Chicago Tribune: O'Neal wants to be a Knick

[CelticBalla32]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 11 2007, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You want me to start looking for your posts? You're more delusional than me. And I want the Pacers to blow up, but I want it to be a blow up that will work.</div>
LL33 isn't delusional, you are, especially if you TRULY believe in that head of yours that Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy have trade value. You have got to be kidding me.

 

[Pacers fan forever]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 11 2007, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LL33 isn't delusional, you are, especially if you TRULY believe in that head of yours that Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy have trade value. You have got to be kidding me.</div>I don't want to trade them. I want to rebuild with them on the team. Pay attention.

 

[Living_Legend33]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 11 2007, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't want to trade them. I want to rebuild with them on the team. Pay attention.</div>You're not exactly helping your case with a statement like that. Now you seem even more delusional, which I didn't think was possible. I stand corrected. Also, I fully encourage you to look through my posts and explain just how crazy I apparently am.

 

[Pacers fan forever]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ May 11 2007, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You're not exactly helping your case with a statement like that. Now you seem even more delusional, which I didn't think was possible. I stand corrected. Also, I fully encourage you to look through my posts and explain just how crazy I apparently am.</div>I don't care about your posts. I'm only focused on how the Pacers could get better, an area which you have no expertise on.

 

[Living_Legend33]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 11 2007, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't care about your posts. I'm only focused on how the Pacers could get better, an area which you have no expertise on.</div>And apparently neither do you. Please tell me how the Pacers will improve with two (at best) mediocre players making over $17 million a season for the next 4 years. That's a third of your cap tied up in two role players. Your backcourt is horrible, your frontcourt is overcrowded, and your franchise player wants out. The Pacers are in one of the worst situations in the NBA.

 

[Pacers fan forever]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ May 11 2007, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And apparently neither do you. Please tell me how the Pacers will improve with two (at best) mediocre players making over $17 million a season for the next 4 years. That's a third of your cap tied up in two role players. Your backcourt is horrible, your frontcourt is overcrowded, and your franchise player wants out. The Pacers are in one of the worst situations in the NBA.</div>I refuse to believe that. the pacers are way better off than your team. the pacers can easily trade JO for a high pick and some good players and I'm sure Jamaal has some trade value and also the Pacers have a great frontcourt that's not overcrowded, three future faces of the franchise (Diogu, Shawne Williams, and Granger). Plus the Pacers will be getting a new coach who can hold his players accountable. The Pacers can make a title contender, I'm sure of it. Look at teams in good posistions, they haven't done anything for a while, look at teams in bad posistions, they've done stuff. The Pacers can definetley resurge.

 

[Living_Legend33]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 11 2007, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I refuse to believe that. the pacers are way better off than your team. the pacers can easily trade JO for a high pick and some good players and I'm sure Jamaal has some trade value and also the Pacers have a great frontcourt that's not overcrowded, three future faces of the franchise (Diogu, Shawne Williams, and Granger). Plus the Pacers will be getting a new coach who can hold his players accountable. The Pacers can make a title contender, I'm sure of it. Look at teams in good posistions, they haven't done anything for a while, look at teams in bad posistions, they've done stuff. The Pacers can definetley resurge.</div>The Celtics have Paul Pierce and Al Jefferson, two all-star level players, and a guaranteed top 5 pick. Jermain O'Neal is the Pacers only all-star level player, and he wants out. How is that a better situation? Sure you could trade O'Neal for cap space and a high pick, but who are you going to replace him with? Corey Brewer? Roy Hibbert? Joakim Noah? Yeah, that'll make your team a title contender. :no1: The bold part of the quote is just sad. Those guys are nice players, but they can't carry a team. But you go on believing a coach to be named later can ride Diogu, Williams, Granger, Dunleavy, Murphy, and whatever you get for your best player all the way to the finals. Good luck with that.

 

[Pacers fan forever]

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Ike, Granger, and Williams are potential all star players. I know that. Just watch, the Pacers will be a lot better next year.

 

[iFR3SHi]

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I would send over Curry and Francis and prob maybe Collins. If we send those 3 our lineup will be nasty. But I doubt Indy would take that because of Eddy's work ethic, shape, and contract. Francis is always injured and is inconsistent but will bring points, Collins has a big upside and would benefit in Indy.

 

[WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE]

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Pacers Fan Forever, I give you credit for trying to defend you statements but honestly...what the hell are you talking about?

 

[CelticBalla32]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ May 12 2007, 12:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Pacers Fan Forever, I give you credit for trying to defend you statements but honestly...what the hell are you talking about?</div>
He's talking about Ike Diogu and Shawne Williams becoming faces of the franchise, then he goes on to say that they are in better position for the future than the Celtics. :HAHAHA:

 

[Pacers fan forever]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ May 12 2007, 08:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's talking about Ike Diogu and Shawne Williams becoming faces of the franchise, then he goes on to say that they are in better position for the future than the Celtics. :HAHAHA:</div>they are. wtf is danny ainge doing in office still? and who's that caveman coach?

 

[WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>they are. wtf is danny ainge doing in office still? and who's that caveman coach?</div>The Celtics have young players who are developing. Al Jefferson is emerging into a superstar, we're not praying to god that Shawne Freaking Williams/Ike Diagu will save the team. Based on your statements above I doubt you even know anything about what Danny ainge has done in Boston.

 

[Pacers fan forever]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ May 12 2007, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Celtics have young players who are developing. Al Jefferson is emerging into a superstar, we're not praying to god that Shawne Freaking Williams/Ike Diagu will save the team. Based on your statements above I doubt you even know anything about what Danny ainge has done in Boston.</div>ike and williams and granger have as much potential as any of your guys

 

[Living_Legend33]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 12 2007, 12:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ike and williams and granger have as much potential as any of your guys</div>As far as potential goes, Gerald Green has much more than both of them put together. If he ever learns how to play within a team he could easily be an annual all-star. He has all the tools but just needs to put it together. Also, I'm pretty sure that Greg Oden or Kevin Durant will have more potential than ike, shawnee williams, and danny granger as well. As far as actually delivering on potential, Al Jefferson is light years ahead of both of them. He averaged a double double this past season. Out of the guys you listed, Granger is the only one actually making any serious contributions, and he's not as good as Al Jefferson. The Celtics may have at best a mediocre front office and coach, but they have a legit franchise player that's locked up and wants to be there, a blooming all-star big man, a top pick in this stacked draft, the HUGE expiring contract of Theo Ratliff as trade bait, and a cast of young supporting players that will just continue to improve.But the Pacers still have Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy to carry them to the finals. So yeah, you win.

 

[Pacers fan forever]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Living_Legend33 @ May 12 2007, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as potential goes, Gerald Green has much more than both of them put together. If he ever learns how to play within a team he could easily be an annual all-star. He has all the tools but just needs to put it together. Also, I'm pretty sure that Greg Oden or Kevin Durant will have more potential than ike, shawnee williams, and danny granger as well. As far as actually delivering on potential, Al Jefferson is light years ahead of both of them. He averaged a double double this past season. Out of the guys you listed, Granger is the only one actually making any serious contributions, and he's not as good as Al Jefferson. The Celtics may have at best a mediocre front office and coach, but they have a legit franchise player that's locked up and wants to be there, a blooming all-star big man, a top pick in this stacked draft, the HUGE expiring contract of Theo Ratliff as trade bait, and a cast of young supporting players that will just continue to improve.But the Pacers still have Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy to carry them to the finals. So yeah, you win.</div>ike and williams and granger haven't had enough oppurtunities to show themselves because the Pacers have not sucked every year. The Celtics have. When they finally get their oppurtunity, watch out.

 

[Living_Legend33]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 12 2007, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ike and williams and granger haven't had enough oppurtunities to show themselves because the Pacers have not sucked every year. The Celtics have. When they finally get their oppurtunity, watch out.</div>Yes, having your franchise player miss almost the entire season will tend to create a bad team. Having three of your top 4 players miss over half the year will make for an unbelievably bad team. Not that the Celtics would've been great this year, but they could've snuck into the playoffs at 6-8 if they were healthy for the whole year. Luckily for us it was the right year to suck. Meanwhile we have the Pacers, who despite being much more talented then over half the teams in the East, and having a proven coach capable of winning, managed to underachieve and create a public image so bad the team had to be blown up. Now you have a bad cap situation because you traded for two mediocre players with huge contracts and your franchise player wants out. The Celtics may have had a rough past 3 seasons, but the Pacers are about to enter the NBA basement for at least several years. So Diogu, Williams, and Granger haven't had an opportunity to prove themselves, but will help carry the team to the finals next season? I must say, if that happens you're one hell of a scout and should be hired immediately.By the way, I'm not the only person who thinks Indiana is screwed: http://www.nbadraft.net/2007stateofthecapindiana001.asp

 

[Pacers fan forever]

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The Pacers were just as injured, and just as plagued with problems but they finished with a better record

 

[Living_Legend33]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Pacers fan forever @ May 12 2007, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Pacers were just as injured, and just as plagued with problems but they finished with a better record</div>Let's look at how both teams did after Indiana made that horrible trade and debuted their new team on January 20th:The Celtics finished the regular season 12-32 The Pacers finished 15-28During this time the Celtics were PURPOSELY losing games to get a better draft pick while Indiana was in the playoff race. Before the trade the Pacers were a better team, but certainly not now. They may not even have a first round pick to work with this off-season.

 

[WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE]

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The Pacers are in NBA hell. They have a superstar who is almost at the verge of asking for a trade, some young talent but nothing really outstanding, a few overplayed underachieveing players, some old vets who make a lot of $$, and a middle of the pack draft pick. That last part is huge too. Not to mention, they don't even have a coach right now and whoever is the next coach has a mess to deal with when he comes in. PFF, you need to more research if you think Shawne Williams, Ike Diagu, Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy, and Jamaal Tinsely will bring the Pacers success in the future.

 

[Pacers fan forever]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE @ May 13 2007, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Pacers are in NBA hell. They have a superstar who is almost at the verge of asking for a trade, some young talent but nothing really outstanding, a few overplayed underachieveing players, some old vets who make a lot of $$, and a middle of the pack draft pick. That last part is huge too. Not to mention, they don't even have a coach right now and whoever is the next coach has a mess to deal with when he comes in. PFF, you need to more research if you think Shawne Williams, Ike Diagu, Mike Dunleavy, Troy Murphy, and Jamaal Tinsely will bring the Pacers success in the future.</div>I never said anything about Jamaal. I want to f*cking get rid of him. But Ike, Dunleavy, Granger, Williams, and Murphy are as good of a core as anything.

 

[WELCOMEtotheJUNGLE]

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I never said anything about Jamaal</div>Well I remember you saying<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Jamaal Tinsley is the pg and pgs can make and break a team. and jamaal breaks the team.</div>So if you want to get rid of the supposed make/break player of your team I think you may have some philosophy issues to deal with.Reguardless, Tinsley doesn't make or break the team, he possibly he could if he could stay healthy and play at a level he could play at without getting in off court bar fights.