Chris Sheridan says Wiz will likely do Blake/Outlaw for Haywood at last minute

[LameR]

What is the point of trading for Haywood if he is expiring? Then next year if we resign him we have 3 centers? Seems pretty short sighted and stupid, but maybe I'm missing the bigger picture. We may not even make the playoffs this year, why do this?

Helps us stay afloat this year. Makes it so Steve Blake doesn't get unnecessary playing time. Those are the good things I see out of it. I was finally coming around to Outlaw this year before he got hurt though.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

I always look at deals that are rumored with us trading Blake and Outlaw. Then I think of OKC and if they want the same player. They have a little bit of cap room and I believe the contract of Harpring that is paid by insurance (ESPN is not showing his contract in the trade machine, but RealGM does). It would be funny if Haywood and Thomas were reunited.

 

[MickZagger]

No need to fret. It is KP, it won't happen.

Did you just recently become a Blazer/Kpee hater?

 

[hasoos]

Did you just recently become a Blazer/Kpee hater?

No just going off history. Has KP ever done a mid season trade? Nope. Have there been seasons where there have been better mid season trade target acquisitions available than this season? Yep. Those 2 things tell me that KP won't make a trade. The wild card in this is Paul Allen. He may force the issue. While I don't hate KP, I also don't think he is all that great either.

 

[Boob-No-More]

No just going off history. Has KP ever done a mid season trade? Nope. Have there been seasons where there have been better mid season trade target acquisitions available than this season? Yep.

Has there ever been a season with a roster so decimated by injuries and such a glaring need with a player readily available that addresses that need and costs so little? Nope.

The situation is different. Last year at the trade deadline, Martell Webster was our only significant injury - and with a healthy Batum and Outlaw, he wasn't really missed. So, I understand why KP was reluctant to trade young assets when we didn't really have any glaring holes in our active roster. This year, with both Oden and Przybilla out, and Frye gone, we don't really have a legitimate center on our active roster.

With the addition of Miller, and Bayless playing better, Blake has become much more expendable than he was a year ago. With Batum back (and looking great) and Webster healthy and playing the best ball of his career over the last month, Outlaw is also largely redundant.

So, unlike past years, we have a clear and pressing need (for a center that can, at the very least, rebound and guard the paint) and a surplus of pieces that aren't part of our long term plans. I'd say a mid-season trade is MUCH more likely this year than last.

BNM

 

[e_blazer]

So, unlike past years, we have a clear and pressing need (for a center that can, at the very least, rebound and guard the paint) and a surplus of pieces that aren't part of our long term plans. I'd say a mid-season trade is MUCH more likely this year than last.

BNM

Exactly right. KP's said that he doesn't like to do mid-season trades and that's been his mode of operation, but sometimes events come along that demand a different response. Assuming that he can find a deal that doesn't hurt the team's long range plans, I'd say there's a high degree of probablilty that a trade happens before the deadline. The fact that it hasn't happened yet is most likely attributable to the tendency of teams to hold off making a committment on a deal until the last minute in the hopes that a better offer will come along.

 

[MARIS61]

And we'd gladly accept!!

I seriously doubt it.

 

[RagingBull04]

Exactly right. KP's said that he doesn't like to do mid-season trades and that's been his mode of operation, but sometimes events come along that demand a different response. Assuming that he can find a deal that doesn't hurt the team's long range plans, I'd say there's a high degree of probablilty that a trade happens before the deadline. The fact that it hasn't happened yet is most likely attributable to the tendency of teams to hold off making a committment on a deal until the last minute in the hopes that a better offer will come along.

I want to see KP physically let one of these guys go. I don't know if he can.

 

[alex42083]

I want to see KP physically let one of these guys go. I don't know if he can.

Yeah, I don't think he can either. I'd pull the trigger on this deal for sure, but if I was betting on it -- KP is not going to do anything by the deadline.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I wonder if we can get Tyrus on the cheap. It seems like the Wiz want a lot in return for Haywood.

 

[noknobs]

Yeah, I don't think he can either. I'd pull the trigger on this deal for sure, but if I was betting on it -- KP is not going to do anything by the deadline.

Well it doesn't sound like it's anything more than speculation at this point, and I don't know any GM that can pull the trigger on speculation.

 

[alex42083]

Well it doesn't sound like it's anything more than speculation at this point, and I don't know any GM that can pull the trigger on speculation.

Well, of course. I'm just sayin, I think KP is more likely to stand pat at the deadline again rather than make a trade. I'd be surprised if he did a deal that gave up Blake/Outlaw, unless it was overwhelmingly in our favor.

 

[KingSpeed]

I'd be devastated if we traded Travis, especially for a player we wouldn't even need next year when Oden comes back. We've missed Travis this season more than people will give him credit for. Please keep him. Or at least get better than Haywood in return.

 

[SpanishFly]

I wonder if we can get Tyrus on the cheap. It seems like the Wiz want a lot in return for Haywood.

Are you serious? Tyrus is a king sized head case and appears an azzhole, no thank you.

 

[SpanishFly]

Yeah, I don't think he can either. I'd pull the trigger on this deal for sure, but if I was betting on it -- KP is not going to do anything by the deadline.

Missing players or not I think we need to shake things up, consolidate, and get a big. IMO anybody other than Roy and Batum can be moved. I place Oden and LMA as highly likely not to be moved, but everyone else is fair game.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

From ESPN Insider. This would really help the Rockets.

When previously discussing trade chatter about Tracy McGrady's prospects, we've linked him to the Knicks.

But the thinking wa they didn't have, or want to give up, the talent necessary to acquire McGrady. Houston doesn't want to give him up for nothing.

But might adding in a third team, one rumored to be in the mix for T-Mac already, be what gets McGrady to Madison Square Garden?

According Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports the Rockets "are in the discussion stages of a complicated, three-team trade" which involves the Wizards and Knicks.

"The centerpieces of the trade would include the Washington Wizards shipping forward Caron Butler and center Brendan Haywood to the Rockets," he writes. "The Knicks would send Al Harrington to the Wizards. For the Wizards%u2019 part, they would still need another player, as well as a draft pick and cash to make this a workable scenario, sources said."

Because of the complex anture of this trade -- other contracts need to be added in for it to work -- it's far from a done deal. But on the surface, this would seem to work for everyone: the Rockets get good talent in return for T-Mac, the Wizards get some framework for the future, and the Knicks would likely clear more cap space, because they'd need to ship out some more salary in order to take on T-Mac's large expiring contract.

 

[Nikolokolus]

That Daryl Morey is a smart aggressive mofo. If he pulls that deal off Houston fans should be very, very pleased with their team's prospects for the next few years.

 

[BBert]

Crap. I had my heart set on a consolidation trade that would bring us both Butler and Haywood. What's worse, it makes Houston much better. I hate it.

 

[RR7]

Deal doesn't make a lot of sense for Washington. Especially if other rumors are to be believed. They want Batum and Rudy for Haywood from us, but are willing to take Al Harrington for Haywood AND Butler? What a crock of shit.

 

[Natebishop3]

That Daryl Morey is a smart aggressive mofo. If he pulls that deal off Houston fans should be very, very pleased with their team's prospects for the next few years.

Good GM's find a way to get things done...

 

[STOMP]

Many NBA big men don't hit their peak until late 20s early 30s.

I can't think of any Bigs who didn't play their best ball until their 30's... I've tried looking up a few now. Could you give me a few examples of the many?

With Batum back (and looking great) and Webster healthy and playing the best ball of his career over the last month, Outlaw is also largely redundant.

except that he's taller longer heavier then Batum or Webster (who are about the same size) which is probably why he's spent a good percentage of time guarding backup 4s while they haven't. Pendergraph Howard and LA can all guard most 5s adequately and Cunningham is also decent at guarding most backup 4s. Travis's addition will be helpful not only in bolstering their Big depth but as a crunch time option when they need someone who can create his look.

To me the redundant guy/odd man out has always been Webster. He's the same size as Batum and clearly the lesser player. His lack of a handle make him a liability at SG so he's pretty much pigeon holed as a 3 needing to play off the ball. Half the team can shoot 3's at a good clip so even his one skill is redundant. I don't have much faith that he'll be good in limited minutes backing up as he never has... the buy low sell high saying would seem to say sell now.

Brendan brings legit 5 size and is a good shotblocker, but he's pretty mediocre to worthless at most everything else. I'd dangle Martell and Blake

does anyone know whether Portland would hold Haywood's Bird rights? That would make him more appealing.

STOMP

 

[Nikolokolus]

Deal doesn't make a lot of sense for Washington. Especially if other rumors are to be believed. They want Batum and Rudy for Haywood from us, but are willing to take Al Harrington for Haywood AND Butler? What a crock of shit.

Harrington is no star (just like Rudy isn't) but he can ball a little bit. He's certainly more of an upgrade than Steve and Outlaw (our rumored counter-offer to the Wiz).

 

[STOMP]

Harrington is no star (just like Rudy isn't) but he can ball a little bit. He's certainly more of an upgrade than Steve and Outlaw (our rumored counter-offer to the Wiz).

but it's (NY) rumored to be Al for Haywood + Butler

STOMP

 

[Nikolokolus]

but it's (NY) rumored to be Al for Haywood + Butler

STOMP

I think all the Wiz want out of a deal is a player, to this point all the Blazers have been reputed to be offering are Travis and Steve. Love it or hate it, Harrington is probably perceived as a starting quality stretch 4, while Steve is probably viewed as nothing more than an expiring journeyman, and Travis a tweener forward with questionable hoops IQ. and don't forget the fact that a first rounder and cash would be needed to round out the deal.

 

[Wheels]

Yeah I would like to see Rudy have his own brand of Big-K Blue Light Special shoes!

 

[hasoos]

I think all the Wiz want out of a deal is a player, to this point all the Blazers have been reputed to be offering are Travis and Steve. Love it or hate it, Harrington is probably perceived as a starting quality stretch 4, while Steve is probably viewed as nothing more than an expiring journeyman, and Travis a tweener forward with questionable hoops IQ.

Yep reality sucks, but that, is the truth.

 

[STOMP]

I think all the Wiz want out of a deal is a player, to this point all the Blazers have been reputed to be offering are Travis and Steve. Love it or hate it, Harrington is probably perceived as a starting quality stretch 4, while Steve is probably viewed as nothing more than an expiring journeyman, and Travis a tweener forward with questionable hoops IQ. and don't forget the fact that a first rounder and cash would be needed to round out the deal.

If Butler is on the table, I'd expect Portland to sweeten their offer if they wanted both him and Haywood.

but regardless... a borderline starter quality 5 + a stud SF in their prime for an undersized no D gunner 4 = the dial tone if I'm the Wiz. Do you seriously consider Al to be a starting quality 4 on anything but a loser?

STOMP

 

[hasoos]

If Butler is on the table, I'd expect Portland to sweeten their offer if they wanted both him and Haywood.

but regardless... a borderline starter quality 5 + a stud SF in their prime for an undersized no D gunner 4 = the dial tone if I'm the Wiz. Do you seriously consider Al to be a starting quality 4 on anything but a loser?

STOMP

I think Al would be great as a 6th man. Much like Crawford is now. He doesn't take to well to it from what I have seen in the past though.

 

[Nikolokolus]

If Butler is on the table, I'd expect Portland to sweeten their offer if they wanted both him and Haywood.

You do? That certainly sounds logical, but I don't think KP is all that objective about the players he's drafted and signed.

but regardless... a borderline starter quality 5 + a stud SF in their prime for an undersized no D gunner 4 = the dial tone if I'm the Wiz. Do you seriously consider Al to be a starting quality 4 on anything but a loser?

STOMP

I don't particularly care for Harrington, he plays like a 3 more than a 4, but considering that Grunfeld gave Agent Zero the contract that he did, I'm not so sure you can give him the benefit of the doubt for having any kind of sense or ability to reasonably evaluate talent.

(FWIW, Harrington is putting up 17/6 with a 17.3 PER, whereas Caron is having a down year and from the sounds of things Haywood is expecting a pretty big payday this coming off-season which is a something the Wizards are probably loathe to give him. If they acquire Harrington then I fully expect them to move Jamison to Cleveland for draft picks and a guy like JJ Hickson or Big Z.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I can't think of any Bigs who didn't play their best ball until their 30's... I've tried looking up a few now. Could you give me a few examples of the many?

Sure, many bigs don't hit their peak until around 30, but here's a few you may have heard of:

Dikembe Mutombo (four best years of his career starting at age 30)
Hakeem Olajuwon (four best years starting at age 30. DPOY at 30 and 31, MVP at 31, Finals MVP at 31 and 32)
Karl Malone (best years at 33 and 34, MVP at 33 and 35)
Marcus Camby (2nd and 3rd best years of his career at 31 and 32)
Rick Smits (best two years at 32 and 31)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (best year at 30)
Dale Davis (best two years at 32 and 30)
Antonio Davis (best two years at 30 and 32)
Ben Wallace (2nd and 3rd best years at 31 and 30)
Kevin Willis (4 best years at 29, 31, 35, 30)

That's just a small sample. I just checked a few players I knew played their best ball in their early 30s. I'm sure if you check journeyman bigmen, you would find many more. My original quote was many big men don't peak until their late 20s or early 30s. If you include late 20s, there are many, many more (like Shaq, Robert Parrish, David Robinson, Kevin McHale, etc.).

I was just pointing out that Haywood having a career year at 30 is not a rare occurence. I didn't (and don't) intend to compile a list of all bigs who peaked at, or around, the age of 30. Feel free to add to the list.

BNM