Chris Kaman's contract

[Draco]

Does anyone know the deadline to decide on Chris Kaman's contract? If its a team option then it would be by June 30th but if its an unguaranteed contract the date could be in July or later.

I think the majority of Blazer fans would like to bring him back but with so much up in the air for this teams starters and long term roster first I think you may need to have the cap space available for those higher priorities. $4 million of the $5 million in his contract is unguaranteed.

I suspect we do have to decide first on his contract so I'll assume so for the remainder of my post. I would decline the team option but let him know we are eager to bring him back. We have the ability to use the cap space to negotiate with free agents. The team is able to use Batum in a sign and trade, or use Lopez, Afflalo in two way sign and trades. Ultimately we reach deals with free agents and or LaMarcus but are able to work sign and trades to stay above the cap. Or we stay above the cap and stand pat just bringing nearly the entire roster back. Then we can resign Kaman for $4million or whatever amount is agreed upon.

If however we do need the cap space we renounce Kaman's rights and hope he signs for the $3 million room exception or veteran minimum. He worked great with Meyers which many fans like but he also was very productive on the court with the third highest PER on the team over 17 behind only LMA and Dame. Ideally he'd be the 4th or 5th big on the roster. Turning 34 in October he's not getting any younger but I think he would be happy to sit on the bench watching Meyers, Lopez, or a newly acquired starting center play. He would also be available for a big reserve role if the team needs it. Thats what you need out of the end of the bench; players who can play when called upon but are content with a DNP.

 

[e_blazer]

From what I recall, it isn't a team option contract; it just has only $1 million guaranteed next year. That would mean that, if necessary, they can waive him anytime this summer and only have a cap hit of $1 mil.

 

[Natebishop3]

From what I recall, it isn't a team option contract; it just has only $1 million guaranteed next year. That would mean that, if necessary, they can waive him anytime this summer and only have a cap hit of $1 mil.

That's a nice trade chip actually. Someone could clear 4 million off their books, right?

 

[e_blazer]

That's a nice trade chip actually. Someone could clear 4 million off their books, right?

True. That would be an option.

 

[Schilly]

IIRC It becomes fully guaranteed last day of July. He can be traded up till that point and be waived for savings.

 

[RR7]

That's a nice trade chip actually. Someone could clear 4 million off their books, right?

e_ is correct. It's not an option, it's just a contract with a small guaranteed portion. And we could save a team even more money, potentially. Kaman set to make 5 million, so a team could trade a guy making up to 7.6 million in salary, and save themselves over 6 million dollars.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Kaman is most likely to be moved for that reason alone. I think the Blazer's hope would be he is waived and then brought back to mentor Meyers more though.

 

[RR7]

Kaman is most likely to be moved for that reason alone. I think the Blazer's hope would be he is waived and then brought back to mentor Meyers more though.

I think there's that waiting period after trading a guy where you can not re-acquire him.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would do Batum/Kaman for Hibbert.

Then let Rolo/Wes walk and try to sign Danny Green to take his spot.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I would do Batum/Kaman for Hibbert.
Then let Rolo/Wes walk and try to sign Danny Green to take his spot.

Thus replacing three good players with 2 good players for the same price. Actually it's 4 for 2 including Kaman. Let's bundle Aldridge and Lillard for a superstar and petition the league to change to 3-on-3.

 

[tester551]

IIRC It becomes fully guaranteed last day of July. He can be traded up till that point and be waived for savings.

Contracts are generally guaranteed the last day of JUNE. Therefore he would have to be traded BEFORE free agency begins.

 

[Natebishop3]

Thus replacing three good players with 2 good players for the same price. Actually it's 4 for 2 including Kaman. Let's bundle Aldridge and Lillard for a superstar and petition the league to change to 3-on-3.

Right now we have no idea if Wes is still good. We have no idea if he will ever be as good as he was. As I've said in other threads, I'm extremely wary of throwing a big contract at a guy who is on the verge of hitting 30 who is coming off a major injury. I would much rather give that money to Danny Green.

Kaman and Rolo did nothing for us in the playoffs. I would prefer to consolidate and grab someone like Hibbert while we develop Meyers.

 

[Schilly]

Contracts are generally guaranteed the last day of JUNE. Therefore he would have to be traded BEFORE free agency begins.

Actually that's not totally true. The date a contract becomes fully Guaranteed is January 10th. But there is a date when the whole amount of the non-guaranteed amount can be waived without it being prorated, and it's in the summer, Trying to find that date.

 

[Schilly]

Reading a little further , the Guarantee date is something that is negotiated at the time of the contract between the player and the team. there is no hard date for a partial guarantee.

 

[magnifier661]

Right now we have no idea if Wes is still good. We have no idea if he will ever be as good as he was. As I've said in other threads, I'm extremely wary of throwing a big contract at a guy who is on the verge of hitting 30 who is coming off a major injury. I would much rather give that money to Danny Green.

Kaman and Rolo did nothing for us in the playoffs. I would prefer to consolidate and grab someone like Hibbert while we develop Meyers.

The problem with that is we won't have money to really offer a swap of Matthews for Danny Green. We would basically need to free up about 10 mil IMO. Renouncing just Matthews won't do that

 

[Natebishop3]

The problem with that is we won't have money to really offer a swap of Matthews for Danny Green. We would basically need to free up about 10 mil IMO. Renouncing just Matthews won't do that

That's why I was saying we would acquire Hibbert and then renounce Rolo AND Wes.

 

[magnifier661]

That's why I was saying we would acquire Hibbert and then renounce Rolo AND Wes.

So use Kaman and Batum for Hibbert? Then renounce Rolo and Wes for Green? That's a huge risk that I doubt would convince Aldridge to stay.

Now if we trade Batum for a resigned Green and filler, you maybe onto something. I think Parker would love to have another frenchie in SAS!

 

[Natebishop3]

So use Kaman and Batum for Hibbert? Then renounce Rolo and Wes for Green? That's a huge risk that I doubt would convince Aldridge to stay.

Now if we trade Batum for a resigned Green and filler, you maybe onto something. I think Parker would love to have another frenchie in SAS!

I don't think we have enough filler to bring in Hibbert without using Batum though.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Give up on wes after how tough hes been for this city? Dont fly with me boe. Dude would murder us everytime we played. Hes coming back strong, just watch.

 

[Natebishop3]

Give up on wes after how tough hes been for this city? Dont fly with me boe. Dude would murder us everytime we played. Hes coming back strong, just watch.

We rewarded BRoy even though I think we knew he was having knee troubles. How did that work out?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So use Kaman and Batum for Hibbert? Then renounce Rolo and Wes for Green? That's a huge risk that I doubt would convince Aldridge to stay.

Now if we trade Batum for a resigned Green and filler, you maybe onto something. I think Parker would love to have another frenchie in SAS!

I don't think we have enough filler to bring in Hibbert without using Batum though.

OK--Batum to SAS for S&T Green, S&T Rolo for Hibbert, Miles for Diaw (to match up salaries).

 

[magnifier661]

I don't think we have enough filler to bring in Hibbert without using Batum though.

Oh absolutely! That was my scenario, while we keep Aldridge

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'd like people to explain to me how Hibbert last season was better than Rolo. Not saying he isn't, but I'd like proof that he was. Seems to me Hibbert has been on a pretty steep decline, and was only ever good for a kind of short period. I really wanted Hibbert for a while, but Rolo has performed admirably for the most part and isn't he younger? And more mobile? And a better, more efficient scorer?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I'd like people to explain to me how Hibbert last season was better than Rolo. Not saying he isn't, but I'd like proof that he was. Seems to me Hibbert has been on a pretty steep decline, and was only ever good for a kind of short period. I really wanted Hibbert for a while, but Rolo has performed admirably for the most part and isn't he younger? And more mobile? And a better, more efficient scorer?

People are banking on a rebound from Hibbert (saying the reason he has done so-so is he doesn't like it there) but that is a very big gamble.

 

[magnifier661]

I'd like people to explain to me how Hibbert last season was better than Rolo. Not saying he isn't, but I'd like proof that he was. Seems to me Hibbert has been on a pretty steep decline, and was only ever good for a kind of short period. I really wanted Hibbert for a while, but Rolo has performed admirably for the most part and isn't he younger? And more mobile? And a better, more efficient scorer?

I seem to remember Lopez being a mediocre center everywhere else but in Portland. I think that has more to do with being next to Aldridge than Lopez just getting better. I suspect Hibbert would be amazing in Portland using the same concept.

I would also think we could get Hobbert and Lopez, so we would have the best of both worlds

 

[RR7]

I think Hibbert is a better defender than Robin is. And if we gave Hibbert the shots we gave Lopez, and not put him in a spot to shoot 18 footers like thru do in indy then I think his scoring would be just as efficient. I think he'd be slightly more of a post up threat than Robin currently is.

 

[Strenuus]

We rewarded BRoy even though I think we knew he was having knee troubles. How did that work out?

Cool. So, every major injury must mean to just get rid of them.

Pacers should just get rid of Paul George then?

Boris Diaw should have just stopped playing then.

Get out of here with that stuff, as Dviss would say.

 

[Blazinaway]

Right now we have no idea if Wes is still good. We have no idea if he will ever be as good as he was. As I've said in other threads, I'm extremely wary of throwing a big contract at a guy who is on the verge of hitting 30 who is coming off a major injury. I would much rather give that money to Danny Green.

Kaman and Rolo did nothing for us in the playoffs. I would prefer to consolidate and grab someone like Hibbert while we develop Meyers.

I am with you on Danny Green as opposed to taking a big chance on Wes - love the guy but the comeback from his injury is very chancy. Agree on Rolo, would sign him for 7-8 mil per but no more, Kaman may be a nice trade chip with his contract only 1 mil guarateed. I also look to move Nic, we can argue all day about his issues of playing overseas amd his inconsistency but the MAIN thing for me is that I don't think will or wans to re-sign in POR after next year, so let get some value for him NOW while we can. A guy I keep thinking of is Tyreke Evans who can play PG/SG/SF, yes he's not the best outside shooter but he's a great slasher and good ball handler and backup/alternate PG, we have plenty of shooters. Trade Nic for Tyreke is something I would look at, Tyreke is only 25 and has 2 yr left on his contract

 

[Natebishop3]

Cool. So, every major injury must mean to just get rid of them.

Pacers should just get rid of Paul George then?

Boris Diaw should have just stopped playing then.

Get out of here with that stuff, as Dviss would say.

Paul George is 25, he is a superstar, and it's a bone break, which can heal without any ill effects.

Wes is almost 30. He is not a superstar. It's an achilles tear, which could either heal with no ill effects, or it could give him problems the rest of his career. Do you want to pay him 10+ million a year for four or five years without having any idea how he will recover from this injury?

Oh.... and report to the principles office (me), you're going to get a spanking.

 

[Strenuus]

Paul George is 25, he is a superstar, and it's a bone break, which can heal without any ill effects.

Wes is almost 30. He is not a superstar. It's an achilles tear, which could either heal with no ill effects, or it could give him problems the rest of his career. Do you want to pay him 10+ million a year for four or five years without having any idea how he will recover from this injury?

Oh.... and report to the principles office (me), you're going to get a spanking.

Yes, I would. He's earned it.

Now, what about Diaw? Wade? Not all Knee issues mean the same thing. If you're scared off because of one persons injury, then that's on you, I suppose.