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Green's a better option than Aldridge in a S&T for Toronto? I disagree.

I can see Bosh maybe choosing to go there, though, over here. But maybe presti is viewing his team building differently. And, maybe their ownership isn't as willing to pay that high of a price. Bosh and Durant both on a max, and Westbrook due an extension in a year. Who knows.
 
RR7 said:
Green's a better option than Aldridge in a S&T for Toronto? I disagree.

I can see Bosh maybe choosing to go there, though, over here. But maybe presti is viewing his team building differently. And, maybe their ownership isn't as willing to pay that high of a price. Bosh and Durant both on a max, and Westbrook due an extension in a year. Who knows.
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Bosh is going to hold the cards, he'd be doing the Raptors a solid by agreeing to a sign and trade unless he had a very specific destination in mind that was over the cap. The Raps would probably like to get at least something back in the deal, Green would qualify -- Colangelo would probably love his 3 point range.
 
I'm not disputing Bosh holding the cards. Just disputing you saying they'll get better offers, and Green being one of them. If he wants to go there, then yes, that is better than nothing for them. If he is ok with both here or there, I don't see how Green is a better option than Aldridge.
And if a team isn't under the cap, the only person really getting done a solid by doing a S&T is Bosh, and he knows it. He's giving away an awful lot of money by NOT agreeing to a S&T.
 
RR7 said:
I'm not disputing Bosh holding the cards. Just disputing you saying they'll get better offers, and Green being one of them. If he wants to go there, then yes, that is better than nothing for them. If he is ok with both here or there, I don't see how Green is a better option than Aldridge.
And if a team isn't under the cap, the only person really getting done a solid by doing a S&T is Bosh, and he knows it. He's giving away an awful lot of money by NOT agreeing to a S&T.
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I'm not going to argue the merits of Green over Aldridge (and vice versa), they're both second bananas with flaws in their game. As for Bosh, he'd be leaving some money on the table if he didn't do a S&T, but after 7 years in the league maybe he's ready to win and collect hardware at the expense of a couple of million dollars? If I was Bosh looking at teams that were one big man away from contending, the Thunder would have to be pretty close to my first choice, it probably wouldn't hurt if he was a couple of hours away from Dallas where he's from.
 
Rather than OKC, I'm looking at Houston, with Scola, Jordan Hill, and Jared Jeffries.
 
Nikolokolus said:
If Bosh is smart and the Thunder are smart they'll just sign him out-right, or if Bosh is feeling particularly generous he might agree to a sign-and-trade with the Raptors and his team of choice, in which case I would expect the Thunder to offer up Kristic, Collison, Green, or maybe Ibaka plus one of their extra first round draft picks to get him.

In short, I think Bosh is going to have better options and the Raptors are going to get better sign-and-trade offers than what the Blazers could put together.
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I think you need to factor in a few relevant CBA provisions in looking at this situation. First, according to Storyteller's numbers, Bosh is opting out of the last year of his contract that would have paid him $17,149,243 next year. Second, the Thunder will have just a bit over $16 million in cap space. Third, since the Raptors hold Bosh's Bird rights, they can offer a max contract that includes an extra year over what anyone else can offer. Unless the Thunder can clear more space, they can't offer a contract that starts as high as what the Raptors can offer, which affects the compounded amount of raises over the life of the contract. For all of those reasons, it's far from clear that it would be smart for Bosh to sign with the Thunder outright.

As far as a sign and trade between the Raptors and the Thunder, the salaries of the players coming back to Toronto would have to match within 125% + $100K of what Bosh's new contract would start at. Assuming $17 mil as a starting point since that's what he's opting out of, that means about $13.6 million would have to come back to the Raptors. That would require a minimum of 3 players from the Thunder's roster. I'm not so sure that the Thunder are going to be willing to part with that much of their talent base for Bosh.

For the Blazers, a package of Aldridge, Fernandez, and JPEC would work for both parties.
 
The Thunder wouldn't have to give up that much. Since they are under the cap, they'd just have to give up enough to clear space to fit in his max. If he started at 17, and they had 16 in space, they only need to send out 1 million in salary.
 
RR7 said:
The Thunder wouldn't have to give up that much. Since they are under the cap, they'd just have to give up enough to clear space to fit in his max. If he started at 17, and they had 16 in space, they only need to send out 1 million in salary.
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Doh. Yeah, you're right. As long as they don't end up more than $100K over the cap following the trade, it would work.
 
Nikolokolus said:
If I was Bosh looking at teams that were one big man away from contending, the Thunder would have to be pretty close to my first choice, it probably wouldn't hurt if he was a couple of hours away from Dallas where he's from.
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Location could be a factor. If not, I'd think Portland would be at or near the top of the list of "destinations to win." A Roy/Oden/Bosh/Batum core is probably the best in basketball. Obviously, the caveat there is health.
 
First of all, you people are overrating his rebounding ability. He gets a ton of his rebounds because no one else can (bargnani? hedo?). Secondly, i hope BC is not stupid enough to build around Aldrige and Bargs. If bosh and Bargs didnt work out, i don't see how Aldrige (who is similar to bosh except worse) and Bargs will work.
 
Bosh is good, but I don't see him as much of an improvement over LaMarcus.
 
I'd give up whatever it took outside of Roy and Oden to get Bosh. As much as I like Batum, Bosh is a player that could push a core from really good to great. If Portland could get him without giving up Batum, it would be an amazing coup. Some package of Aldridge, Bayless, Rudy, draft picks, JPEC...would be fantastic. Assuming Bosh was okay with being signed-and-traded to Portland, that kind of package would be actually pretty good for Toronto if they were losing Bosh anyway.
 
Minstrel said:
I'd give up whatever it took outside of Roy and Oden to get Bosh. As much as I like Batum, Bosh is a player that could push a core from really good to great. If Portland could get him without giving up Batum, it would be an amazing coup. Some package of Aldridge, Bayless, Rudy, draft picks, JPEC...would be fantastic. Assuming Bosh was okay with being signed-and-traded to Portland, that kind of package would be actually pretty good for Toronto if they were losing Bosh anyway.
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This, though loosing Batum would really hurt.
 
Why would Chris Bosh choose Oklahoma City over Portland? I realize we aren't a big market, but Portland is much more attractive as a city than OKC. What a shit hole.
 
I wouldn't give up Batum. At least, I don't think so. But he can be a bit passive sometimes, too...

However, I would give up Claver (who was ranked above Batum when they were both star teenagers in Europe) and Freeland, and that might count for something with a Eurocentric front office.
And Joel's contract could definitely be a plus, particularly if it's insured, and particularly if they can offload a contract they don't like along with it.

If OKC gets Bosh, though, I might cry. Do they really still have that much cap space? Fuckers.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Why would Chris Bosh choose Oklahoma City over Portland? I realize we aren't a big market, but Portland is much more attractive as a city than OKC. What a shit hole.
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The idea is that he'd like the proximity to his home town of Dallas.

I don't really buy that, though. It might be a nice fringe benefit, but I doubt it would be a decision-making factor over money, money, role, money and perhaps chance of winning.
 
Minstrel said:
The idea is that he'd like the proximity to his home town of Dallas.

I don't really buy that, though. It might be a nice fringe benefit, but I doubt it would be a decision-making factor over money, money, role, money and perhaps chance of winning.
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If money is a factor, which it obviously is, then Houston makes the most sense since there is no state income tax in Texas. At Bosh's salary, he'd pay 11% in income tax to the state of Oregon versus 0% to the state of Texas. That's almost $2 million/per in taxes.
 
Would Bosh like to play alongside a gunning SF or alongside a big strong center? I think the latter would be more appealing. (When was the last time a team succeeded with two star big-scoring forwards? I keep thinking of Milwaukee with Big Dog and pre-alchoholism Vin Baker. Others?) Whether he thinks Oden or Yao qualifies is the question.
 
Can anyone find any quotes from McMillan on Bosh or vice versa when both were serving the USA in the Olympics?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Why would Chris Bosh choose Oklahoma City over Portland? I realize we aren't a big market, but Portland is much more attractive as a city than OKC. What a shit hole.
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Depends on perspective. They have better winter weather, lower taxes, 3 times larger African American population (15% vs. 6% in Portland), and in Bosh's case he'd be a couple hours from home (Dallas).
 
Nikolokolus said:
Depends on perspective. They have better winter weather, lower taxes, 3 times larger African American population (15% vs. 6% in Portland), and in Bosh's case he'd be a couple hours from home (Dallas).
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Playing alongside "Michael Fucking Jordan" (Durant) probably has a small amount of appeal as well.

There is one reason I'd be extremely hesitant to trade Nic: With him gone, we have God-awful perimeter D. Oden/Bosh/Camby will be straddled with foul trouble constantly.
 
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I guess it comes down to this: is Batum/LMA better than Webster/Bosh? I like Batum, and I like him more than Webster, but I like Bosh a lot better than LMA in our offense. If we had Steve Nash running us up and down the floor, maybe not. But as is?
 
BrianFromWA said:
I guess it comes down to this: is Batum/LMA better than Webster/Bosh? I like Batum, and I like him more than Webster, but I like Bosh a lot better than LMA in our offense. If we had Steve Nash running us up and down the floor, maybe not. But as is?
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Thing is, I just can't see it taking Batum. If Bosh tells Toronto he wants to go to Portland, please work out a S&T, and we offered Aldridge, Rudy and Joel, I can see them haggling for a bit, but ultimately, they risk pissing off another franchise player of theirs, and getting nothing in return. Is nothing better than Aldridge and Rudy? Now, I am sure some teams might be able to offer alittl emore, but if he said you can get players, or I will sign somewhere with cap space, and all you guys will get in a trade is a TPE.
 
Minstrel said:
The idea is that he'd like the proximity to his home town of Dallas.

I don't really buy that, though. It might be a nice fringe benefit, but I doubt it would be a decision-making factor over money, money, role, money and perhaps chance of winning.
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This sort of underplays the friction between Texans and Oklahomians.

From what I understand, the two states feel about each other the same way Oregonians feel about Southern California.
 
BGrantFan said:
If money is a factor, which it obviously is, then Houston makes the most sense since there is no state income tax in Texas. At Bosh's salary, he'd pay 11% in income tax to the state of Oregon versus 0% to the state of Texas. That's almost $2 million/per in taxes.
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Doesn't Florida also have no income tax? If so, then I'd think Miami (if Wade stays put) would be a more desirable option than Houston
 
I would not trade Batum. IMO, with the way he's developing I would say he's the second most important Blazer after Roy going forward.
 
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