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Strenuus said:
Yes, I would. He's earned it.

Now, what about Diaw? Wade? Not all Knee issues mean the same thing. If you're scared off because of one persons injury, then that's on you, I suppose.
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Has either of those players torn an achilles? Wade is a HOF caliber player, and Diaw..... well I don't see Diaw pulling down a 15+ million dollar per year contract.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Has either of those players torn an achilles? Wade is a HOF caliber player, and Diaw..... well I don't see Diaw pulling down a 15+ million dollar per year contract.
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But the knees, man! That's what I'm talking about.

And I would sign Wes to a $10 mil/year contract without batting an eye. He's EARNED that. And if he isn't the same, so what? If a guy has worked hard, he's earned it. I have no problem with that. If he's bad, people are going to say it was a stupid decision, but the hindsight crowd is always right in some respects, they just look silly waiting. That's on them. Wes earned his money. Fear shouldn't get in the way of loyalty.
 
Strenuus said:
But the knees, man! That's what I'm talking about.

And I would sign Wes to a $10 mil/year contract without batting an eye. He's EARNED that. And if he isn't the same, so what? If a guy has worked hard, he's earned it. I have no problem with that. If he's bad, people are going to say it was a stupid decision, but the hindsight crowd is always right in some respects, they just look silly waiting. That's on them. Wes earned his money. Fear shouldn't get in the way of loyalty.
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So you would hamper an organization for years because someone earned a contract in your eyes?

What if we sign him to that deal and he never plays another game?
 
Strenuus said:
But the knees, man! That's what I'm talking about.

And I would sign Wes to a $10 mil/year contract without batting an eye. He's EARNED that. And if he isn't the same, so what? If a guy has worked hard, he's earned it. I have no problem with that. If he's bad, people are going to say it was a stupid decision, but the hindsight crowd is always right in some respects, they just look silly waiting. That's on them. Wes earned his money. Fear shouldn't get in the way of loyalty.
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Wes earned his last contract and before the injury was looking at a 4 yr 50 mil deal at least, IMO the Blazers owe him nothing as we've seen too often this is a BUSINESS. We did not know he would even return to Portland. I would we willing to offer Wes an 8-10 mil ONE year deal or a 15 mil 2 yr with a player option after one year, nothing more. If he comes back strong he is looking at a big time payday next year as he could opt out, if not he gets 8-10 mil and likely signs a smaller contract if his performance is impaired - still making millions per year.
 
Strenuus said:
But the knees, man! That's what I'm talking about.

And I would sign Wes to a $10 mil/year contract without batting an eye. He's EARNED that. And if he isn't the same, so what? If a guy has worked hard, he's earned it. I have no problem with that. If he's bad, people are going to say it was a stupid decision, but the hindsight crowd is always right in some respects, they just look silly waiting. That's on them. Wes earned his money. Fear shouldn't get in the way of loyalty.
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Wes earned his last contract and before the injury was looking at a 4 yr 50 mil deal at least, IMO the Blazers owe him nothing as we've seen too often this is a BUSINESS. We did not know he would even return to Portland. I would we willing to offer Wes an 8-10 mil ONE year deal or a 15 mil 2 yr with a player option after one year, nothing more. If he comes back strong he is looking at a big time payday next year as he could opt out, if not he gets 8-10 mil and likely signs a smaller contract if his performance is impaired - still making millions per year.
 
Blazinaway said:
Wes earned his last contract and before the injury was looking at a 4 yr 50 mil deal at least, IMO the Blazers owe him nothing as we've seen too often this is a BUSINESS. We did not know he would even return to Portland. I would we willing to offer Wes an 8-10 mil ONE year deal or a 15 mil 2 yr with a player option after one year, nothing more. If he comes back strong he is looking at a big time payday next year as he could opt out, if not he gets 8-10 mil and likely signs a smaller contract if his performance is impaired - still making millions per year.
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I was leaning that way too, but to be fair to the Blazers, year two should be a team option. I say this because Wes could very well miss at least half the season. Really it is a win-win. Wes wins because he gets a raise even though he is hurt, and the Blazers win because they get him for year two at a reasonable rate.

Of course Wes and his agent will say he will be ready by training camp. And you never know he might be. But Kobe said he would too, and ended up hurting something else. Which is common when you try to come back too soon.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I was leaning that way too, but to be fair to the Blazers, year two should be a team option. I say this because Wes could very well miss at least half the season. Really it is a win-win. Wes wins because he gets a raise even though he is hurt, and the Blazers win because they get him for year two at a reasonable rate.

Of course Wes and his agent will say he will be ready by training camp. And you never know he might be. But Kobe said he would too, and ended up hurting something else. Which is common when you try to come back too soon.
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yeah, the worse thing you can do with that type of injury is come back to fast as tendons are very slow healers
 
Natebishop3 said:
So you would hamper an organization for years because someone earned a contract in your eyes?

What if we sign him to that deal and he never plays another game?
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lol. There's those what ifs again. You'll learn.
 
I have a gut feeling the Knicks or Cavs will overpay Wes and we won't ..I love Wes and hope he heals but as some say..this is a career altering injury. If Wes signs a 2 year with team option second year, we'd be smart to see how it pans out. I don't think Neil is going to offer him max years given the circumstances. On a two year deal, you have some flexibility and if Wes does want to stay, there'll be more money next time around. I think we keep Kaman around because his salary is not going to make much difference compared to what he brings for the money and he doesn't need playing time to be happy here. Rolo is replaceable.
 
A one year deal at 10 mil or a two year deal with a player optioned second year for 18 mil. If I was Olshey that would be my only two options for wes. I think it's fair as he can prove he still has it (when he comes back around Christmas/new years) while making good money, if he wants more he can see the door. Loyalty doesn't exist in the sports world 99% of the time, especially on the players end.
 
Cabs won't have money to pay him and he's too competitive to go to NY for an extra couple million
 
Strenuus said:
Yes, I would. He's earned it
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Wes earned a completely fair paycheck before his injury. He owes the Blazers nothing. Blazers owe him nothing.

Before the injury he was an average starting SG, not a star. If any other team is dumb enough to offer him more than $8 mil per year, I'd let homey walk out the door.
 
BonesJones said:
Cabs won't have money to pay him and he's too competitive to go to NY for an extra couple million
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Lebron said he coveted Wes as the missing piece early in the season. What Lebron wants, the Cavs get...Love will be gone. The Knicks aren't exactly famous for being careful
 
I want Wes back as much as any player but only if he can play again at the same level
 
Rondo is gonna be good next year, you heard it here first.
 
Dude, the salary cap still applies to Lebron... Even if traveling and other such things don't.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
If New York can land Rondo this summer and draft a Towns/Okafor I could see him bolting. The Knicks are bad but they have a lot of money.
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I don't see how 6th in the East with guys that would be hell to play with would be enticing to him
 
If they keep LA they'll be better next year. And they were contenders this year before guys went down. That Knicks team would have no chance at contending
 
Natebishop3 said:
We rewarded BRoy even though I think we knew he was having knee troubles. How did that work out?
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Broy was never sold out for this city. Did roy put on a blazer uni a day after surgery And tweet it out to lift his team to victory? Did roy put on an iron man mask and cheer for his boys doing battle? Roy was a great player and he did a lot for the team, but he kind of had some arrogance to him as well. Wes doesnt have that, hes the most likeable guy and hes tough as nails. Dude went down with an Achilles and limped off the court like it was a sprained ankle. I dont care if he's just an off the bench guy with limited minutes or if he gets back to his starter self, I want him on this team. And im positive it will be the later, hes already drilling one legged threes and changing his game.
 
Yeah I'll be shocked if Wes leaves; nobody else is offering him huge dollars. NY has a ton of pressure to win now they won't bring in a guy rehabbing an injury that could be out to start the season. Cavs have no salary cap space. So it's really up to him; does he want a short contract here to try and prove he deserves that big payday or does he want to lock in a long term deal at less per year but more guaranteed money.

Many of you all are looking at this wrong; it's not the teams decision how long he signs for its Wes'. The team will pay him at least his market rate. Wes decides how long it'll be.
 
Sounds like some of you think Kamans contract is non guaranteed. If so yes the date it becomes guaranteed is written into the contract; it can be June 30th before free agency, at the end of July after free agency or other times. You'd think with Neil's foresight he structured it to be after July 10th so the team can see what they'll do first. If we don't need the cap room or find a good trade they just guarantee it and bring the kaveman back.

There is some rule about not reacquining a player you trade away. So if we trade him and he is cut I don't know if we can resign him. We might be able to since his salary wasn't guaranteed yet perhaps the restriction doesn't apply. I'm not sure on that.
 
Hmm well I still can't find confirmation of the date Kaman contract becomes guaranteed.
 
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