to Nurkic but once again, Ed Davis was healthy

now, this season, Portland has fallen back down to 15th at 110.0. But Meyers is taking most of the minutes Ed Davis gets and that's almost certainly a big reason Portland's defense has suffered. Another is that Napier and Connaughton were better defenders then are Curry & Stauskas. And another reason is that Harkless was MIA to start the season and instead, Turner and Layman were taking his minutes

this isn't all to say Turner is a bad defender. But it is a stretch to call him a good defender. As a SF, he ranks 62nd out of 84 in DRPM. Among 473 NBA players tracked Turner ranks 347th; the median is 236. Turner is an above average defender on the Portland roster. Among NBA players, not so much, and it's pretty clear he struggles guarding quickness
 

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