Charania: Several NBA teams monitoring the future of Damian Lillard

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blazerkor said:
I think the Lakers could get Dame and it wouldn't even be that hard. They would just have to give us AD. Let CJ do what he does when Dame is out, re-sign Norm and roll with it as a contender.

For the record if I were the GM, there would be no player (even AD or Giannis) that I would trade for Dame because I'm emotionally attached to him but that would also make me a bad GM.
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AD would probably refuse to play here
 
What if other NBA teams refuse to do trades with Portland, to force out Lillard.
 
HolyBackboard said:
If Dame wants out, then respect his wish and trade him.

He's my favorite player, but his value has never been higher and I'm skeptical we have the assets to build a contender around him. The team wasted too many assets in the past and now time's running out.

As much as it may hurt now, it may be best to trade Dame for a monster haul and re-build through the draft.
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I 100% agree, I think he is going to 100% want out as he should we wasted too many years with Stotts and the cj lillard backcourt experiment. I was shocked Stotts wasn't fired after the New Orlens sweep we had a few years ago. I love Damian he is my favorite player by far but he is wasting his talent and prime here. I think we should trade Dame for huge return of picks, fire Neil and rebuild as tough as it may be this team is just going to continue making it to the first round and out just losing out on draft picks for no reason. I would rather build for a chance of winning a championship that just making the playoffs.
 
I love Damian but it's hard for me to find a world where he wants to stay here. He needs an actual start player to help him and we don't have it, we all know at his point the CJ Lillard combo is not good enough.
 
FlashWad said:
I 100% agree, I think he is going to 100% want out as he should we wasted too many years with Stotts and the cj lillard backcourt experiment. I was shocked Stotts wasn't fired after the New Orlens sweep we had a few years ago. I love Damian he is my favorite player by far but he is wasting his talent and prime here. I think we should trade Dame for huge return of picks, fire Neil and rebuild as tough as it may be this team is just going to continue making it to the first round and out just losing out on draft picks for no reason. I would rather build for a chance of winning a championship that just making the playoffs.
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I'm sorry, but I think that makes little sense

Portland's best chance of winning a championship is to add a 2nd elite player to pair with Dame. It's not to trade Dame for a collection of so-so draft picks, give CJ 30 shots a game, and hope Portland finds a player as good as Dame in the draft, and also hope he becomes as good instantly. Never going to work

Portland has had opportunities over the last 5 seasons to do just that, but they have been poorly served by the GM's ego. Because Olshey was such a shithead GM people are now talking about trading the best player the Blazers have ever had and giving the same fucking GM who wasted Dame's best years a chance to fuck up a rebuild

it's fucking lunacy

I'm starting to blame Seattle as much as I do Olshey because it should be obvious to Seattle what needs to happen...and for damn sure that's not to trade Dame away
 
Chris Craig said:
Except Klay Thompson wouldn't be there. All of the pictures showing Dame with the stars other teams aren't realistic, because even if we did trade Dame to these teams, some of other stars would have to come back in the trade and wouldn't be there.
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Maybe we get Jordan Poole. He was pretty good after being called up from Santa Cruz!
 
Trade cj too, that's how I interpret a rebuild. I can't see how portland lands an elite player either by free agency or by trading cj.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm sorry, but I think that makes little sense

Portland's best chance of winning a championship is to add a 2nd elite player to pair with Dame. It's not to trade Dame for a collection of so-so draft picks, give CJ 30 shots a game, and hope Portland finds a player as good as Dame in the draft, and also hope he becomes as good instantly. Never going to work

Portland has had opportunities over the last 5 seasons to do just that, but they have been poorly served by the GM's ego. Because Olshey was such a shithead GM people are now talking about trading the best player the Blazers have ever had and giving the same fucking GM who wasted Dame's best years a chance to fuck up a rebuild

it's fucking lunacy

I'm starting to blame Seattle as much as I do Olshey because it should be obvious to Seattle what needs to happen...and for damn sure that's not to trade Dame away
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I just think Damian wants to leave I don't think we will have much of a choice I would rather trade him when his value is at its highest rather than wait for him to request it where teams know our leverage isnt as good. For the record I think we should fire Neil also, CJ was never good enough or a good fit for our second option as we have clearly seen.
 
Cugel said:
Trade cj too, that's how I interpret a rebuild. I can't see how portland lands an elite player either by free agency or by trading cj.
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CJ should be gone but I think his value is pretty low, we won't be getting much back in return.
 
Chris Craig said:
What if other NBA teams refuse to do trades with Portland, to force out Lillard.
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Wouldn't happen.

First, he only can play on one team. If you're another team, do you want to force him to move from a tough situation to win to somewhere like the Clippers? I mean, these teams aren't all going to band together against Portland to get Lillard to play in an even better situation which isn't them.

Second, these teams are motivated more by helping themselves. If they can trade with Portland to make themselves better, they'll do it.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm sorry, but I think that makes little sense

Portland's best chance of winning a championship is to add a 2nd elite player to pair with Dame. It's not to trade Dame for a collection of so-so draft picks, give CJ 30 shots a game, and hope Portland finds a player as good as Dame in the draft, and also hope he becomes as good instantly. Never going to work

Portland has had opportunities over the last 5 seasons to do just that, but they have been poorly served by the GM's ego. Because Olshey was such a shithead GM people are now talking about trading the best player the Blazers have ever had and giving the same fucking GM who wasted Dame's best years a chance to fuck up a rebuild

it's fucking lunacy

I'm starting to blame Seattle as much as I do Olshey because it should be obvious to Seattle what needs to happen...and for damn sure that's not to trade Dame away
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Conspiracy time: I think Neil Olshey is Bert Kolde's puppet. The guy was a one time actor and is just playing the part while Seattle pulls the strings. I am getting that sinking feeling that "Portland" is not part of the franchise anymore. :smiley-195517897341
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm sorry, but I think that makes little sense

Portland's best chance of winning a championship is to add a 2nd elite player to pair with Dame.
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Which is another way of saying "Portland has no chance of winning a championship".

Realistically, a small franchise like Portland, whose biggest EVER free agent signing was Brian Grant, can only acquire talent through trades or free agency.

TRADE: What do we have to trade? Suppose a miracle happens and we get a Kawhi-to-Toronto type scenario, we would have to give up at a minimum CJ and Nurk, and then you'd have a skeleton crew around your two players.
DRAFT: It's too late for that, for Dame.

So....
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Which is another way of saying "Portland has no chance of winning a championship".

Realistically, a small franchise like Portland, whose biggest EVER free agent signing was Brian Grant, can only acquire talent through trades or free agency.

TRADE: What do we have to trade? Suppose a miracle happens and we get a Kawhi-to-Toronto type scenario, we would have to give up at a minimum CJ and Nurk, and then you'd have a skeleton crew around your two players.
DRAFT: It's too late for that, for Dame.

So....
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LOL...yeah right. Harden just got traded for 3 firsts and two 1st round swaps. And every one of those picks could easily be in the twenties

any team trading for Dame is trading to try and win a championship. Lottery teams won't trade for Dame. And if any team close to the lottery makes the trade, their draft picks will automatically drop down to the twenties

if it's not clear, I think your logic about the draft pick haul Portland could get for Dame kind of sucks ass. Furthermore, the current GM is NOT the guy you want making 1st round picks...he fucks those up way too often

so then, however remote the chances of building a contender with dame, they are better than building a contender after trading Dame....and the current fucking GM is not capable of building a contender in either case. So that's the first change that needs to be made
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL...yeah right. Harden just got traded for 3 firsts and two 1st round swaps. And every one of those picks could easily be in the twenties
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That's because the owner is an idiot AND hates Morey, who was offering a package that would be fair for Lillard, and will probably be offered for him sooner rather than later.
 
wizenheimer said:
so then, however remote the chances of building a contender with dame, they are better than building a contender after trading Dame....and the current fucking GM is not capable of building a contender in either case. So that's the first change that needs to be made
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No, they're the same. 0 = 0. Agreed about Olshey - what are we going to do about it? Have you got Jody's phone number?
 
Keep CJ if we trade Dame, at least until he's had at least half a season to pump up his value. He can average high 20s if he's given nothing but the green light and played high 30s mpg.
 
FlashWad said:
I just think Damian wants to leave I don't think we will have much of a choice I would rather trade him when his value is at its highest rather than wait for him to request it where teams know our leverage isnt as good. For the record I think we should fire Neil also, CJ was never good enough or a good fit for our second option as we have clearly seen.
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Damian really doesn’t have much leverage in a trade demand at this point anyway.

He is under contract 4? more years.
 
I want to ask....and I'm not doing it as a gotcha question

Are there any examples of a small-market team trading their only star, their franchise player, for lesser player(s) and a collection of lower picks and ending up better than they were prior to the trade over the next 5 seasons?...7 seasons?

I'm trying to remember; it didn't with Melo or Deron Williams or Chris Bosh or KG or Westbrook or PG13 or Kawhi or Jimmy Butler. Who am I forgetting?
 
wizenheimer said:
I want to ask....and I'm not doing it as a gotcha question

Are there any examples of a small-market team trading their only star, their franchise player, for lesser player(s) and a collection of lower picks and ending up better than they were prior to the trade over the next 5 seasons?...7 seasons?

I'm trying to remember; it didn't with Melo or Deron Williams or Chris Bosh or KG or Westbrook or PG13 or Kawhi or Jimmy Butler. Who am I forgetting?
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PAUL GEORGE!
 
JoshuaHall said:
Damian really doesn’t have much leverage in a trade demand at this point anyway.

He is under contract 4? more years.
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that doesnt seem to matter, if he requests a trade im sure we will accomodate him
 
Analyzing the landscape I have come to the conclusion that there are only two options:

Plan A) Keep Dame
Plan B) Trade Dame for Bam Adebayo+

Offense for a game changing defender - a legitimate anchor that will win multiple defensive player of the year awards.

Miami is hoping to pair Dame with Jimmy.
 
I think the only team that has the assets to try for dame is the nicks. They have the picks and some young talent. Not really superstar caliber but good young players. But I don't think they would be a contender if they landed just dame. However, free agents love msg...
 
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