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riverman said:
We know who gets to appoint the judges...same guy who chooses the pecking order...I'm not filing a suit just so you know
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The list of congressmen sent to jail is proof that it can work.

The media can investigate and report and lie about things all it wants.

Watchdog groups can make all their claims public.

If you want to leave it up to congress to police itself, you get Pelosi giving William Jefferson a seat on the House Ways and Means committee after he was found with a freezer full of cash (bribes). Until there was enough public pressure to remove him.
 
Denny Crane said:
The list of congressmen sent to jail is proof that it can work.

The media can investigate and report and lie about things all it wants.

Watchdog groups can make all their claims public.

If you want to leave it up to congress to police itself, you get Pelosi giving William Jefferson a seat on the House Ways and Means committee after he was found with a freezer full of cash (bribes). Until there was enough public pressure to remove him.
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My whole point was to point out the humor in the transition team flip flopping on whether or not to trust the people that are the watchdogs on either side of the aisle....but Trump says he knows things we don't know...the suspense is killing me.
 
There's something to be said for the will of the voter.

Representatives are all up for election every two years.
 
Something else to consider. This accusation has been thrown around by McCain, Graham, and others.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/bradley-manning-sentencing-hearing-pentagon

The US counter-intelligence official who led the Pentagon's review into the fallout from the WikiLeaks disclosures of state secrets told the Bradley Manning sentencing hearing on Wednesday that no instances were ever found of any individual killed by enemy forces as a result of having been named in the releases.
 


Just wanted to spend time with his family, and not just sick to his stomach, I'm sure.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/former-cia-director-woolsey-has-split-with-trump-2017-1

Woolsey resigned after being cut out of intelligence talks with Trump and his national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, The Washington Post's Philip Rucker reported.

Woolsey came under scrutiny last week after implying to CNN's Jim Sciutto that Trump could be "playing us" with regard to what he knows about Russia's role in election-related hacks of Democratic Party organizations and officials.

"There’s a possibility that he is [playing us] a little bit,” Woolsey said, referring to Trump's statement at a New Year's Eve party at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida that he would reveal what he knows about the hacking campaign on "Tuesday or Wednesday" of this week.

"Why not?" Woolsey added. "He [Trump] is not interfering with anything. He’s not talking about anything classified. ... This is a behavioral mode that he has perfected. He has a point, which is that it is entirely possible to have various definitions of hacking."

Woolsey also downplayed the intelligence report produced by his former agency that concluded that Russia was behind the hacking campaign on the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta.

"We may see as time goes on an improved technology for sorting things out in the hacking world, but it is probably not always a good idea to say in these days and times that we know it was Russia, it was only Russia," he told CNN. "No, I'd be a little more cautious than that. ... I think the Russians were in there, but it doesn't mean other people weren't."
 
Denny Crane said:
http://www.businessinsider.com/former-cia-director-woolsey-has-split-with-trump-2017-1

Woolsey resigned after being cut out of intelligence talks with Trump and his national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, The Washington Post's Philip Rucker reported.

Woolsey came under scrutiny last week after implying to CNN's Jim Sciutto that Trump could be "playing us" with regard to what he knows about Russia's role in election-related hacks of Democratic Party organizations and officials.

"There’s a possibility that he is [playing us] a little bit,” Woolsey said, referring to Trump's statement at a New Year's Eve party at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida that he would reveal what he knows about the hacking campaign on "Tuesday or Wednesday" of this week.

"Why not?" Woolsey added. "He [Trump] is not interfering with anything. He’s not talking about anything classified. ... This is a behavioral mode that he has perfected. He has a point, which is that it is entirely possible to have various definitions of hacking."

Woolsey also downplayed the intelligence report produced by his former agency that concluded that Russia was behind the hacking campaign on the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton campaign chair John Podesta.

"We may see as time goes on an improved technology for sorting things out in the hacking world, but it is probably not always a good idea to say in these days and times that we know it was Russia, it was only Russia," he told CNN. "No, I'd be a little more cautious than that. ... I think the Russians were in there, but it doesn't mean other people weren't."
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Sounds like he talked shit about his boss and got smacked. Hahaha sucker.
 
He downplayed the intelligence report by his former organization.
 
http://reason.com/blog/2017/01/05/rand-paul-reminds-msnbc-that-james-clapp

Rand Paul Reminds MSNBC That James Clapper Is a Liar and Can’t Be Trusted About Russia Hacking
Trump derangement syndrome is causing MSNBC to tout John McCain and Lindsey Graham as the only sane Republicans. Gulp.


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We were always at war with Eastasia. MSNBC, a seemingly neoconservative news outlet, is enraged that Congressional Republicans won't accept—on blind faith—the intelligence community's view that Russia was the source of the Podesta email hack.

MSNBC commentator Joy Reid was particularly incensed that any Republican would dare question the honor of Director of National Security James Clapper, a man who lied about the NSA committing the most massive Fourth Amendment violation in history. Clapper told the Senate Armed Services Committee today that Russia had engaged in an unprecedented level of interference in the U.S. presidential election, for whatever his opinion is worth (not much, I hope).

Sen. John McCain lashed out at Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, who has claimed that Russia was not the source of the leaked information about Hillary Clinton. McCain asked Clapper, "Do you think there's any credibility we should attach to [Julian Assange], given his record?"


"Not in my view," said Clapper.

Perhaps McCain should have asked Clapper if the director himself deserves any credibility, in the eyes of the American people, given his past misstatements about his office's gross violation of their civil liberties.

But there was nary a mention of Clapper's past dishonesty during Reid's show on Thursday night. Filling in for the usual 8:00 p.m. anchor, Chris Hayes, Reid asked Republican Rep. Mo Brooks, a member of the House Armed Services and Foreign Affairs committees, whether he considered himself, "a Julian Assange Republican like Sean Hannity, or a John McCain Republican like DNI Clapper and others who say Russia was behind the hacking?"
 
https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/01/the-download-on-the-dnc-hack/

Gaining sufficient public support for a conclusion that other countries are responsible for hacking important U.S. assets can be difficult – even when the alleged aggressor is already despised and denounced by the entire civilized world.

The remarkable hacking of Sony Pictures Entertainment in late 2014 and the Obama administration’s quick fingering of hackers in North Korea as the culprits is a prime example: When the Obama administration released its findings that North Korean hackers were responsible for breaking into SPE, few security experts I spoke to about the incident were convinced by the intelligence data coming from the White House.

That seemed to change somewhat following the leak of a National Security Agency document which suggested the United States had planted malware capable of tracking the inner workings of the computers and networks used by the North’s hackers. Nevertheless, I’d wager that if we took a scientific poll among computer security experts today, a fair percentage of them probably still strongly doubt the administration’s conclusions.

If you were to ask those doubting experts to explain why they persist in their unbelief, my guess is you would find these folks break down largely into two camps: Those who believe the administration will never release any really detailed (and likely classified) information needed to draw a more definitive conclusion, and those who because of their political leanings tend to disbelieve virtually everything that comes out of the current administration.

Now, the American public is being asked to accept the White House’s technical assessment of another international hacking incident, only this time the apparent intention of said hacking is nothing less than to influence the outcome of a historically divisive presidential election in which the sitting party lost.

It probably doesn’t matter how many indicators of compromise and digital fingerprints the Obama administration releases on this incident: Chances are decent that if you asked a panel of security experts a year from now whether the march of time and additional data points released or leaked in the interim have influenced their opinion, you’ll find them just as evenly divided as they are today.
 
I am really liking this blog. Read a lot of it lately.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...le-us-government-want-war-–-their-sales-pitch

Very Powerful People In The U.S. Government Want War – This Is Their Sales Pitch

The rising hysteria about Russia is best understood as fulfilling two needs for Official Washington: the Military Industrial Complex’s transitioning from the “war on terror” to a more lucrative “new cold war” – and blunting the threat that a President Trump poses to the neoconservative/liberal-interventionist foreign-policy establishment.

By hyping the Russian “threat,” the neocons and their liberal-hawk sidekicks, who include much of the mainstream U.S. news media, can guarantee bigger military budgets from Congress. The hype also sets in motion a blocking maneuver to impinge on any significant change in direction for U.S. foreign policy under Trump.

– From the post: Who Benefits from War with Russia?

One of the main reasons I opposed Hillary Clinton so vehemently, was I felt she embodied the neocon, neoliberal, military-intelligence-indsutrial complex’s burning desire for a global confrontation with Russia, as well as continued disastrous imperial adventures all over the world. Many of us hoped that with her loss, cooler heads would prevail and the American public might receive a much needed respite from never-ending war. This has not happened.

If anything, those in the Hillary camp have become even more aggressive and unhinged in their bloodlust, and appear willing to do “whatever it takes” to start a fight that will result in unimaginable devastation for the American public. This has become such an overwhelming concern to me, I felt the need to discuss what those of us who wish to avoid this outcome must do.
 
Denny Crane said:
Now, the American public is being asked to accept the White House’s technical assessment of another international hacking incident
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Yep. But I don't even think the correct language is being used. It's not much of a hack to breach the non security of these puny systems we all use these days. So I think it is childish to raise hell about these transgressions that the democrats want raise hell about. These systems function fine for our every day work but they lack the hardware for full security, like storage protection, authorized execution library support, secure data base support. That takes main frames if you are serious, back end system fronted by this stuff we use, where authorized personnel have the tools to protect data.

Only the cheap get hacked, I haven't heard of a Bank getting hacked yet. Now they secure the data or they are fined damn soon by the Federal reserve and probably out of bussiness in a heart beat because the lost a pile of money.

I don't see any serious people talking about this. Much bloviating by the hurt, crying wolf!
 
MarAzul said:
Yep. But I don't even think the correct language is being used. It's not much of a hack to breach the non security of these puny systems we all use these days. So I think it is childish to raise hell about these transgressions that the democrats want raise hell about. These systems function fine for our every day work but they lack the hardware for full security, like storage protection, authorized execution library support, secure data base support. That takes main frames if you are serious, back end system fronted by this stuff we use, where authorized personnel have the tools to protect data.

Only the cheap get hacked, I haven't heard of a Bank getting hacked yet. Now they secure the data or they are fined damn soon by the Federal reserve and probably out of bussiness in a heart beat because the lost a pile of money.

I don't see any serious people talking about this. Much bloviating by the hurt, crying wolf!
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The article I posted talked about how one hacker group stole $100M from several banks.
 
Denny Crane said:
I am really liking this blog. Read a lot of it lately.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...le-us-government-want-war-–-their-sales-pitch

Very Powerful People In The U.S. Government Want War – This Is Their Sales Pitch

The rising hysteria about Russia is best understood as fulfilling two needs for Official Washington: the Military Industrial Complex’s transitioning from the “war on terror” to a more lucrative “new cold war” – and blunting the threat that a President Trump poses to the neoconservative/liberal-interventionist foreign-policy establishment.

By hyping the Russian “threat,” the neocons and their liberal-hawk sidekicks, who include much of the mainstream U.S. news media, can guarantee bigger military budgets from Congress. The hype also sets in motion a blocking maneuver to impinge on any significant change in direction for U.S. foreign policy under Trump.

– From the post: Who Benefits from War with Russia?

One of the main reasons I opposed Hillary Clinton so vehemently, was I felt she embodied the neocon, neoliberal, military-intelligence-indsutrial complex’s burning desire for a global confrontation with Russia, as well as continued disastrous imperial adventures all over the world. Many of us hoped that with her loss, cooler heads would prevail and the American public might receive a much needed respite from never-ending war. This has not happened.

If anything, those in the Hillary camp have become even more aggressive and unhinged in their bloodlust, and appear willing to do “whatever it takes” to start a fight that will result in unimaginable devastation for the American public. This has become such an overwhelming concern to me, I felt the need to discuss what those of us who wish to avoid this outcome must do.
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To neocons and neo liberals, war is "economic stimulus" AND a way to distract the voters while they fill their pockets with tax dollars funneled to them from the companies who benefit from war. And as far as preventing it goes, well.....good luck with that. Having said that, I don't advocate turning our backs on either Russia or China.....
 
Denny Crane said:
The article I posted talked about how one hacker group stole $100M from several banks.
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I didn't see which bank or where it was identified. There are some banks in the world that don't run the secure stuff and I sure would know all of them.
But the one's that do, like B of A, Security, Lloyd's Society General, Morgan.. I doubt they get hacked. Their customers with online access may get hacked and there by provide a portal to an account can happen, but whole sale access to vault sure would be hard.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
To neocons and neo liberals, war is "economic stimulus" AND a way to distract the voters while they fill their pockets with tax dollars funneled to them from the companies who benefit from war. And as far as preventing it goes, well.....good luck with that. Having said that, I don't advocate turning our backs on either Russia or China.....
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A wise man once said, "trust but verify."

Once the USSR fell, he stopped calling them an evil empire.

Guess what? The USSR has still fallen.

Russia has indeed been troublesome for us, but our paths haven't really crossed. They have their own internal terrorism issues and we've meddled in those. Long before terrorism was such a big problem for us.

They used their veto in the UN to block taking out Saddam as an international matter. So did China.

China holds a lot of our debt. We're already at a huge disadvantage right there. Thanks Obama.

I find it hard to get all bent out of shape about them spying on us because we do the same.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-spy-net-on-israel-snares-congress-1451425210
(US caught spying on France, Germany, Israel, and others)

How about WaPost?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...h-elections-elsewhere/?utm_term=.35a11ba19c7c

The long history of the U.S. interfering with elections elsewhere

Maybe we could start by offering to stop spying on each other.

I'd rather have peace than the alternative.
 
MarAzul said:
I didn't see which bank or where it was identified. There are some banks in the world that don't run the secure stuff and I sure would know all of them.
But the one's that do, like B of A, Security, Lloyd's Society General, Morgan.. I doubt they get hacked. Their customers with online access may get hacked and there by provide a portal to an account can happen, but whole sale access to vault sure would be hard.
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http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/28/technology/security/bank-hack/

Hackers have managed to break into 7 of the top 15 banks.

Here's what you need to know.


What happened?

Some of the biggest banks -- including JPMorgan Chase (JPM) -- were recently hacked. The attackers used never-before-seen malware to break into the banks' computer systems, according to someone with direct knowledge of the investigation. And the hackers got in deep enough to delete or manipulate bank records.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/28/technology/security/bank-hack/

Hackers have managed to break into 7 of the top 15 banks.

Here's what you need to know.


What happened?

Some of the biggest banks -- including JPMorgan Chase (JPM) -- were recently hacked. The attackers used never-before-seen malware to break into the banks' computer systems, according to someone with direct knowledge of the investigation. And the hackers got in deep enough to delete or manipulate bank records.
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Well, I can't tell from this article what happened, but it sounds like access was acquire via customer portals where the customers were hacked.
Funny, I know B of A runs my system on the back end and not hacked. Now what the hell is Morgan spending millions on to prevent it? The say they have been but how?
Something not straight up here.
 
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