Notice Charles Krauthammer RIP.

[MarAzul]

This was a man of perspective. I enjoyed his work, I shall miss him.
A man that was disappointed in Trump becoming President. But then, courteous and respectful when he did.

 

[Lanny]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Krauthammer

Krauthammer once described Conservative columnist, David Brooks, as a Moderate.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

RIP

 

[Further]

Well one less person pushing for more war.

 

[jlprk]

Advocated torture. Used to work in a psychiatric hospital. I can only imagine his experiments.

 

[MarAzul]

This was a man of perspective. I enjoyed his work, I shall miss him.
A man that was disappointed in Trump becoming President. But then, courteous and respectful when he did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Krauthammer

Krauthammer once described Conservative columnist, David Brooks, as a Moderate.

I am curious here. Does hate require a thread started by a hater?
Danged if I know.

 

[Chris Craig]

RIP

 

[jlprk]

The guy was a Dem turned R when he came to know Ronald Reagan.

Like Reagan, he was never really a Democrat and had no conversion. He was a hard-right infiltrator who got a speechwriting job for a Democrat based upon his Ivy League degree. After he got that onto his resume, he could move on to do the same for Republicans.

 

[Lanny]

Advocated torture. Used to work in a psychiatric hospital. I can only imagine his experiments.

He wrote a book on psychiatry.

He did not like Trump, so that should ease your mind some.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Like Reagan, he was never really a Democrat and had no conversion. He was a hard-right infiltrator who got a speechwriting job for a Democrat based upon his Ivy League degree. After he got that onto his resume, he could move on to do the same for Republicans.

Reading his book there were comments that he disliked the extreme left and the extreme right. At the time he became involved, he was considered more of a centerest, as were most Dems at the time. By todays standards obviously, he fits into the right.

Here is an article you may enjoy https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...e-conservative-movement-with-their-conversion

In his book he talks about this more in depth.

 

[jlprk]

He wrote a book on psychiatry. He did not like Trump, so that should ease your mind some.

Huh? I first noticed him when he advocated torture, so he loved Bush. Newsweek used to devote its last page to a right-wing writer. Before him, it was Meg somebody. Or should I say nobody.

 

[jlprk]

he was considered more of a centerest

Maybe in economics, but he was a control freak demon about torture.

 

[Further]

I usually make a point of ignoring your "me too" mindless tripe, but this statement is complete bull shit. The guy was a Dem turned R when he came to know Ronald Reagan. Remained a fiscal conservative while being more of an independent on social issues. Read his book before you spout off your hateful bile , intended to rally on you mindless minions.

He was a huge proponent of the second gulf war and enhanced interrogation.

 

[Further]

He was not evil, it’s sad for his family that he died, but his views were antithetical to mine and I believe his neoconservative views were harmful to the nation.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

He was a huge proponent of the second gulf war and enhanced interrogation.

As were almost everyone in congress and the ensconced political machine in Washington at the time. Most of what Bush was blamed for was due to poor intelligence. As for advance interrogation, once again, most were in favor of it to get the info on the bad guys at the time. Do a little research and you will see he by no means pulling the cart.

 

[barfo]

As for advance interrogation, once again, most were in favor of it to get the info on the bad guys at the time. Do a little research and you will see he by no means pulling the cart.

He may have been behind the cart scooping up the horseshit, but he was definitely in the parade.

barfo

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Most were in favor of the war, I don’t think most were in favor of torture.

And I was against both at the time, marched, wrote letters, and tried to do what I could as a teenager . So stuff your condescending attitude up your ass.

And once again, I call bull shit. Check it out. The use of waterboarding did not become a big deal until 2012 https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/...ng-by-cia-human-rights-watch-report-says.html

This started the hard core turn around. During the 90s and 2000s, there was only minor resistance toward the practice, although most in the know found it to be effective, regardless of how the left wing reported it in the mid teens.

So, how does that go?? Stuff your condescending attitude....naw, just sick of you talking out you ass, under the cover of mindless masses.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

He may have been behind the cart scooping up the horseshit, but he was definitely in the parade.

barfo

agree, but that is like saying that in the 60s so and so smoked pot...jeesh, not like he was the only guy in the parade lol

 

[jlprk]

As were almost everyone in congress and the ensconced political machine in Washington at the time.

But not the people. Polls showed the vast majority against an Iraq war at first. Bush spent over a year of propaganda between Sept. 11 and the Iraq invasion. Even then, polls showed a bare majority against.

Most of what Bush was blamed for was due to poor intelligence. As for advance interrogation, once again, most were in favor of it to get the info on the bad guys at the time.

Cheney reassigned CIA honchos who wouldn't change intelligence. Fake Israeli reports supplied the rest. It's all been reported many times. Bush knew he was lying as he said the lies, not later. As for torture, no, most Americans weren't in favor. Go out on the street anywhere, even the South, and take your own polls to confirm this.

He may have been behind the cart scooping up the horseshit, but he was definitely in the parade.

No. Among the media, he was the donkey pulling an empty cart. No one joined.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

But not the people. Polls showed the vast majority against an Iraq war at first. Bush spent over a year of propaganda between Sept. 11 and the Iraq invasion. Even then, polls showed a bare majority against.



Cheney reassigned CIA honchos who wouldn't change intelligence. Fake Israeli reports supplied the rest. It's all been reported many times. Bush knew he was lying as he said the lies, not later. As for torture, no, most Americans weren't in favor. Go out on the street anywhere, even the South, and take your own polls to confirm this.



No. Among the media, he was the donkey pulling an empty cart.

Much respect, you counter every statement. We do not invalidate each other, rather look st same situation from a different perspective. This is positive discourse.

 

[jlprk]

And once again, I call bull shit. Check it out. The use of waterboarding did not become a big deal until 2012 https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/...ng-by-cia-human-rights-watch-report-says.html

Were you a newsreading adult by 2001? Because you're using sources like 2012. Waterboarding was often in the media long before that. This is like when someone uses stats to tell me that Bill Walton wasn't great.

 

[jlprk]

Much respect, you counter every statement. We do not invalidate each other, rather look st same situation from a different perspective. This is positive discourse.

I have a long list of links to mainstream media articles about torture (sometimes softened to discuss only waterboarding) beginning soon after 2001. I haven't checked for a few years, but many probably got deleted by intelligence agencies. That's a problem with the internet taking over the news.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Were you a newsreading adult by 2001? Because you're using sources like 2012. Waterboarding was often in the media long before that. This is like when someone uses stats to tell me that Bill Walton wasn't great.

Yeah, by 2001 I was a 20 some years from military service. Haha, sure there was a disgruntled sector in the population, but the political will did not come to full boil till the early teens.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I have a long list of links to mainstream media articles about torture (sometimes softened to discuss only waterboarding) beginning soon after 2001. I haven't checked for a few years, but many probably got deleted by intelligence agencies. That's a problem with the internet taking over the news.

Oh, yeah..I do remember opb and some of the fringe were way ahead of this for a long time. And i do agree, a lot of resources seem to be very difficult to access now as compared to a decade ago.

 

[MarAzul]

Waterboarding was often in the media long before that

What is this inordinate fear of waterboarding? My goodness, I find it uncomfortable but hardly torture.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

What is this inordinate fear of waterboarding? My goodness, I find it uncomfortable but hardly torture.

US did this to their own troops as a survival training...I think it is still done to SEALs and other Special forces. Non lethal and very effective.

 

[Further]

So, how does that go?? Stuff your condescending attitude....naw, just sick of you talking out you ass, under the cover of mindless masses.

You can go ahead and put me back on ignore. But you won't. You can't.

 

[MarAzul]

US did this to their own troops as a survival training...I think it is still done to SEALs and other Special forces. Non lethal and very effective.

It is training to control and avoid panic.

 

[Further]

Like I said,....

That's what I thought, you just can't quit me.

.

 

[jlprk]

What is this inordinate fear of waterboarding? My goodness, I find it uncomfortable but hardly torture.

Pro-torturers divert the issue to waterboarding, a small subset of torture. But since you're unafraid of it, how about volunteering like some media pontificators did (and then backed out). For example

https://thinkprogress.org/when-will...-to-be-waterboarded-for-charity-283df6447ad8/

Also, read the bottom, about search engines and Facebook not connecting to liberal newssites, to drive them out of business.