CJ from the Bench?

[Further]

Uts hard to have Dame and CJ both play crap D, but Lillard in game 1 showed he’s not going to be s liability anymore (hopefully). If Dame is strong on D we can hide CJ’s D.

 

[dviss1]

The line up Dame-Et-Moe-Aminu-Nurk was really good and is probably our best defensive line up. We know Dame and Cj are really good on Offense, but they can't coexist on defense. So maybe starting Turner along side Dame in the backcourt, and cj coming from the bench and lead the Second Unit could be better for the Team?

See this is why we need a post/like limit on starting threads. LOL. Answer me this rook, did they coexist on defense during the preseason?

Where are you getting this "forgone conclusion" that they can't coexist? The jury is still out and we played preseason D.

We haven't seen how they play defense THIS regular season.

Again, drawing conclusions based upon playing this JV team is ludicrous.

 

[dviss1]

Uts hard to have Dame and CJ both play crap D, but Lillard in game 1 showed he’s not going to be s liability anymore (hopefully). If Dame is strong on D we can hide CJ’s D.

Dame's D was excellent last night.

 

[Further]

Dame's D was excellent last night.

3 blocks

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Didn't the NBA suspend CJ for coming off the bench?

 

[dviss1]

CJ is our BEST scorer in the 1st quarter and Y'all want him to come off the bench.

G.
T.
F.
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[dviss1]

Didn't the NBA suspend CJ for coming off the bench?

 

[BrianFromWA]

CJ's was pretty on point at the end of last year...let's just see what happens. I don't remember getting lit up in preseason.

 

[Schilly]

The other is a glorified 6th man who can't shoot. I think you're overstating ET's defense.

He's leading the league in 3pt % this season.

 

[Further]

Didn't the NBA suspend CJ for coming off the bench?

I hate complimenting you, but that was funny

 

[Boob-No-More]

Typical one game sample size overreaction. How 'bout we actually see a few games against some real NBA competition before we decide to move one of the top 5 shooting guards in the league to the bench?

Of course our starters shut down the Suns' offense. They are the Phoenix Absolutely Fucking Terrible Suns for fuck's sake. Half the teams in the NCAA Top 25 could shut them down (see, I can overreact too, yay me!).

Last year, C.J. was actually a better defender than Dame. Dame has shown improvement and a new dedication to playing defense. Why is it a given that C.J. can't, and won't, do the same? It sure gets a lot easier to defend the perimeter when you have a beast like Nurk backing you up.

Go back and look at how much better our team defense was with Nurk than without him last season. While you're at it, also look at how our team 3-point shooting, including C.J.'s, got so much better with Nurk. Players get more open 3-pointers with Nurk on the floor. Ask yourself this, who would you rather have taking those open 3-pointers, C.J. McCollum or Evan Turner?

Turner is a terrible 3-point shooter, who is also perfectly capable of creating for himself (mid range game and drives to the basket) and others. He is also a much better defender than C.J. In short, Turner can be Turner without playing with Nurk. He doesn't benefit from Nurk collapsing the defense and creating open 3-pointers and he doesn't need Nurk to have his back to be a plus defender. C.J. benefits much more from the Nurk Effect that Turner does. Therefore, I want C.J. playing as many minutes as possible with Nurk, and that means as long as Nurk is starting, C.J. should be starting, too.

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

The line up Dame-Et-Moe-Aminu-Nurk was really good and is probably our best defensive line up. We know Dame and Cj are really good on Offense, but they can't coexist on defense. So maybe starting Turner along side Dame in the backcourt, and cj coming from the bench and lead the Second Unit could be better for the Team?

I have questions for you:
1.) Do you want CJ or Dame playing less minutes?
2.) Did you not see Dame playing improved defense yesterday? They can coexist with a defensive frontcourt.
3.) Do you not think that we could use that lineup in the latter part of the 1st/3rd Qs and the earlier part of the 2nd/4th??

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The line up Dame-Et-Moe-Aminu-Nurk was really good and is probably our best defensive line up. We know Dame and Cj are really good on Offense, but they can't coexist on defense. So maybe starting Turner along side Dame in the backcourt, and cj coming from the bench and lead the Second Unit could be better for the Team?

Welcome to RipCityTwo. Don't let some of these guys bother you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I hate you.

So does Denny.

 

[BonesJones]

Most NBA stars get really pissy about coming off the bench. Guys like Rasheed are rare. And since both Damian and CJ are going to play at least 3 full quarters, you can only separate them by a max of 12 minutes. And that can come throughout the game, it doesn't need to happen all in the 1st quarter, and risk pissing off CJ.

Exactly.

CJ plays 18min a half (so he rests 6). There's no point to not start him and then bring him in 3 minutes into the game. That's the same as starting him.

So everyone who suggests to bring CJ off the bench is either suggesting to play him less or suggesting to play him 18 minutes straight to end each half. Both are horrible ideas.

 

[dviss1]

Dude, it is pretty freaking clear. One of them is a borderline all star in the loaded western conference who nearly had a 50/40/90 season.

The other is a glorified 6th man who can't shoot. I think you're overstating ET's defense.

No. Turner played excellent D last night and has been doing the same thing in preseason.

When Nurk got his first block it was because of Turner's D. Between Turner, Mo, and Aminu, we have some great OTB defenders.

 

[Denny Crane]

Exactly.

CJ plays 18min a half (so he rests 6). There's no point to not start him and then bring him in 3 minutes into the game. That's the same as starting him.

So everyone who suggests to bring CJ off the bench is either suggesting to play him less or suggesting to play him 18 minutes straight to end each half. Both are horrible ideas.

How about...

play Dame less minutes, or play 3 guards,

or ... (there are other possibilities)

 

[BonesJones]

How about...

play Dame less minutes, or play 3 guards,

or ... (there are other possibilities)

How can you keep CJs minutes (36min) bringing him off the bench at the 6min mark in the 1Q/3Q and not play him 18 minutes to end the half by playing Dame less, or playing 3 guards?

 

[GrandJury]

Funny when Cj is actually a better defender than Dame. So why not have Dame off the bench ?

 

[BonesJones]

Plus, Turner off the bench allows us to avoid a Dame/CJ/Connaugton lineup.

I don't want to see Pat play SF at all this year. He's too small for that.

 

[Denny Crane]

How can you keep CJs minutes (36min) bringing him off the bench at the 6min mark in the 1Q/3Q and not play him 18 minutes to end the half by playing Dame less, or playing 3 guards?

Maybe we play both CJ and Dame less. Why do we need to play him more?

Klay Thompson averaged 34 minutes last season, Curry only 33.4, Green 32.5, and Durant 33.4.

A few minutes extra rest could mean a lot more effort (on defense especially) can be expended.

We're so deep at all the positions right now and it's not clear we need to play our stars max minutes.

 

[BonesJones]

Maybe we play both CJ and Dame less. Why do we need to play him more?

Klay Thompson averaged 34 minutes last season, Curry only 33.4, Green 32.5, and Durant 33.4.

A few minutes extra rest could mean a lot more effort (on defense especially) can be expended.

We're so deep at all the positions right now and it's not clear we need to play our stars max minutes.

You do realize those guys minutes are that low because they blow out a lot of teams, right?

The less CJ and Dame are on the court, the bigger chance we have of losing. 36min is ideal. Planning for less than that is a losing strategy.

 

[Denny Crane]

You do realize those guys minutes are that low because they blow out a lot of teams, right?

The less CJ and Dame are on the court, the bigger chance we have of losing. 36min is ideal. Planning for less than that is a losing strategy.

GSW is rather famous for playing their stars less minutes in principle. Not because of blowouts.

Plus, I think we'll have our share this season. It's going to be a fun team to watch.

 

[dviss1]

How about...

play Dame less minutes, or play 3 guards,

or ... (there are other possibilities)

What the hell are you people talking about????

We just smashed a G league team... WITHOUT CJ... Dame played sparingly and Nurk got a double double and 2 blocks.

Edit: On another note, WTF?? WE all saw that block that Nurk sent out of bounds right? How come they didn't register it here??

http://www.nba.com/games/20171018/PORPHX#/boxscore

 

[Boob-No-More]

Maybe we play both CJ and Dame less. Why do we need to play him more?

Klay Thompson averaged 34 minutes last season, Curry only 33.4, Green 32.5, and Durant 33.4.

A few minutes extra rest could mean a lot more effort (on defense especially) can be expended.

We're so deep at all the positions right now and it's not clear we need to play our stars max minutes.

When we consistently start blowing teams out (not just PHO) like the Warriors do, I'm sure our starters will see fewer minutes. It's pretty easy to rest your stars in the 4th quarter when you have an average margin of victory of +11.6 ppg. Not so much when your average margin is -0.6 ppg.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

GSW is rather famous for playing their stars less minutes in principle. Not because of blowouts.

They are also rather famous for having more stars than anyone else. It's easy to rest a star when you still have three more in the game. We're not there yet.

BNM

 

[Denny Crane]

FWIW

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/14/4385776/

Steve Kerr and the Warriors’ stars diligent in their reduced minutes approach

Sports science has advanced since then. There is player tracking for games and practices. Teams prioritize rest better and trainers advise keeping a player’s minutes in the 35ish per game range. The league’s most-used players average near 38 per night — right around what LeBron is pushing — instead of logging 41 or 42.

But the careful teams try to keep their main guys in the 34 per game range. Golden State is one of the league’s most diligent, given the benefit of depth and a large number of fourth-quarter blowouts. The Warriors don’t have a player in the top 29 in minutes per game. Klay Thompson, 30th in the NBA at 34.2, leads the team.

“Mentally and physically you’re still exerting yourself in those minutes. I’m exhausted right now,” Curry said after a recent game. “But over the course of the season, you hope taking care of business, protecting leads, the amount of fourth quarters starters have missed for good reasons will help us down the road and keep us fresh for the playoffs.”

Curry averaged 38.2 and 36.5 minutes per game in Mark Jackson’s last two seasons. Kerr arrived, the team exploded, Curry won two MVPs and they were able to reduce his per game load to 32.7 and 34.2 the past two years. He’s at 33.5 per game this season, behind older players such as Carmelo Anthony (34.0) and Paul Millsap (34.3), just ahead of teammate Green (33.3 per, 42nd in the league).

“I think it’s made a difference,” Kerr said. “But then you look at last year and Steph averaged 33 per game and then got hurt in the first game of the playoffs and it knocked him back a bit. (Andrew) Bogut got hurt. But you’d like to think the cumulative effect of playing guys fewer minutes will keep guys fresh, but you never know. I do think playing guys 34 instead of 38 over the course of the year will keep our guys fresher than they would’ve been otherwise.”

 

[andalusian]

When we consistently start blowing teams out (not just PHO) like the Warriors do, I'm sure our starters will see fewer minutes. It's pretty easy to rest your stars in the 4th quarter when you have an average margin of victory of +11.6 ppg. Not so much when your average margin is -0.6 ppg.

Our margin of victory this year is so high +48 - that we rested CJ for all 4 quarters!

 

[Denny Crane]

They are also rather famous for having more stars than anyone else. It's easy to rest a star when you still have three more in the game. We're not there yet.

BNM

See my previous post. He reduced his stars minutes starting in Kerr's first season.

2014-15

 

[PtldPlatypus]

See my previous post. He reduced his stars minutes starting in Kerr's first season.

2014-15

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They were also 67-15, with a 10.1 point differential.



Chicken or egg. Did he play less minutes because they were "diligent" about it, or were they able to be diligent about it because they were blowing teams out? I'd posit the latter.