Chris Kyle trial: Jesse Ventura wins $1.8 million in defamation case

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Jesse Ventura, suing for money from the widow of a dead soldier.

What a guy.
 
If you have the time you guys should read the other articles as this trial was going on.

Chris Kyle trial


It was a very fascinating case. Kyle claimed he hit Ventura in a bar. Ventura said it never happened. Ventura claims that his reputation has been damaged by those false allegations. (Personally I think the crackhead shit Ventura spouts is what has hurt his reputation but that is besides the point.)
 
Not just a dead solider, the greatest sniper in Navy Seal history.

The funny thing is that a large part of Ventura's claim was that the story about the punch ostracized Ventura from the SEAL community. Gee Jesse, I wonder how this one will go over at the next SEAL get-together. There will be a line of SEALs looking to punch him, I'm guessing.
 
(Personally I think the crackhead shit Ventura spouts is what has hurt his reputation but that is besides the point.)

His conspiracy TV show was unintentional comedy. The Denver airport episode is a classic in kooky conjecture. I'm not saying that the murals at DIA aren't fucking weird, and I've seen them in person, but the leaps in logic he makes, as well as ending almost every "claim" in the form of a question, was brilliant TV. It made him look like a loon, but it was great TV.
 
I feel inclined to believe Ventura. He seems to value his service tremendously even if he is a loon. Kyle's family made millions from the book but all I ever heard about it was the Jesse Ventura story. I think it probably helped sales. That $1.8-million or whatever it gets whittled down to might be a direct profit from the bar story people were curious about. I don't know what would motivate Kyle to make that up--it's possible Ventura was more intoxicated than he lets on or that he's got an even looser grasp on reality than previously imagined--but it was a pretty nasty thing to write (and talk about on radio) about another veteran true or not.
 
Jesse Ventura, suing for money from the widow of a dead soldier. What a guy.

A young widow who is making over $10 million from the book and upcoming major movie. Most of the profit is caused by the Ventura anecdote. Her liar husband, who made a living on his unverified claim to be the best Army* sniper, was previously caught in other lies.

Had Jesse dropped the lawsuit when her husband died, it would be giving up on ever proving that it was a lie. That validation was the main point of the suit.

Also had he dropped it, the moviemakers would have been unintimidated to make the anecdote the highlight of the movie. Now they will barely mention it.

*Edit: Make that Navy
 
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It must be pretty easy to sue a dead man that can't tell his side of the story other than through a tape.
 
I feel inclined to believe Ventura. He seems to value his service tremendously even if he is a loon. Kyle's family made millions from the book but all I ever heard about it was the Jesse Ventura story. I think it probably helped sales. That $1.8-million or whatever it gets whittled down to might be a direct profit from the bar story people were curious about. I don't know what would motivate Kyle to make that up--it's possible Ventura was more intoxicated than he lets on or that he's got an even looser grasp on reality than previously imagined--but it was a pretty nasty thing to write (and talk about on radio) about another veteran true or not.

Multiple witnesses saw the incident and told about it during the trial. The problem was that everybody there was drunk, Ventura included, so no two stories were identical.

Ventura is a self-aggrandizing charlatan, so I'm guessing it won't trouble him to take money from a widow and her children, but any respect I once had for the guy is gone. Seems like a gigantic douchebag, as well as a conspiracy kook. Ventura has made millions in his life, and because people are now tired of his act, he went for one more money grab.
 
It must be pretty easy to sue a dead man that can't tell his side of the story other than through a tape.

"One-point-five million people have bought the book," he said. "Millions more heard Fox TV trash Jesse Ventura because of it. And the story went viral on the Internet and will be there forever."

Actually, the standards to prove libel aren't easy at all. But it was sure obvious in this case. She got off easy because she lost only a small percentage of the royalties.
 
Ventura is a self-aggrandizing charlatan, so I'm guessing it won't trouble him to take money from a widow and her children, but any respect I once had for the guy is gone. Seems like a gigantic douchebag, as well as a conspiracy kook. Ventura has made millions in his life, and because people are now tired of his act, he went for one more money grab.

The "best sniper in the Navy" was the biggest self-promoter of all. There is no objective way to rank snipers, since many served in peacetime.
 
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The "best sniper in the Navy" was the biggest self-promoter of all. There is no objective way to rank snipers, since many served in peacetime.

As for Papa pretending to respect anyone, especially his political foes...yeah right.

You're on ignore until you can end these personal attacks.
 
Great news. This means I will win every argument with you, since you won't know what I say.

As for insulting you by calling you Papa, I'm sorry Newsource. No one should ever be called that.
 

What Ventura should do is only take the amount of money necessary to pay his lawyers, as well as the time he spent at this trial.

He's a piece of shit, though, so I imagine he'll take the entire amount. What I don't at all understand is how Ventura isn't considered a public figure. Didn't anyone else see The People vs. Larry Flynt? The Supreme Court has already decided this Ventura case, so I expect it to be reversed upon appeal.

If it isn't, that opens up a huge can of worms about how we as citizens can talk about public figures.
 
Interesting all the criticism about the verdict yet posters only know a fraction of the evidence.

It was Ventura burden to prove his case and it was a high burden. He proved his case and was awarded damages. Why isn't the person who was found to fabricated a story about Ventura the one who is looked down upon?
 
What Ventura should do is only take the amount of money necessary to pay his lawyers, as well as the time he spent at this trial. He's a piece of shit, though, so I imagine he'll take the entire amount.

If he doesn't take it all, other liars will think they can get away with it, too. Send them a message, Jesse.

Why does the millionaire widow deserve to profit off of him? The Oregonian article says she's getting $6M from the book. And probably double that from the movie. She's a lot richer than Jesse, and didn't earn a dime of it.

But sexist men think women should be put on a pedestal.
 
Interesting all the criticism about the verdict yet posters only know a fraction of the evidence.

It was Ventura burden to prove his case and it was a high burden. He proved his case and was awarded damages. Why isn't the person who was found to fabricated a story about Ventura the one who is looked down upon?

Of course he's looked down upon. In fact, you have to look six feet down, to be exact.
 

I just skipped ahead to where he left the show, but seems like sensationalist headlining. Came this close to beating him up? Gimme a break.

As for can of worms...we can talk about public figures all we want. But if you want to make money off of lying about a story about them, then expect to have to pay a chunk of that money back to the individual for it.
 
Whatever. I think Venture is a conspiracy kook who preys on the weak-minded.
 
I just skipped ahead to where he left the show, but seems like sensationalist headlining. Came this close to beating him up? Gimme a break.

As for can of worms...we can talk about public figures all we want. But if you want to make money off of lying about a story about them, then expect to have to pay a chunk of that money back to the individual for it.

I disagree.
 
Whatever. I think Venture is a conspiracy kook who preys on the weak-minded.

It's not like both sides didn't have attorneys. If it was some conspiracy drummed up by Ventura, you would think the other sides's lawyers could show this.

Legal experts had said Ventura had to clear a high legal bar to win, since as a public figure he had to prove "actual malice." According to the jury instructions, Ventura had to prove with "clear and convincing evidence" that Kyle either knew or believed what he wrote was untrue, or that he harbored serious doubts about its truth.

Jury found by clear and convincing evidence that Kyle fabricated the story.
 
Did defense attorneys for the estate of "American Sniper" author Chris Kyle make a strategic error in the final days of the Jesse Ventura defamation trial?

That's a question some court observers are asking after a split jury in St. Paul, Minn., awarded $1.8 million to the former Minnesota governor.

Under the usual rules, a federal trial in Minnesota ends in a deadlock and must be retried if a jury fails to reach a unanimous decision. But when the Ventura jurors failed to reach a verdict after several days of deliberations, defense and plaintiffs attorneys agreed to accept a split verdict, and jurors found 8-2 against the defense.

Speaking for Chris Kyle's defense team, attorney John Borger said Tuesday the verdict was disappointing and the team will evaluate their legal options in the case. Borger said he called Chris Kyle's widow, Taya, with the news. "She was very surprised and very upset," he said.

Asked if agreeing to a split verdict was a mistake, he said, "That was a strategic call that seemed appropriate at the time."

Others questioned their decision.

"I think it's a strategic error," said David Schultz, a professor of law and political science at Hamline University in St. Paul. "I'm surprised that the defense agreed to it."

Schultz said the defense had nothing to lose with a hung jury. If the jury couldn't reach a verdict, Ventura would have had to pay to retry the case. That could have cost him much more than $100,000 in additional costs.

http://www.oregonlive.com/lake-oswe...is_kyle_trial_did_defense_a.html#incart_river
 
What exactly do you disagree with in my statement?

You said that people should be held responsible. Newssource said they shouldn't. It's pretty obvious that you're right and he's wrong.
 

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