CIA: Russia influenced the election

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Well if they continue to withhold this supposed boatload of evidence for much longer, my assessment will be that they are lying as well. Why they would lie, I don't know.

Well, you ought to think about it. Individuals lie for all sorts of reasons, but I'd guess it's pretty rare for a large group of people to agree to lie about something without any reason whatsoever.

My prediction is they continue to jerk the public around for a couple more weeks until Trump takes office, then the current administration can duck out without having to prove shit, and the whole thing fizzles out into the nothingness it always was.

If it is all a big conspiracy cooked up by Trump's many enemies, aka the butt hurt, as has been alleged, then wouldn't Trump want to immediately reveal the actual facts when he takes office?

barfo
 
Well, you ought to think about it. Individuals lie for all sorts of reasons, but I'd guess it's pretty rare for a large group of people to agree to lie about something without any reason whatsoever.



If it is all a big conspiracy cooked up by Trump's many enemies, aka the butt hurt, as has been alleged, then wouldn't Trump want to immediately reveal the actual facts when he takes office?

barfo

You've once again managed to build a narrative on my behalf. You are debunking claims I never even made. They're called strawman arguments. You are basically arguing with a made up character (not me) who's statements you came up with yourself. All your points are fair enough but who are you responding to?
 
You've once again managed to build a narrative on my behalf. You are debunking claims I never even made. They're called strawman arguments. You are basically arguing with a made up character (not me) who's statements you came up with yourself. All your points are fair enough but who are you responding to?

Uhm, no, that's not what I'm doing.

I suggested you think about why a conspiracy that you say you might be inclined to believe in would happen, and I asked why the conspiracy would fade away when Trump takes office, given that he would have reasons to expose it.

You said you'd be inclined to believe they were lying, but you didn't know why they would.
You predicted that the issue would fade away after Trump takes office.

I merely questioned those statements of yours. If you didn't mean to say those things, then you can retract them if you like.

barfo
 
barfo given yet another lesson in logic.
 
I've found claimed evidence outside of the government's reports, but it is still dubious. The government reports still contain absolutely zero evidence linking any leak or theft of emails back to Putin.

The virus identified by the company that the DNC HIRED (hired to say whatever the DNC wants, so beware) is based upon an application written by a Chinese company in the early 2000s. The security company was able to download the source code to the virus - hence anyone was able. The source code to the virus has been available online for anyone to download and compile.

I do believe Russian hackers use this virus (X-Agent) but I do believe it's origin and use are impossible to attribute solely to them.

I repeat, the source code was freely available online for anyone to download, compile, and I'll add: modify to suit the needs of hackers.

The virus was compiled on a linux system with the language set to Russian. But it's only circumstantial evidenced of any link to the government there or to Putin. Anyone with access to the source code could have compiled it. It could have been compiled on a server in Russia that was hacked by an American hacker. And not all Russians who hack are at all involved with the Russian government - for example, there are Ukrainian hackers who target the Russian government all the time.

It's also important to note that this virus is suited for email phishing schemes, not for the attack that succeeded against the DNC server. It has the functionality to act as a client application to fetch email (as Podesta or the user who's been hacked) only, iterate through the company directory (LDAP, if you understand me), and so on. The original chinese company's software is remarkable in its range of capabilities for such a small footprint (less than 2MB in size, compiled).

The spear phishing attack that Podesta (or his secretary, associate, whoever) fell for was tracked back to a single btly account. That is a service that shortens URLs, giving you a new short URL that links to a much longer one. So you can use on Twitter without using up your 140 characters as fast. Shortening a URL with .ru domains would obfuscate that the user would be viewing a page on a server in Russia (or Poland or Maryland).

This btly account was not password protected, and contained 4000+ links apparently targeted toward the DNC, DNC actors, and US government agencies. The claim is that this limited and focused list of targeted email addresses implies a specific interest by only the Russians (well, any foreign intelligence agency for that matter).

What's left unsaid is why not password protected, how they know these were solely targeted at specific emails, and if there were a 2nd, 3rd ... hundredth other btly account with more links that might have been served (sent by email) to completely unrelated people.

Not password protected is something a serious hacker would not do if it left a true trail that could lead back to the hacker. Rather, these btly accounts could be created by automatic means by the hundreds or thousands if need be. This makes much more sense. The specific 4000+ links and emails these were sent to seem consistent with what I suggested earlier - the virus went through the contact list of Podesta or someone who had Podesta in his/her contact list, generating a btly link for each one.

Some of the linkage to the Russian government is historical patterns of attack. I'm not sure how previous attacks were attributed to the Russian government in the first place, so this linkage needs to be substantiated to have any relevance at all. This specific virus has been identified by typical malware detection programs (e.g. your Norton, Windows, whatever antivirus software) for quite a while, indicating that all sorts of people have receive the virus.

In fact, I received a phishing email from a friend. I deleted the email and emailed him to let him know he was hacked. I don't work for the government or the DNC.

He then sent this email to his entire contact list:

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WaPost (or was it NYTimes) ran a story yesterday saying new evidence has come to light further connecting these hacks to Putin. The evidence was intercepted emails showing the Russians were happy Trump won. Sorry, but there are billions of people who are happy Trump won and these celebratory emails were not damning at all. If they said, "our hacks worked!" it would be an admission of guilt and I'd agree Russia was involved.

There is other evidence that the security company claims as truth that does not appear to be truth. For example, they claim this virus is nearly identical to one deployed by the Russian government as an android app/virus. The purpose of that virus is to provide position information of Russian tanks and troops and so on. Turns out this android app/virus had none of the capabilities the security company claimed (such as GPS).

Another very important point: The DNC refused to allow the FBI access to the infected server and client machines. This alone raises a big red flag. Why not? And if the government had no access, how can they be certain the hack happened as was claimed?

I repeat that the government has provided no hard evidence of linkage to Russia or Putin. They don't have to produce everything they have, but even one convincing bit would lend them any credibility at all.

Plus, even if the Russian government hacked Podesta and the DNC and Hillary's server and every Democrat in the country, there's no evidence they were the source of information released through WikiLeaks. Any person with access to the machine and a USB drive could have copied all the files and delivered to WikiLeaks (through a 3rd party or whatever).
 
All that said, the information released by WikiLeaks has not been claimed to be falsified or otherwise not the real deal.

It is unfortunate that democrats believe the Truth did them in and that the only way they rightly could have won is by doing all the bad things the emails showed and hiding it.
 
Also, it's stunning how moronic the DNC was. They ran a Windows network, which is a giant risk for being hacked in the first place. If they had simply used commercial Gmail service, it is unlikely the entirety of the emails sent through Google would have been hacked or able to be copied to a thumb drive.
 
In what way am I exaggerating his position? He says he assumes that the government is lying to us.

His assumption is that there is a massive conspiracy aimed at blaming the Russians, for reasons he can't quite explain, but that somehow involve 'butt hurt'.
barfo

Uh...

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/312162-nearing-exit-obama-seeks-to-tie-trumps-hands

Nearing exit, Obama seeks to tie Trump's hands

President Obama has taken a number of unilateral actions in the waning days of his tenure that appear designed to box in President-elect Donald Trump.

Obama's decision Thursday to sanction Russian entities for election-related hacking is just the latest obstacle he has placed in Trump's way.
 
All that said, the information released by WikiLeaks has not been claimed to be falsified or otherwise not the real deal.

It is unfortunate that democrats believe the Truth did them in and that the only way they rightly could have won is by doing all the bad things the emails showed and hiding it.

This is what it all boils down to. All the details, at this point, are hyperbolic smoke and mirrors intended to obscure that VERY simple fact. The proverbial "swamp" in action. Smear the discussion with so many trivial and irrelevant details the public has no chance of trudging through the filth to get to the truth. Denny good work on trying to sift through the details. It's like cleaning a muddy tank with a q-tip. You have more patience than I do.
 
The DNC refused to allow the FBI access to the infected server and client machines. This alone raises a big red flag. Why not? And if the government had no access, how can they be certain the hack happened as was claimed?

His name was Seth Rich.... (look that up..) Nice summary btw. I knew they still did not have real evidence. Eric Braverman is still missing too.

It is unfortunate that democrats believe the Truth did them in and that the only way they rightly could have won is by doing all the bad things the emails showed and hiding it.
Agree 100%. DNC proved they were corrupt shitbags. Thankfully we all know now.


@Denny Crane Not sure if you've seen this... http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article110904727.html
 
As far as Assange goes, he's been accused of being a public school teacher, I mean pedophile.

It's possible he is.

It's also possible the charges are trumped up (no pun intended) as were the charges against the guy who posted the YouTube video that Hillary lied about, saying it was the cause of an uprising against the embassy at Benghazi.
 
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#MAGA
 
F***ing Russians. I hate how they forced Secretary Clinton not to send Special Forces to Benghazi, to set up her own private e-mail server, to call a huge chunk of what was the Democratic base "deplorable", and to spend most of her time fundraising in California and New York instead of campaigning in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hate how they made John Podesta make his password "Password" and send them all his personal information. Bastards!

Bottom line, she was dealt a royal flush and still managed to lose to the most vulnerable candidate either party has fielded in generations. Instead of being introspective about why she and the Democrats lost, they're blaming a country for doing the same thing we do to almost every other country ourselves. Hilarious.
 
F***ing Russians. I hate how they forced Secretary Clinton not to send Special Forces to Benghazi, to set up her own private e-mail server, to call a huge chunk of what was the Democratic base "deplorable", and to spend most of her time fundraising in California and New York instead of campaigning in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hate how they made John Podesta make his password "Password" and send them all his personal information. Bastards!

Bottom line, she was dealt a royal flush and still managed to lose to the most vulnerable candidate either party has fielded in generations. Instead of being introspective about why she and the Democrats lost, they're blaming a country for doing the same thing we do to almost every other country ourselves. Hilarious.

Drops mic
 
F***ing Russians. I hate how they forced Secretary Clinton not to send Special Forces to Benghazi, to set up her own private e-mail server, to call a huge chunk of what was the Democratic base "deplorable", and to spend most of her time fundraising in California and New York instead of campaigning in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hate how they made John Podesta make his password "Password" and send them all his personal information. Bastards!

Bottom line, she was dealt a royal flush and still managed to lose to the most vulnerable candidate either party has fielded in generations. Instead of being introspective about why she and the Democrats lost, they're blaming a country for doing the same thing we do to almost every other country ourselves. Hilarious.

It is a bit ironic when Obama tried to influence the Israeli elections. When China actually hacked into myriads of Social Security data, defense info etc....where is the outrage or retaliation for that?
 
It is a bit ironic when Obama tried to influence the Israeli elections. When China actually hacked into myriads of Social Security data, defense info etc....where is the outrage or retaliation for that?

Stop it. You're making too much sense.
 
F***ing Russians. I hate how they forced Secretary Clinton not to send Special Forces to Benghazi, to set up her own private e-mail server, to call a huge chunk of what was the Democratic base "deplorable", and to spend most of her time fundraising in California and New York instead of campaigning in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. I hate how they made John Podesta make his password "Password" and send them all his personal information. Bastards!

Bottom line, she was dealt a royal flush and still managed to lose to the most vulnerable candidate either party has fielded in generations. Instead of being introspective about why she and the Democrats lost, they're blaming a country for doing the same thing we do to almost every other country ourselves. Hilarious.

It is a bit ironic when Obama tried to influence the Israeli elections. When China actually hacked into myriads of Social Security data, defense info etc....where is the outrage or retaliation for that?

Democrats would consider that 'land of make believe', or maybe they were too busy watching Hollywood and missed this.
 
Julian Assange just did an AMA on Reddit and walked back Russia not being involved in the hacks.

He also said the idiots running the Wikileaks sub forum are full of shit.

Interesting AMA.
 
Julian Assange just did an AMA on Reddit and walked back Russia not being involved in the hacks.

He also said the idiots running the Wikileaks sub forum are full of shit.

Interesting AMA.
There were some POINTED questions.
 

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